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    Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 11:37
Because tactical kicking and waiting for line outs are exactly what we’ve all been clamouring for. Don’t even bother trying to score close to the line either now.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 12:15
Aussie RU seem to be looking at their National Sport (RL) for ideas!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote 373 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 12:24
It reminds me of the tackle trial in the championship last year - had completely the opposite effect than the one desired.

Governing bodies need to stop looking for silver bullets and just enforce the rules they currently have properly!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Full Bodied Red Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 12:27
Why not reduce the number of players by two and de-power the scrum at the same time? After all, that's RL. Crowds falling year by year. So maybe not a good plan?
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Never understood why the furthest forward an attacking line out could go was made to be the opposition 5 yard line. A line out just before the try line was never dangerous just exciting as a jumper could go straight up and down to score.
 
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I think the trial regarding a drop out after being held up is a good idea. If the attacking team are unable to score so close to the line the defensive should be rewarded with a chance to clear.

Less convinced the other changes will be successful

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 14:55
I can see the logic behind the 50:22 kick idea. If a team needs to defend against the possibility of that kick it may well leave more space in the midfield for a running team to exploit.
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Will it though? Most teams are able to defend touchlines as the game is at present- lack of space is created by fewer numbers at the breakdown being committed in D.

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...and that's why World Rugby are trialing the changes before any implementation.  We've all got our own opinions but no one actually knows the effect or other unforeseen consequences until we've seen them in action for a significant number of games. 
My first thought is that they are both good changes - but I'll stand to be corrected after they've been trialed. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 15:58
Good gosh no! Looks like they've been copying from the much more boring lesser code. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 19:35
Originally posted by Insignificant Tick Insignificant Tick wrote:


Never understood why the furthest forward an attacking line out could go was made to be the opposition 5 yard line. A line out just before the try line was never dangerous just exciting as a jumper could go straight up and down to score.
 


Impossible to defend as you cannot touch a player in the air!
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Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

...and that's why World Rugby are trialing the changes before any implementation.  We've all got our own opinions but no one actually knows the effect or other unforeseen consequences until we've seen them in action for a significant number of games. 
My first thought is that they are both good changes - but I'll stand to be corrected after they've been trialed. 

The problem is that these changes are very easy to see through. Good majority of trys scored off lineouts so let’s make more lineouts artificially. Rather than say try to make the ruck more competitive again (banning the defence from using a boot in the ruck was daft) they are trying to take cheap shortcuts.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2019 at 01:35
Had to read the report before heading to the drinks cabinet. Instead of the 8:2:4:1 formation we'll have 8:2:2:3.

Step up professional drop kick experts. Bet we see an increase in drop goals - can't get through? Take 3 points.

As for the 50:22 rewarding aggressive kicking its clearly not a handling game any more
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2019 at 07:23
Surely if they want to reward a defending team for holding an attacker up over the line just change who the scrum5 is awarded to - 99% of the time that would have the same effect with the defenders winning the scrum and being able to clear their lines but would still allow a chance for the attackers to win against the head and have another go at the line
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2019 at 15:14
Originally posted by Dad Dad wrote:

Surely if they want to reward a defending team for holding an attacker up over the line just change who the scrum5 is awarded to - 99% of the time that would have the same effect with the defenders winning the scrum and being able to clear their lines but would still allow a chance for the attackers to win against the head and have another go at the line
 
Against the head? with the ball lobbed into the back row and hookers not actually able to do that part of the job, an unlikely scenario.
Get rid of lifting in the lineout, penalise crooked feeds to both scrum and lineout and lets have some proper rucking, that'll liven things up a bit oh and ban full backs lifting either a knee or a foot when jumping to catch a ball.
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Had to read the report before heading to the drinks cabinet. Instead of the 8:2:4:1 formation we'll have 8:2:2:3.

Step up professional drop kick experts. Bet we see an increase in drop goals - can't get through? Take 3 points.

As for the 50:22 rewarding aggressive kicking its clearly not a handling game any more


50:22 is too easy - 40:22 would be better, but too much like rugby league to be adopted
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 16:54
Quote World Rugby is also considering trials in reducing the number of replacements

I thought 5 was a sensible number it was letting internationals get to 8 that was stupid.

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and a requirement for players to move away from the ball immediately when off their feet at a ruck.


Um isn't this already in the laws

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Players on the ground must attempt to move away from the ball and must not play the ball in the ruck or as it emerges.


Ok so no immediately but given that generally means within three seconds is that a big change, and must roll away rather than must attempt - though unless hled in why would an attempt fail. And if held in there is another penalty.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 17:25
why try waist high when they abandoned the nipple height rule trial last year early due to increased concussions to the tackler ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 17:32
Originally posted by Dad Dad wrote:

why try waist high when they abandoned the nipple height rule trial last year early due to increased concussions to the tackler ?


Why not go the whole hog and ban tackling altogether?

Waist high tackling means the ball carrier can off load at ever tackle.
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