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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 17:46
Thanks for sharing, an interesting read
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 07:31
Indeed a good article. Seems that SS investment number has shrunk from the previously mention £1 Million over 3 years to a "six figure sum". Additionally where will SSW play? I'm guessing Heywood Road to keep the costs down especially as AJ Bell will be unavailable from February when Salford starting playing on Sunday's. If its Saturday at Heywood Road would they get primacy over Nat.1 Sale FC? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CJB1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 08:27
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Indeed a good article. Seems that SS investment number has shrunk from the previously mention £1 Million over 3 years to a "six figure sum". Additionally where will SSW play? I'm guessing Heywood Road to keep the costs down especially as AJ Bell will be unavailable from February when Salford starting playing on Sunday's. If its Saturday at Heywood Road would they get primacy over Nat.1 Sale FC? 
Heywood Road also hosts Swinton RLFC.  Given the poor quality of the pitch and its drainage, any increased use of it would be unwise.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Loo fighters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 11:11
Sharks have sold the vision of playing at the AJB. Sale 1861 women are continuing to exist and so will play at Heywood rd. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jimbojetset Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 11:50
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Indeed a good article. Seems that SS investment number has shrunk from the previously mention £1 Million over 3 years to a "six figure sum". Additionally where will SSW play? I'm guessing Heywood Road to keep the costs down especially as AJ Bell will be unavailable from February when Salford starting playing on Sunday's. If its Saturday at Heywood Road would they get primacy over Nat.1 Sale FC? 

Sale 1861 are part of Sale FC, Sale Sharks Women's team are run by Sale Sharks. Why on earth would Sale Sharks women have primacy over Sale FC on a pitch they don't own?
Sale 1861 although set up as a joint venture by Sale Sharks and Sale FC two seasons ago, the team itself is run by Sale FC, the DoR is the captain of our first team and the coach is employed by Sale FC.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jimbojetset Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 11:57
Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Sale 1861 women are continuing to exist and so will play at Heywood rd. 
Yep. I think there's been a lot of confusion on this subject with people assuming Sale Sharks were running Sale 1861. Sale 1861 was the vision of Sale FC and is part of a wider long term strategy to include more girls and women in rugby in our area. This includes the Trafford Girls league which was set up with schools in the area to encourage girls at school to play rugby. We approached Sale Sharks and Michelle Orange in particular who are great supporters of the team by doing some joint work.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dropout22 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 12:16
How does it work, Sale FC and Sale Sharks?. Did Sale Sharks form from Sale FC, and split into two different teams?.
Just confused as Sharks used to be at Heywood road now not, and the Sale FC teams train at Carrington, the training ground of Sharks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jimbojetset Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 12:27
Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

How does it work, Sale FC and Sale Sharks?. Did Sale Sharks form from Sale FC, and split into two different teams?.
Just confused as Sharks used to be at Heywood road now not, and the Sale FC teams train at Carrington, the training ground of Sharks.

Ok just a few points
Carrington is owned by Sale FC and currently Sale Sharks rent that off us for their training facility. Our current agreement includes our being able to utilise the pitches, gym etc on a Tues/Thursday and the pitches on a Sunday for the M&J's.
Sale FC own Heywood Road and are the original club. When Rugby went pro back in the mid 90's, Sale FC got involved but became Sale Sharks with external financial ownership of the team. 
Sale FC have always been a members club, so, when Sale Sharks (the team) moved out of Heywood Road to Stockport as it was bigger and Heywood Road was too small, Sale FC Rugby started again from the bottom (historical note, an early player on that team in the lower levels of the RFU was Simon Orange who had never played rugby but is mates with Steve Smith who invited him down)
Sale Sharks and Sale FC aren't just two different teams, they're two different entities but with very close ties in terms of support and development of players. This is why you'll see the occasional Sale Sharks DR/Academy player as well as retired Sale Sharks players in the Sale FC team (Johnny Leota, Fergus Mulchrone, Dave Seymour, Neil Briggs (also a coach).
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Thanks clears up a lot, be interesting if we ever see Sale FC v Sale Sharks then....
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Sale Sharks have signed Katy Daly-Mclean as player/coach.
I want to say something snide about money talking but........

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 11:42
It’s a shame you can’t buy a whole team off the shelf. If Sale and Exeter manage to entice good players from other teams they will dilute the quality of the league below Quins and Saracens who will continue to share the top position.
If they can’t I’ll be them and Worcester propping up the three bottom positions. 
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KDM is mid 30s and signed as a player coach, more of a "Bait" signing. IMO it who they bring in from outside the area of international quality who haven't played at Waterloo. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 13:45
Can anyone confirm or deny that the Tyrrells Clubs have a very low Salary Cap to stick to?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 14:15
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Can anyone confirm or deny that the Tyrrells Clubs have a very low Salary Cap to stick to?

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/womens-game-to-introduce-salary-cap-to-safeguard-clubs-future-rgc6wfzws

This is behind a paywall and I don’t have access but suggests that a salary cap is being introduced.
Probably why KDM is player/coach rather than a player (for the sake of clarity, impressed with KDM and not denigrating her but her pay as a coach probably isn’t capped)

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I may be wrong but I think it would only affect Quin's & Sarries should there be one. 
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Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

I may be wrong but I think it would only affect Quin's & Sarries should there be one. 

Sarries are never bothered by salary caps.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2020 at 23:37
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Can anyone confirm or deny that the Tyrrells Clubs have a very low Salary Cap to stick to?

I beleive £60k cap from after next season onwards (not inc England contracted players england £'s) - also Exeter Uni girls are BUCS champions, most used to go to Bears afterwards but wil give Exeter a good local core

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https://www.scrumqueens.com/news/sweeping-changes-premier-15s-way
 

The introduction of a salary cap of £60,000.

The cap will be advisory next season but will be made compulsory the year after.

This change is thought to be in part to help level the playing field among the clubs and to encourage top players to spread themselves across the teams rather than congregate at one or two clubs.

Not every club is currently paying players, though a handful are, but most cover some sort of travel and accommodation costs for players who need it.

Those costs or ‘material benefits’ are set to be included in the cap though with some leeway, possibly making it difficult for the clubs who have been able to offer such perks.

There is support broadly among the clubs for the introduction of a cap, though many believe it is set at the wrong level and should be increased. 

The scrapping of development teams and the capping of squads at 40 players



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2020 at 06:54
So if the squads are capped at 40 and there is no development team this season where do the 17 girls not picked at a weekend for the 1st XV play?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Loo fighters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 07:52
Priceless from Sharks new coach...“Finding and developing talent is a big part of building a successful squad". Or you could just take the Waterloo squad.. 9 of the 11 signings so far.
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