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Of the 12 teams in the Premiership, one is without a DoR, three are from the Southern Hemisphere, London Irish have an Irish coach (but that is to be expected), so the options would be

Baxter
Blackett
Borthwick
Hooper
Richards
Sanderson
Skivington

Only Richards and Baxter have enough experience - which is a short shortlist.

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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

And playing against 13 or 15 for last ten minutes. Never in the game for me - poorly coached, poorly led, lacking any visible motivation and totally outplayed. Difficult to pick anyone for Lions from that shambles. Are Messrs Farrell, Itoje, George and Daly going to get better playing Championship rugby for the rest of the season - I don't think so!! (No disrespect to the Championship intended!) 

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Can't see that happening with Gatland in charge. I've not looked at the article but I guess Itoje will be in, Watson maybe, May maybe. I wouldn't pick any of the rest
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Waltzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 2021 at 17:13
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Of the 12 teams in the Premiership, one is without a DoR, three are from the Southern Hemisphere, London Irish have an Irish coach (but that is to be expected), so the options would be

Baxter
Blackett
Borthwick
Hooper
Richards
Sanderson
Skivington

Only Richards and Baxter have enough experience - which is a short shortlist.

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You could of course have Andy Farrell and Shaun Edwards.

Unless that meant that Owen Farrell was always picked Confused
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If available to England, I would have no hesitation in bringing in Farrell and Edwards.
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If they open a branch of Galloways Pies in TW2 I would say its a definite! 
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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

If available to England, I would have no hesitation in bringing in Farrell and Edwards.


Why has Edwards never been given a coaching job with England - did wonders at Wales and any person that can get the French organised in defence must be good.

I can only conclude it is his RL background? (Which probably excludes Farrell as well!
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That was a poor end to a bitterly disappointing season from England. Out of 5 games we’ve played one and a half games of decent rugby. We were excellent against France and we were decent in the middle 40 minutes of the Welsh game. Apart from that there are very few positives from an English perspective. Our pack looked laboured throughout the championship, we couldn’t get any forward momentum at all and our ball carrying has really lacked any dynamism. The discipline has been atrocious in every match and our back play has lacked any cutting edge, at times it has reminded me of the Andy Robinson era. 

Also our game-plan looks so pre-ordained. Why when we were 26-6 down yesterday were we still aimlessly kicking the ball away?. Are the players scared to try things just in case it goes wrong. It seems to me like the flair has been coached out of certain players. This low-risk, playing the percentages type game is getting us nowhere and it won’t ever get us to where we need to be. 

So we finish 5th and deservedly so. Changes need to be made. Either Jones gets rid of some of these players and changes the style of play or he goes himself. 
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

If available to England, I would have no hesitation in bringing in Farrell and Edwards.


Why has Edwards never been given a coaching job with England - did wonders at Wales and any person that can get the French organised in defence must be good.
I can only conclude it is his RL background? (Which probably excludes Farrell as well!

In a recent interview Edwards said England have only approached him once. This was when he was at Wasps and his brother had just died in a car crash. Edwards was not in a good place personally and England were too short sighted to make any compromise, so Edwards said no thanks.
Later, when Wales came calling he was in a position to properly consider moving into International RU and was a great success.
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

But so did Wales, Ireland and France - all three demonstrated much higher skill levels and execution than England. Apparently letting the opposition have the ball does NOT lead to World domination! 


They probably did it without raping grass roots rugby of funding too....
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Of the 12 teams in the Premiership, one is without a DoR, three are from the Southern Hemisphere, London Irish have an Irish coach (but that is to be expected), so the options would be

Baxter
Blackett
Borthwick
Hooper
Richards
Sanderson
Skivington

Only Richards and Baxter have enough experience - which is a short shortlist.


I would love to chuck Mr Lam's hat in the ring


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I would love to see an England team who all had less that 5 caps each I have to say bar 3 or 4 positions it would be an easy pick 
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Originally posted by front5 front5 wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Of the 12 teams in the Premiership, one is without a DoR, three are from the Southern Hemisphere, London Irish have an Irish coach (but that is to be expected), so the options would be

Baxter
Blackett
Borthwick
Hooper
Richards
Sanderson
Skivington

Only Richards and Baxter have enough experience - which is a short shortlist.


I would love to chuck Mr Lam's hat in the ring

Nice to see two of those with Grasshoppers pedigree. 
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Crikey are people really suggesting Andy Farrell?

Ireland are underperforming as much as England 
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Originally posted by 'Hopper 'Hopper wrote:

Originally posted by front5 front5 wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Of the 12 teams in the Premiership, one is without a DoR, three are from the Southern Hemisphere, London Irish have an Irish coach (but that is to be expected), so the options would be

Baxter
Blackett
Borthwick
Hooper
Richards
Sanderson
Skivington

Only Richards and Baxter have enough experience - which is a short shortlist.


I would love to chuck Mr Lam's hat in the ring

Nice to see two of those with Grasshoppers pedigree. 

Hard pushed to suggest Sanderson as a hopper?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2021 at 10:25
Pat Lam might be an excellent choice. He has international experience with Scotland, Samoa and the islanders. He does seem to have made his home in England.
But, there was a cetain amount of jingoistic, "the next coach should be English."
Which is easy to say - but harder in practice.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2021 at 10:40
Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Crikey are people really suggesting Andy Farrell?

Ireland are underperforming as much as England 


Not on last Saturday's performance.

They also played really well against Wales despite an early red card.

A Farell/Edwards combination with a decent attack coach would be a good option IMO.
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Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Originally posted by 'Hopper 'Hopper wrote:

Originally posted by front5 front5 wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Of the 12 teams in the Premiership, one is without a DoR, three are from the Southern Hemisphere, London Irish have an Irish coach (but that is to be expected), so the options would be

Baxter
Blackett
Borthwick
Hooper
Richards
Sanderson
Skivington

Only Richards and Baxter have enough experience - which is a short shortlist.


I would love to chuck Mr Lam's hat in the ring

Nice to see two of those with Grasshoppers pedigree. 

Hard pushed to suggest Sanderson as a hopper?
And your reasoning for that statement Monkey Boy is........


Edited by 'Hopper - 23 Mar 2021 at 12:09
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Monkey Boy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Mar 2021 at 09:55
Originally posted by 'Hopper 'Hopper wrote:

Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Originally posted by 'Hopper 'Hopper wrote:

Originally posted by front5 front5 wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Of the 12 teams in the Premiership, one is without a DoR, three are from the Southern Hemisphere, London Irish have an Irish coach (but that is to be expected), so the options would be

Baxter
Blackett
Borthwick
Hooper
Richards
Sanderson
Skivington

Only Richards and Baxter have enough experience - which is a short shortlist.


I would love to chuck Mr Lam's hat in the ring

Nice to see two of those with Grasshoppers pedigree. 

Hard pushed to suggest Sanderson as a hopper?
And your reasoning for that statement Monkey Boy is........

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