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    Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 06:36
Now that all the coaches and players are taking today’s games seriously (as there are league points available) perhaps we can agree to get back to sanity tomorrow?

Could we wake up and find that sense has prevailed and the RFU announce that this was just a big (well – not that big!) publicity stunt. That the real league season actually starts next weekend with 22 matches on a home and away basis and no-one gets any points from today’s action?

I could (kind of) accept the launch weekend if it had actually attracted lots of publicity for the Championship. I might (perhaps grudgingly) accept that some good may come from it, but (as far as I can tell) there has been no more publicity than usual.

However, perhaps this is a good thing!

I may be alone, but I’ve tried to avoid talking to acquaintances about this latest farce dreamed up at HQ. They were pretty incredulous when I have explained previous farces such as those wacky relegation/promotion play offs involving the whole league. I’m afraid that explaining this one would just tip them over the top.

Instead, I am pretending this weekend isn’t happening and that the league starts next weekend. I will be doing my usual encouragement to get them to come to games. If we get any points today and anyone I persuade down to the first home game in 2 weeks time notices a ‘strange’ number of points in the table I’ll just say it must be a mis-print.

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Am I a kill joy?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 06:52
Dear Bill,

One way to stop being so negative is to make a list of the things you are thankful for. You should do this at least once a day. It will help you focus on things to be appreciated and, with practice, you will find many things to be thankful for.

Another thing to do is to try very hard to find something positive in every situation. Even a bad situation can be positive if you learned something from it. And yes, going through difficult times does build character.

Next, work hard on not complaining. Try to say something positive and see the good in people and situations. There’s a saying about letting troubles roll off of you like water off a duck’s back. Visualize your troubles just rolling off of you and focus on the positive.

Last, realize than only you can change your attitude. Your attitude is no one’s fault but yours. As you attitude changes from negative to positive, you will notice that people respond to you in a different way. You can change your life by changing your attitude.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 07:28
Thanks Xavi.....I think you may have changed my life....

So much so that I'm going to write in to Squeeky later today thanking him for everything he's done for me and my sport over the last decade. I'll then drop a note to Gideon asking for some financial advice.

When I'm done with the above I might voluntarily check myself in to 'one of those' clinics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 07:47
Those are my thoughts on the matter, but it appears there is an appetite for this type of event, the game at Allianz today is all but sold out according to the Sarries website. Though how everyone is going to get there is another matter altogether.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 08:45
Originally posted by Bill Sley Bill Sley wrote:

Thanks Xavi.....I think you may have changed my life....

So much so that I'm going to write in to Squeeky later today thanking him for everything he's done for me and my sport over the last decade. I'll then drop a note to Gideon asking for some financial advice.

When I'm done with the above I might voluntarily check myself in to 'one of those' clinics.


I've notice the difference already Bill - Do you feel better I can sense the change from here love it
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 08:45
Will be interesting to see how Sandy park has sold for the SW DH. Can't see us (collectively) filling the joint, but there have been 200 takers for the coaches subsidised by PARFC, apparently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 08:48
Possible reason for the near sell-out is that four clubs are there, of which 3 are generally well supported. Add in the Ealing Trailfinders factor - First game at this level and all that, it's going to be fun. And yes I,ll be leaving plenty of time to get there !!
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Edited by WESTCOMBE RANGER - 14 Sep 2013 at 08:49
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 09:12
Originally posted by WESTCOMBE RANGER WESTCOMBE RANGER wrote:

Possible reason for the near sell-out is that four clubs are there, of which 3 are generally well supported. Add in the Ealing Trailfinders factor - First game at this level and all that, it's going to be fun. And yes I,ll be leaving plenty of time to get there !!
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And not too far away ... Three of them are only 8 miles away!
What a blessing it would be if we could open and shut our ears as easily as we open and shut our eyes!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 09:13
i know you're exaggerating a bit for (amusing) effect Bill, but you will need to get over this in time. I'd suggest that by next Friday when round 2 begins this needs to be put to bed. Vague talk that Ealing were preparing a legal case should they lose today and then end up relegated by 5 pts or fewer sounds like poppy o c k to me. It's fair enough to debate the merits of the DH for the time being, as decisions will have to be made whether to repeat it, but it would be wrong, i think, if the debate festered all season...

i gave my views before, but summarised now:

  •  it has been agreed on by the clubs and is now, like it or lump it, part of the structure of this season.
  •  the maximum impact of the extra DH game is 5 points (max) and 0 (min).
  • It may end up being cited as evidence of unfairness, but everyone knows the situation when the season commences, and each club has 22 games after the DH matches to achieve their final position.
  • The DH matches don't seem any more or less unfair than the play-offs, whereby a team could win all 23 games, gaining 115 points, and then lose to the fourth-placed team, who finished 40-50 points back, in the play-offs. This outcome would be seen as a travesty of justice by some, but again it's part of the structure of the season, agreed by clubs and known about at the start of the season...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 09:20
Originally posted by dumbape dumbape wrote:

Originally posted by WESTCOMBE RANGER WESTCOMBE RANGER wrote:

Possible reason for the near sell-out is that four clubs are there, of which 3 are generally well supported. Add in the Ealing Trailfinders factor - First game at this level and all that, it's going to be fun. And yes I,ll be leaving plenty of time to get there !!
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And not too far away ... Three of them are only 8 miles away!


