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Have to defend Luffbra not all their EAPs are baby tigers
So many Christians not enough Lions
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 15:34
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

Have to defend Luffbra not all their EAPs are baby tigers
 
I know, 'twas just a childish reference - now sitting on naughty step  Ouch
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 17:56
Surprised they only had 5 on Saturday but they certainly stood out.
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Date             Cambs             BM                   Caldy               LS                    Esher

06-Apr          RP (A)              Ampthill (H)       DMP (A)           Esher (H)          LS (A)

13-Apr          BM (H)              Cambs(A)         RP (H)              PA (A)              Chinnor (H)

 27-Apr          Sale (A)             Caldy (H)         BM (A)              Ampthill (H)      Black’th (A)

 

B'ham Moseley (59) - (2 Home, 1 Away) have taken one win with two further likely on current form (Cambridge, Caldy). They still control the relegation run in having both Cambridge and Caldy).

Cambridge (58) - (1 home, 2 Away) Much needed win on Saturday, still; looking to score losing bonus points and win another. Sale is now a huge match. Suffering from lack of TBP during the season.

Caldy (52) - (1 home, 2 Away) Tricky run in on the road. I need to check the relegation/points criteria - I believe total points, then wins, then tries - not sure where draws come in!!

Loughborough (51) - (2 Home, 1 Away) Two home and some impressive recent form - they may pull it off and we will all discuss the benefits of state funding and dual reg!

Esher (50) - (1 home, 2 Away) much needed win at Sale  but three unhelpful fixtures away with 2 Away

Sale's loss means they may come into the reckoning (63 with two tr) and the top is still anyone’s guess ……………..amazing turnaround by Ampthill but a dropped bonus point may bite. Go Amps (if only to wind up The Championship!!)

Prediction

B. Moseley    67

Cambridge    60

L'boro           60 - cannot beat Cambridge on # wins so must get match points

Caldy            57

Esher            56



Edited by FHLH - 01 Apr 2019 at 15:13
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 15:01
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

 Go Amps (if only to wind up The Championship!!)


I would be more than happy for the Amps to come up, anything beats visiting another London ground, so it will definitely not wind me up. 

I would have been happier if Rotherham had a chance of coming back up - I loved those away days.
Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

I would be more than happy for the Amps to come up, anything beats visiting another London ground, so it will definitely not wind me up.
 
I think their ground is not what one might want! They are a community rugby club........ bit like Championship -> Premiership (urinals must be 30cm apart, not 12")  WinkWink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 20:26
Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:



<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt 4.65pt; tab-stops: 64.65pt 135.65pt 206.65pt 277.65pt 348.65pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"> Go Amps (if only to wind up The Championship!!)</span>



I would be more than happy for the Amps to come up, anything beats visiting another London ground, so it will definitely not wind me up. 

I would have been happier if Rotherham had a chance of coming back up - I loved those away days.

Nor me. MK is a nice easy away day from Cov (assuming we stay up of course).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 07:45
Kimbo - I do not see Cov getting relegated this season so I think you can plan your trip for next season. Your run in is nowhere near as grim as Richmond and Hartpury.....well apart from facing us at Castle Park
Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 08:25
No, nor me CPK. You should see/hear the negativity around some of the supporters though
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This may  amount to nothing but Secure Trading (essentially the money behind Old Ethamians) are being investigated, and their players haven't been paid for 3 weeks. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pistacio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 08:00
have you got a source for that news about Secure Trading? Doesn't seem to be anything out there. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 09:22
I can't see any reference on any news feeds to Secure Trading being investigated, as a PGP anything like this I would expect to be big news.
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Originally posted by vanwilder vanwilder wrote:

This may amount to nothing but Secure Trading (essentially the money behind Old Ethamians) are being investigated, and their players haven't been paid for 3 weeks. 

Is this in relation to SecureTrading (04591066), part of SecureTrading  Group (04586150), part of UC group (Co No 03762366) of 40 Bank Street, London, E14 5NR?

Nothing implied by this question but it would be inappropriate to look at the financials of the wrong company at Companies House or elsewhere.

Just seen club website and it is ...... happy to share information in confidence by PM only


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Originally posted by Pistacio Pistacio wrote:

have you got a source for that news about Secure Trading? Doesn't seem to be anything out there. 

My source is one of the players with whom I work. I will try and find out more 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pistacio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 14:37
No need. i don't take any pleasure in seeing a club fold. Serious if people aren't getting paid , will be interesting to see what measures the rfu take 
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In summary

If a National 1 club were to suffer an insolvency event and are unable to pay their creditors in full within 6 weeks.

They suffer a 38 point deduction that season.
If that has no effect - either bacuase they stay up, as OEs probably would, or bacause they would have been relegated anyway - then there is a deduction of 23 points the next season.

They have to comply with the salary cap of £300k

This also applies to a successor club taking over the assets of the existing club.

If they cannot fulfil their fixtures and inform the RFU of this before June 1st then one fewer club is releagated.
If this occurs after June 1st - then the next season has 15 clubs.

Hope all is well at OEs and everyone gets the money owed.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 16:02
Could be that they are monthly paid so wouldn’t be paid in 3 weeks be careful as what day Monday was
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 16:03
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

In summary

If a National 1 club were to suffer an insolvency event and are unable to pay their creditors in full within 6 weeks.

They suffer a 38 point deduction that season.
If that has no effect - either because they stay up, as OEs probably would, or because they would have been relegated anyway - then there is a deduction of 23 points the next season.

They have to comply with the salary cap of £300k

This also applies to a successor club taking over the assets of the existing club.

If they cannot fulfil their fixtures and inform the RFU of this before June 1st then one fewer club is relegated.
If this occurs after June 1st - then the next season has 15 clubs.

Hope all is well at OEs and everyone gets the money owed. 
It would be interesting to know if in the rules, there is position on what happens to a club if they just don't pay players as opposed to going into insolvency?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 16:32
The RFU can treat falure to pay rugby creditors as an insolvency event - it does not have to be formal insolvency.

The club needs to provide accurate financial statements to the RFU at the end of the season.

If the RFU has concerns over the financial state of a club at any time it can fully audit the club.
Failure to comply or providing false information carries unlimited penalty.


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Escalating quickly for a Chinese whisper.
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