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    Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 13:52
Now more than ever we need National leagues to offer support to Premiership and England. 

Barbarians side had many who had come through National ranks (and below) as well as providing a match fitness programme for loan players coming back from injury.

Link below is typical but not exclusive to Cambridge, especially last four sentences

Lets have some more examples of progression? Jason Leonard from Barking for example


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Fully agree FHLH, my view is that the majority of the time the National leagues provide a large number of the "Developing" players who eventually go on to play Championship and premiership rugby, by and large level three clubs and below have thriving mini and junior sections which are the "Nurseries" where a lot of the rugby talent in the country comes from (Taking nothing away from the public schools which are the other major source of rugby talent.)
The premiership clubs simply pay lip service to academy teams and very often just utilise the local talent  from local teams in order to turn a side out and attract RFU funding, and because of the demand for success on the field, both the premier and the championship clubs in the main would rather invest in foreign stars than try and develop youngsters through their "Academy" schemes.

  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 15:33
DGS look at Doncaster we have had an academy for three years (and they are local lads primarily) and 4 have got pro-contracts with the club now. Sweeping statements, from you, perhaps but you should also know on a Sunday we probably have 300 mini / juniors attending. So it isn't exclusive to the national leagues.

Although I fully support the fact that the National Leagues are very much needed.
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Castle park, sorry I may have given you the wrong impression, I wasn't referring to every premier and championship club (I did say largely speaking!)
I am fully aware there are exceptions such as Donny who by the way I hold in high regard for the way they have developed since the Dereck Eve days.
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Ironically Leeds had one of the best  academies ..  producing some great players, but then Yorkshire does, if Leeds go under who will pick up the Yorkshire Academy . .presumably DK?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 2019 at 07:37
Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Ironically Leeds had one of the best  academies ..  producing some great players, but then Yorkshire does, if Leeds go under who will pick up the Yorkshire Academy . .presumably DK?
We would hope that is the case Runitback - our Academy is now BUCS North 1so potential super league BUCS up for grabs this season or the next

and fair point DGS missed that Embarrassed


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Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Ironically Leeds had one of the best  academies ..  producing some great players, but then Yorkshire does, if Leeds go under who will pick up the Yorkshire Academy . .presumably DK?


When Stuart Lancaster ran Leeds Academy Sandal had 3 players who went on to represent their country at age group level. Not so sure they were as successful when he moved up.I know we have a couple of lads now who are wondering what's going to happen.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BeeBumble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 2019 at 09:17
Didn't know that rugby academies played or could play in BUCS and, until I googled it just now, hadn't realised what an enormous organisation BUCS appears to be


Besides its seeming extent, what I found most interesting was that there appears to be recognition not only of individual team's performance but also some "totting up" of these results across the whole spectrum of sport played at all levels to produce a total indicative of an institutions overall achievement and position Clap

While I realise that this may be pushing too hard at the envelope managed by the RFU, I can't help but wonder if a similar model might not help us all - you, me, our clubs, our sponsors and our masters - recognise the huge contribution of the grass roots clubs who put out teams at all levels and across the whole spectrum of our great, club game.

Should the original question be re-phrased to ask if we need National Leagues of teams AND clubs, my own answer would now, of course, be a resounding yes AND a resounding yes Smile

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Runitback. The reason that Leeds had such a good academy is that they took a lot of players from other clubs in Yorkshire who had come through their home club mini / junior ranks. I am not saying that this was entirely wrong as players with ambition need a chance. However not all of these players made the Leeds standard and were discarded. Some became disillusioned and their confidence was clearly knocked and some were happy to return "home" So maybe the headline is accurate "why we need National leagues"  
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I have a feeling the reality of this is that both the Premier league and the National set up  find them a very useful vehicle for young players to get game time and have formal DR arrangements etc. Also there have been some very late bolters who have gone on to the play at very high levels. If you think about it and given the high cost and little support from both of those august bodies its a really cheap way to develop players on the back of the efficient (or not) financing of the clubs concerned and the quality of the coaches resident there.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote French Connection Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 2019 at 10:59
We would hope that is the case Runitback - our Academy is now BUCS North 1so potential super league BUCS up for grabs this season or the next

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That isn't technically correct. BUCS is the organisation that runs sporting competitions for universities and colleges of further education - nothing else.  A club can base their "Academy" at an educational institution, as many do, but it's the institution and not the rugby club that play in BUCS. 
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