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    Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 11:02
We have had situations occur in the past 2 weeks when the game has gone to uncontested scrums. Frustratingly this was just as we were starting to get dominance in the scrum. This has been due to the opposition conceding yellow cards or front row injury. No criticism of the opposition, these things happen.

However there seems to be a view that when a team indicates that it must go to uncontested scrums then they have to forfeit a player. This has not happened in both cases and it has lost us a degree of momentum and changed the shape of the game.

Would be grateful for the proper ruling if only to clarify it for us on the touchline. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Insignificant Tick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 11:10
I know there are instances where teams have to withdraw a player and some refs have not done so but the team concerned has been docked points because they should have known even though the ref didn't, which is bizarre but there you go.
Looking forward to seeing what the regs actually are from others on this forum. 
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https://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Document/General/General/01/32/72/43/RFURegulation13Appendix2_English.pdf

In general the person going off cannot be replaced.
So if it is a card, they go down to 14, but do not lose an extra player to go down to 13.
If they lose a player to injury, they still go down to 14.

I cannot say I like the rule.
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Copy and paste this link, this explains all.

https://broughtonparkfc.rfu.club/Media/BroughtonParkFC/Broughton%20Park%20Documents/Senior%20Men/Front_Row_Logic_Tree_1415_Level_5_Neutral.pdf
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So basically if a team is getting mullered in the scrum it can indicate that it has no more front row replacements and opt for uncontested scrums with 15 men on the pitch? Just so we are clear.
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There still has to be 8 people in the scrum if they have gone uncontested (as far as I understand it and believe it's a fairly new ruling). So the team that prompted the uncontested scrums has only 14 players on the field cos of cards or injury and also has to put a back in the scrum to make up the numbers.

This was occurring in a recent game my team played but the ref didn't remember at every scrum (he wasn't the best) !



Edited by Willy Mclintosh - 09 Apr 2019 at 16:41
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Originally posted by Penda Penda wrote:

So basically if a team is getting mullered in the scrum it can indicate that it has no more front row replacements and opt for uncontested scrums with 15 men on the pitch? Just so we are clear.

No, they have to go to 14 players, whether it be by yellow card or removing a player. They should also have 8 in the pack at every uncontested scrum. Hope this clarifies. We've had it twice this season and once last season.


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It is also the team's responsibility to ensure they have the correct number of players are on the field.

If you believe that your opposition failed to remove a player, I would suggest writing to the organising within 48 hours of the match finisihing and provide whetever evidence you have.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 18:12
Correct FP - this rule was brought in to "discourage" teams who were getting mullered up front from using this as a tactic which would at least allow them to secure their own ball at scrum time
In fairness it seems to have worked but hardly effective if previous posts are to be believed
It WAS made clear when brought in that it DOES NOT form part of the refs duties to administer (rather like the number of interchanges)
If the clubs dont monitor this aspect of the game management correctly then they face any consequences
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