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yorkshire cup final 2015 - Event Date: 21 May 2015

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    Posted: 21 May 2015 at 19:03
according to the wharfedale website the harrogate player who injured  the wharfedale  number 9  and  ended his game for the night  has been suspended for 15 weeks  and can resume playing  in december  it begs the question if the  punishment is so high then what the hell was the ref doing  only giving him a yellow when he cant have been more than  10 feet from the incident   on the night it should have been a straight red 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2015 at 19:38
The referee was following the play. This happened behind his back but in front of the TJ who informed him it was only a yellow. 
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I think most people were following the play and therefore missed it by quite a while.
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Although I wasn't at the game to see the incident, it does sound as if an appropriate punishment has been implemented. It would however be a shame if the incident were to characterise the two clubs as saints v sinners.
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Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

according to the wharfedale website the harrogate player who injured  the wharfedale  number 9  and  ended his game for the night  has been suspended for 15 weeks  and can resume playing  in december  it begs the question if the  punishment is so high then what the hell was the ref doing  only giving him a yellow when he cant have been more than  10 feet from the incident   on the night it should have been a straight red 


The ref was poor all evening. Not in favour of one team or the other, but was lacking control throughout the whole game. He made a lot of strange decisions at the scrum and breakdown and in my opinion was out of his depth for a game like this.
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Originally posted by Green Coalition Green Coalition wrote:

Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

according to the wharfedale website the harrogate player who injured  the wharfedale  number 9  and  ended his game for the night  has been suspended for 15 weeks  and can resume playing  in december  it begs the question if the  punishment is so high then what the hell was the ref doing  only giving him a yellow when he cant have been more than  10 feet from the incident   on the night it should have been a straight red 


The ref was poor all evening. Not in favour of one team or the other, but was lacking control throughout the whole game. He made a lot of strange decisions at the scrum and breakdown and in my opinion was out of his depth for a game like this.

I disagree. He's one of the best Referees I've seen all season and due to my ground hopping I've seen him many times and he's not had one bad game.  Was he let down by his TJs on this incident, which did change the cause of the game?
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Green Coalition Green Coalition wrote:

Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

according to the wharfedale website the harrogate player who injured  the wharfedale  number 9  and  ended his game for the night  has been suspended for 15 weeks  and can resume playing  in december  it begs the question if the  punishment is so high then what the hell was the ref doing  only giving him a yellow when he cant have been more than  10 feet from the incident   on the night it should have been a straight red 


The ref was poor all evening. Not in favour of one team or the other, but was lacking control throughout the whole game. He made a lot of strange decisions at the scrum and breakdown and in my opinion was out of his depth for a game like this.


I disagree. He's one of the best Referees I've seen all season and due to my ground hopping I've seen him many times and he's not had one bad game.  Was he let down by his TJs on this incident, which did change the cause of the game?


We'll perhaps have to agree to disagree on this one Richard.

Do I think this particular decision changed the game - yes.

Do I think Harrogate deserved to win from the performance on the evening - yes.

It is a shame however that 'Dale were prevented from playing their game by this incident .

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I think the act and the subsequent injury to James Doherty, one that could have been far worse, is the real issue here. 15 weeks is a VERY long ban which must surely have reflectted the gravity of the foul play as viewed by the disciplinary hearing. The game is tough enough without incidents like this.
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For the benefit of those who weren't there (incl myself), could somebody who was there describe what the incident was please?
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The panels / citing descriptions view

http://www.wharfedalerufc.co.uk/?p=19281
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Some may think Doherty has had a bit of come uppance
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as usual, there are lots of opinions on here!
15 weeks is indeed a very long sentence, and reflects the seriousness of the offence, and takes into account the previous record of the offender, it also reflects the player denying the offence etc.....
most people who saw the offence on the night felt that it should have been a red card, and the disciplinary process bears this out.
The tackle was very late, and dangerous, and the Referee clearly didn`t see it, so he had to rely upon the report from his assistant, so the result was a yellow card.....
The Referee was of the appropriate level to take charge of the match, but of course, things change in rugby matches, and circumstances are fluid and dynamic.. the A/R`s were not used to operating in this environment, with a large partisan crowd, and it seems that on this occasion it went badly wrong... Yorkshire have a long standing policy of appointing Referees to cup finals, which on the whole has worked well, but having inexperienced A/R`s on the lines is a weak link in the chain, Yorkshire has several high ranking A/R`s operating at National league level and above, and maybe it is now time to appoint them to these matches..?
oh... and here is my opinion!.... It should definitely have been a straight red card, Wharfedale were all over Harrogate up to this point, and it certainly changed the tempo of the match, whether or not it altered the outcome of the match, we`ll never know, but it was only luck which prevented a possibly catastrophic injury to the player.
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Originally posted by mightypen mightypen wrote:

Some may think Doherty has had a bit of come uppance
James is a feisty player, one you want on your side. You can rule me out from that sad group.  
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ref's and assistants make mistakes and it would seem the panel has done its job here. No real need to comment further.

However, to suggest a player 'had it coming to him' shows a real lack of class. How can anything justify a lad being deliberately dropped on his head? What else would he deserve? a kick to the face? fingers in his eyes? What a ridiculous comment.
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HMH - have a cigar. Dohers does what scrum halves do, must be really irritating to play against but is a star off the pitch and a very good leader. To say that he got his comeuppance is a disgrace.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ste Vo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2015 at 19:41
I remember the crying from Caldy when one of their lads nearly took a spear tackle vs Stourbridge.

Now, the very man who sent me a slow motion video of it decides it's ok if the recipient is a bit mouthy.

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He wont be playing for Yorkshire tomorrow against Lancashire then (or for anyone for a long time !) 
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I have to say I knew the Harrogate lad and his family when he played for Yorks U20's and went all the way to Twickenham so I find what happened a bit out of character.
There are players who although they do not physically abuse the opposition abuse them verbally and some Referees don't do anything about it.
In my day teams had an enforcer who sorted this nonsense out without the referee being aware of it.
These days with cameras and Ass't Refs that is not possible.
I wasn't there and it sounds like this lad took it too far,but after only getting a yellow from the Ref ,15 weeks sounds rather harsh.
Anyway sounds like Yorkshire will be looking for a replacement tomorrow.
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Originally posted by mightypen mightypen wrote:

Some may think Doherty has had a bit of come uppance


is that due to getting your boy sent off at wharfedale weak biro   didnt vernon get sent off against blaydon for a spear/ tip tackle  too  straight red  suppose that  victim got his come uppance  as well  Angry


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Don't get wound up to the post it's just more meaningless spiteful drivel from someone who is without doubt, meaningless

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