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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by Camp Freddie Camp Freddie wrote:

Joy, I agree the comment about the lesser code is a little arrogant but the RFL definitly wanted Toronto to get to Super League as it suits their misguided ideas of a global game.


You reckon? I've not seen any evidence that the RFL have got that much of a plan. Everyone sort of knows that change needs to come, but no one can agree what that change should be. The heartland M62 clubs are scared witless that they'll be displaced by "glamour" sides from elsewhere in the world, the chairmen are arguing over whether and how to raise the salary cap without bankrupting most of superleague, and the fans grumble about having to travel outside the M62 corridor. 

Meanwhile, Toronto only got where they have because a single rich individual wanted to bankroll it, and the big unsquared circle is where all the players are going to come from for these new sides, without killing off clubs (and consequently their academies) in the heartlands. 

I genuinely think the RFL were a bit scared by Toronto coming up, and what the consequences were going to be. Toronto add "glamour" but they take players. In the meantime, the debate about how to even schedule their matches continues, and while all this is going on they've got another season in a league of semi-pro teams whose players have to take time off work to travel to away games. You think Jersey causes problems?

For the record, I think SL works as it is - Wakefield Trinity have just come 5th on a budget of £3.60. It's a pretty level league.


Is that sarcasm or should it read £3.6m? You can't get a decent pint for £3.60

dramatic understatement/exaggeration. Seriously, by some estimates they're on about 60% of the cap. The cap from memory is about £1.8m.


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Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

I suspect the Lesser Code really wanted Toronto to come up, much more glamourous for them.

Arrogance AND ignorance in such a short post!

Let's look at it this way: Union is more popular around the world, Union pulls in more spectators and sponsors, Union is just more entertaining to watch rather than "5 tackles, kick and pray then repeat", there are more people playing Union.

I could go on and on. The fact they had to build up a team in Toronto to draw in interest says it all about the desperation of those northern rebels to try and show they have more geographic reach than just Lancashire and Yorkshire.
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Oddly League's law tweaks were designed to make the game more spectator friendly.
Needing paying spectators to pay wages, they adapted the law to ensure the ball would not be buried in a ruck or maul and took two players off the pitch to make more space.




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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

the desperation of those northern rebels to try and show they have more geographic reach than just Lancashire and Yorkshire.

without saying anything else about the rest of your post except I reserve the right to disagree, on a factual point it's been Lancashire, Yorkshire and Cumberland for a very long time - ok Barrow used to be Lancashire but Whitehaven and Workington didn't and that's just the pro RL clubs of Cumbria. 

They also did ok exporting the code to New South Wales. 

I love them both - treated as different sports on their own merits. Others may not, as is their right, but I get almost as much enjoyment out of a decent RL game as I do out of RU. 1995 was a long time ago and I've spent my whole adult life with the open gangway between the codes. More to the point, I've never lived within even 100 miles of the M62 so it's not like RL was bred into me. I found it, and choose/chose to follow it. 
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I remember seeing them in the early 80's when they played at Craven Cottage as Fulham RLFC and really enjoyed the sheer physicality of the game. There was a great atmosphere buoyed by a very enthusiastic crowd of nearly 10,000, which wasn't too shabby for a division 2 side, although I believe that attendances reduced once the novelty factor wore off.
My first love is Union, but I do enjoy the odd game of RL and the 'State of Origin' is just brilliant.
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I dont really understand the animosity between the codes these days. They are both great sports in their own right and both could learn a lot from each other.

While I prefer Union the match atmosphere at league games between the 'bigger' sides e.g St Helens, Wigan, Leeds, Bradford (at their best), Warrington cannot be rivalled by anything in rugby union with the exception of things like 6 nations, world cup etc

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Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

I dont really understand the animosity between the codes these days. They are both great sports in their own right and both could learn a lot from each other.

While I prefer Union the match atmosphere at league games between the 'bigger' sides e.g St Helens, Wigan, Leeds, Bradford (at their best), Warrington cannot be rivalled by anything in rugby union with the exception of things like 6 nations, world cup etc

Gloucester's the closest I've come in club union. Unfortunately, not being a Glaws fan, I haven't come that close very often. In the last 2 seasons though I have been to Castleford v Wigan and Wakefield v Salford and the atmosphere was electric.
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

I remember seeing them in the early 80's when they played at Craven Cottage as Fulham RLFC and really enjoyed the sheer physicality of the game. There was a great atmosphere buoyed by a very enthusiastic crowd of nearly 10,000, which wasn't too shabby for a division 2 side, although I believe that attendances reduced once the novelty factor wore off.
My first love is Union, but I do enjoy the odd game of RL and the 'State of Origin' is just brilliant.
The crowds very quickly dropped off when they were Fulham RFLC at the Cottage. In terms of attendances in Super League, when they were last at The Stoop, Quins RL, later renamed back as Broncos would see 4,000 as a very big crowd. In terms of their attendances, Ealing remains a good fit as long as the capacity can be sufficiently raised. Would be interested in seeing where the extra stand would go.
Re Toronto, yes funded by one individual, but they are getting crowds of 5-7,000 every home game - more than a number of SL crowds get. They were getting up to 5,000 even in League One, the third tier of the sport against the likes of the not so mighty Hemel Stags and South Wales Ironmen.
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Originally posted by Surreyben Surreyben wrote:

Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

I remember seeing them in the early 80's when they played at Craven Cottage as Fulham RLFC and really enjoyed the sheer physicality of the game. There was a great atmosphere buoyed by a very enthusiastic crowd of nearly 10,000, which wasn't too shabby for a division 2 side, although I believe that attendances reduced once the novelty factor wore off.
My first love is Union, but I do enjoy the odd game of RL and the 'State of Origin' is just brilliant.
The crowds very quickly dropped off when they were Fulham RFLC at the Cottage. In terms of attendances in Super League, when they were last at The Stoop, Quins RL, later renamed back as Broncos would see 4,000 as a very big crowd. In terms of their attendances, Ealing remains a good fit as long as the capacity can be sufficiently raised. Would be interested in seeing where the extra stand would go.
Re Toronto, yes funded by one individual, but they are getting crowds of 5-7,000 every home game - more than a number of SL teams get. They were getting up to 5,000 even in League One, the third tier of the sport against the likes of the not so mighty Hemel Stags and South Wales Ironmen.
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