Bedford and Oxford are more than 8 miles away.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 09:27
1900 mile, 4 hours sleep. Coach from Bedford @ 11.30 Can't wait. I think its a great idea, and its going to be a great day out. Will be supporting Trailfinders in their first game in the C/ship and then the BLUESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 09:37
Well, two clubs (we don't know which) didn't want this DH nonsense.

The DH is unfair because it has the potential to distort the actual league element of the season, leaving aside the farcical play-offs.

The impact of the DH is potentially greater than 5 points, but that is irrelevant to the unfairness argument. Last season the difference between 5th and 4th was less than five points. If one team has the chance to pick up five points that the other can't then that is obviously unfair.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 09:38
I was full of excitement this morning. The only thing I have to say now is

Edited by Rich - 14 Sep 2013 at 16:46
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 10:11
Originally posted by PlangentThrowback PlangentThrowback wrote:



The impact of the DH is potentially greater than 5 points, but that is irrelevant to the unfairness argument. .
 
 
pls advise by PM how it is possible to get more than 5 points in a game this w/e... as i need to relay this info urgently to the Jersey DoR... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 11:15
Really looking forward to tomorrow, win lose or draw I think the double header is a great idea, and I hope it continues for a good few seasons.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2013 at 11:37
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

i know you're exaggerating a bit for (amusing) effect Bill, but you will need to get over this in time. I'd suggest that by next Friday when round 2 begins this needs to be put to bed. Vague talk that Ealing were preparing a legal case should they lose today and then end up relegated by 5 pts or fewer sounds like poppy o c k to me. It's fair enough to debate the merits of the DH for the time being, as decisions will have to be made whether to repeat it, but it would be wrong, i think, if the debate festered all season...

i gave my views before, but summarised now:
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  • <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253; text-align: left; "> it has been agreed on by the clubs and is now, like it or lump it, part of the structure of this season.</span>
  • <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253; text-align: left; "> the maximum impact of the extra DH game is 5 points (max) and 0 (min).</span>
  • <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253; text-align: left; ">It may end up being cited as evidence of unfairness, but everyone knows the situation when the season commences, and each club has 22 games after the DH matches to achieve their final position.</span>
  • <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253; text-align: left; ">The DH matches don't seem any more or less unfair than the play-offs, whereby a team could win all 23 games, gaining 115 points, and then lose to the fourth-placed team, who finished 40-50 points back, in the play-offs. This outcome would be seen as a travesty of justice by some, but again it's part of the structure of the season, agreed by clubs and known about at the start of the season...</span>


I believe the clubs were sold it as something that the premiership would be doing
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2013 at 13:14
Roth fans embraced the idea, fair enough we are only 14 miles away from donny and took maybe 6-700 fans. This idea came from the clubs, I think we should stop being kill joys and get behind these types of ideas,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2013 at 13:43
I thought the idea of a 23rd game was ridiculous (for all those reasons already expounded by others), but found myself on-line booking a couple of tickets. Despite the Lions and other internationals, it felt like it had been a long summer and I was craving a return to Championship rugby.
But would I go again if there is the same format next year? Well firstly I am hoping that a return to the premiership for Bristol will make the question purely hypothetical, but after 2 games a return to premiership rugby seems a bit optimistic. And no I wouldn't, certainly not to Sandy Park, where I now have only memories of disappointing Bristol performances. Maybe the Rec or Kingsholme would seem appealing after another summer of withdrawal, but I'd like to think not.
Has anyone seen attendance figures for the double headers?I didn't hear the figure announced at Sandy Park, but would be surprised if it was much more than 3000.It's hard to believe that this was a financial success for anyone. Except, perhaps, for those selling pasties at £4.50 each at Sandy Park (although to be fair they were big pasties). And I can't see that it has done anything for Greene King, unless forcing the bitter drinkers amongst us to drink John Smiths is supposed to be a Machiavellian plot whereby we think that Greene King must be better if only we can find somewhere where it is on sale.
Apologies for the bit of a ramble, but felt compelled to offer my twopenn'th to the debate.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2013 at 09:10
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

agreed by clubs and known about at the start of the season...

Not agreed by all the clubs and there may have been coercive pressure applied. What does "it was known about at the start of the season" even mean? A club is just supposed to fold or be cast adrift and excluded from the league? What other course of action could a dissenting club take? It's nonsense.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2013 at 09:22
Originally posted by Rinkadink Rinkadink wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

agreed by clubs and known about at the start of the season...

Not agreed by all the clubs and there may have been coercive pressure applied. What does "it was known about at the start of the season" even mean? A club is just supposed to fold or be cast adrift and excluded from the league? What other course of action could a dissenting club take? It's nonsense.
Nonsense or not I had a cracking day at Sandy Park. I saw two games of rugby, liberated loads of Otter Ale, ate a huge Pasty and I'm not whinging even though my team lost. Get over it and look forward to a full on forward contest at St Peter tomorrow.
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