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When I started playing rugby at school you were taught to tackle at the waist and slide down the legs or at the legs.

When I watch now I see some really poor tackling techniques (led by the England captain!) and wonder if they were ever taught how to tackle.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Dad Dad wrote:

why try waist high when they abandoned the nipple height rule trial last year early due to increased concussions to the tackler ?


Why not go the whole hog and ban tackling altogether?

Waist high tackling means the ball carrier can off load at ever tackle.

In essence, just turn it into a moving version of what they do in the lesser code after every tackle. Rucks will be even rarer. That is the one trial I hope they never ever bring in because you can still get hurt tackling below the waist, particularly in the community game and sometimes chest high tackles are safer.
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Reducing the number of replacements it essential. It will stop the arms race of players getting bigger and stop collisions between fatigued players and fresh 120 kg players on for the last 20 minutes. 

Even better would be injury only replacements . . that would lead to far more open games and leaner fitter players.

Then there would be no need for the 5 / 22 idea!
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Dad Dad wrote:

why try waist high when they abandoned the nipple height rule trial last year early due to increased concussions to the tackler ?


Why not go the whole hog and ban tackling altogether?

Waist high tackling means the ball carrier can off load at ever tackle.


In essence, just turn it into a moving version of what they do in the lesser code after every tackle. Rucks will be even rarer. That is the one trial I hope they never ever bring in because you can still get hurt tackling below the waist, particularly in the community game and sometimes chest high tackles are safer.


Why does it matter if the ball can be offloaded at every tackle? Truly skillful players would surely look to offload marginally before contact wouldn’t they as it reduces the margin for error?

You can get hurt in rugby, end of. Aren’t head on head collisions the most dangerous as it affects both in players? To me shoulder on chest tackles almost ask for this to happen and tackling technique in the modern game can be pretty poor.

RL is just different, neither “lesser” nor “greater”.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Aug 2019 at 08:28
Richard L remembers the golden age but a brief study of this forum emphasises how things have changed - IMHO the reason people tackle high is to stoo the quick release and the Eng captain used this a lot at IC because he wss often faced with a potentisl overlap.

On another topic I note references to the lesser code - at the risk of repeating myself RL emetged from the Northern Union who subsequently made changes to speed up the game leading to what is now RL.
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When is a high tackle a high tackle if a player wraps his arms around you to prevent you off loading with no attempt to tackle you is that illegal or a maul?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote billesleyexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Aug 2019 at 15:41
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

When I started playing rugby at school you were taught to tackle at the waist and slide down the legs or at the legs.

Exactly how we were taught at school in the 1990s by one of the greatest Moseley (and Cov, in fairness) players never to play for England - Derek Everest.


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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

When is a high tackle a high tackle if a player wraps his arms around you to prevent you off loading with no attempt to tackle you is that illegal or a maul?
It’s a tackle. There is no requirement to bring the player to the ground.
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So effectively you cannot touch a player above their waist how then do you bring down a player running at you with his head down and what about coming into rucks against a player binding on can you push him backwards with your arms?
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Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Dad Dad wrote:

why try waist high when they abandoned the nipple height rule trial last year early due to increased concussions to the tackler ?


Why not go the whole hog and ban tackling altogether?

Waist high tackling means the ball carrier can off load at ever tackle.


In essence, just turn it into a moving version of what they do in the lesser code after every tackle. Rucks will be even rarer. That is the one trial I hope they never ever bring in because you can still get hurt tackling below the waist, particularly in the community game and sometimes chest high tackles are safer.


Why does it matter if the ball can be offloaded at every tackle? Truly skillful players would surely look to offload marginally before contact wouldn’t they as it reduces the margin for error?

You can get hurt in rugby, end of. Aren’t head on head collisions the most dangerous as it affects both in players? To me shoulder on chest tackles almost ask for this to happen and tackling technique in the modern game can be pretty poor.

RL is just different, neither “lesser” nor “greater”.



A head hitting a chest in a tackle is much safer than a head hitting a knee in my opinion.

Reducing the height of the tackle area didn't work in the trial in last year's championship cup so why would this work?

I do agree with the idea of reducing the number of subs - 5 is ample with at least 2 being proficient front rowers.

Currently over half the side can be changed, this leaves players to be able to bulk up knowing tgey will only play around 50 minutes at most. It is this bulking up that has increased the injutpry numbers.
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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

So effectively you cannot touch a player above their waist how then do you bring down a player running at you with his head down and what about coming into rucks against a player binding on can you push him backwards with your arms?


A technicality, as there will be very few rucks. This is almost rugby league - I don't know but I suspect the driving force for the changes is coming from the Southern Hemisphere (especially Australia) - previously they have made suggestions which would de-power the scrum - League is better supported in Oz, are they trying to catch up in popularity at the expense of our great game?



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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Dad Dad wrote:

why try waist high when they abandoned the nipple height rule trial last year early due to increased concussions to the tackler ?


Why not go the whole hog and ban tackling altogether?

Waist high tackling means the ball carrier can off load at ever tackle.


In essence, just turn it into a moving version of what they do in the lesser code after every tackle. Rucks will be even rarer. That is the one trial I hope they never ever bring in because you can still get hurt tackling below the waist, particularly in the community game and sometimes chest high tackles are safer.


Why does it matter if the ball can be offloaded at every tackle? Truly skillful players would surely look to offload marginally before contact wouldn’t they as it reduces the margin for error?

You can get hurt in rugby, end of. Aren’t head on head collisions the most dangerous as it affects both in players? To me shoulder on chest tackles almost ask for this to happen and tackling technique in the modern game can be pretty poor.

RL is just different, neither “lesser” nor “greater”.



A head hitting a chest in a tackle is much safer than a head hitting a knee in my opinion.

Reducing the height of the tackle area didn't work in the trial in last year's championship cup so why would this work?

I do agree with the idea of reducing the number of subs - 5 is ample with at least 2 being proficient front rowers.

Currently over half the side can be changed, this leaves players to be able to bulk up knowing tgey will only play around 50 minutes at most. It is this bulking up that has increased the injutpry numbers.


Sorry Raider I wasn’t entirely clear. What I meant was that a shoulder into the chest would bring the ball-carrier’s head forward and downwards, into the head of the tackler.

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Please explain the proposed new rule in the context of a maul are players usually binding onto opposition above the waist/ You cannot tackle a player in a maul around the legs does not leave much to get hold of. 
In a line out situation one of the defensive ploys is to pull the jumper down (once he has reached the floor) before his support can bind on to him this is usually done by pulling him from above the waist.
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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

Please explain the proposed new rule in the context of a maul are players usually binding onto opposition above the waist/ You cannot tackle a player in a maul around the legs does not leave much to get hold of. 
In a line out situation one of the defensive ploys is to pull the jumper down (once he has reached the floor) before his support can bind on to him this is usually done by pulling him from above the waist.

In terms of the line out one it should be around the waist for the mechanics to work properly - it’s a waistlock takedown borrowed from combat sport (at least the most efficient way!)

I’m tempted to agree in part with the tackle height thing that we’ve only seen higher tackles because people aren’t trained to tackle low - speaking to someone who’d seen Sales defence coach critique tackling (can’t remember his name) but I know he was going crazy about how there would be players going to the WC who are unable to tackle safely and correctly.
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