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    Posted: Yesterday at 15:48
In all honesty where we sit in the structure and should it stay as is, it will finish senior rugby as we know it 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Yesterday at 15:28
Nope, its being voted in or not tomorrow. Massive opposition to lower XV entry but the Council Members will vote the party line which means it will all go thru. 
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does anyone know what has happened from the RFU on this, if so were there any amendments 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 17:46
I like the idea that 7 second teams will enter the structure in both Devon and Cornwall. I believe there are ten 2nd teams in Cornwall and about 34 in Devon.  It shows just how little thought has gone into the new structure.

It is a case of something must be done, this is something, we will therefore do this.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

I do recall a suggestion to detach Cornwall and tow it up the Bristol Channel, thus making Cornish Pirates and Bristol a local derby. Can't recall why the idea was rejected!
Because if Cornwall was detached it would simply stay where it was. The rest of Great Britain, however, would float off, probably running aground on Norway.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 13:23
I do recall a suggestion to detach Cornwall and tow it up the Bristol Channel, thus making Cornish Pirates and Bristol a local derby. Can't recall why the idea was rejected!
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Dickon - totally agree, certainly down in the South West i know this has been brutal, history clearly shows that at level 6 it is generally the case that one club will totally dominate the league and go through with minimal losses and some significant victories along the way, not 100% sure but last season one league induced over 2000 miles of travel throughout the season, statistically more than Bath. When you look at the level 7 structure below setting aside maybe the 2 top and bottom teams at each level there was not really that much difference in quality, however significant difference in location. Looking at this proposal there is not much difference in total miles all be it the compass has changed. Whilst looking at the big picture maybe a win, however Cornwall to Dorset to Plymouth at level 6 - That is IMHO an unrealistic expectation on the players at this level in this day and age 
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We cannot change our geography but I do think we should be applying a different approach to a re-org in the extremities of the country compared with the hubs. My no 1 issue with the suggested re-org is that it takes a sledgehammer to the whole lot, when large parts of the game are functioning very well. As I say, don't let the RFU dress it up as player lead, cos their own data does not support this, and that data was only supplied by the players who bothered to reply to the survey who are the ones most likely to have something to say. To wit, the Cups - no matter how many players tell you they want a Cup, the evidence of the last decade or so is that when you ask for availability, it is the Cup weekends that the players seek to avoid, hence an ever increasing round of walkovers - moving the Cups to a dedicated period at the end of the season will mean it now clashes with a time when lads seek to take a break. I can only see clubs that pay players seeking to get involved, and I don't think that is what the RFU have in mind...

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mind you looking at this a different way, 8 hrs on a coach there and back for an away game at level 6, 3 cans per hour equals 24 cans, 24 cans in a case - some logic in there somewhere certainly from a supporters point of view eh!
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Or spin pass it at 100mph to a team mate 2 yards away
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Camquin - mate come on, pick it up and box kick it your living in the past
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 2021 at 15:57
Next you will be suggesting we pick the ball up and run with it.
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Blimey - I know you will be thinking this guy is nuts, but what about we could organize some 7's tournaments towards the end of the season for all those players not on the brink of divorce or totally broken in half. Wait for it maybe a big one in London Spread over a few grounds ending for some with a crack at Twickers against some prem clubs - what memories that would make, and i will tell you what lets go totally outside the box - Tour ?

thats it im getting unnecessary back to work that would never work
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Originally posted by everest everest wrote:

Don't shoot me but I have had an idea, why don't all clubs at level 2 and below get a fixture secretary who could phone around other fixture secretary's and organize local fixtures which control the destiny and ambition of your club. We could run a local cup competition at the same time. Obviously keep a long away day in there so that every other year players and supporter's can enjoy a beano to the seaside and a very late bus back. Obviously if you were to call the game off or lets say god forbid someone forgets to post the score through you wouldn't get fined or docked any points. Maybe some better friendships and long term associations could be made ???
madness maybe i know, sure it would never work but just a thought  

slight tweak to your proposals...just to finesse them.
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All of these posts are illustrating the complexity of delivering good rugby for lower XVs of stronger Clubs.

Having matching fixtures doesn’t work for Clubs at Level 2 where not everyone has more than one team. Even some at Level 3 might struggle.

Playing games consecutively happens already, if we have 2 home teams the other match kicks off earlier, especially in winter as we have only one floodlit pitch.

Some Clubs traditionally build up very strong squads below 1st XV, Richmond are an exception where their 2nd and 3rd XVs play in the top level of the London Reserve League, but there are other examples.

I suspect that since League entry for lower XVs is optional that many Clubs will not join and will stay in the Reserve Leagues they already have and then look to enhance the fixture list with midweek and floodlit matches. That is our current view.
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Originally posted by everest everest wrote:

Don't shoot me but I have had an idea, why don't all clubs at level 6 and below get a fixture secretary who could phone around other fixture secretary's and organize local fixtures which control the destiny and ambition of your club. We could run a local cup competition at the same time. Obviously keep a long away day in there so that every other year players and supporter's can enjoy a beano to the seaside and a very late bus back. Obviously if you were to call the game off or lets say god forbid someone forgets to post the score through you wouldn't get fined or docked any points. Maybe some better friendships and long term associations could be made ???
madness maybe i know, sure it would never work but just a thought  

BINGO!

Unfortunately, some 2nd XVs are far too strong for other 2nd XV counterparts - and my club have been on the wrong end of some 100 point defeats to National League 2nd XVs. It isn't an easy solution. 

At least, with fixture secretaries, they should try and arrange matches.

I've never understood the necessity for league fixtures for 2nd and 3rd XVs. It actually leads to more mismatches than an arranged fixture. Surely a competitive fixture and a good local cup competition is all that is needed. 

We're trying to bring back 'club days' where you arrange 1st-3rd/4th XV fixtures across the whole club on the same day. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote everest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 2021 at 13:55
Don't shoot me but I have had an idea, why don't all clubs at level 6 and below get a fixture secretary who could phone around other fixture secretary's and organize local fixtures which control the destiny and ambition of your club. We could run a local cup competition at the same time. Obviously keep a long away day in there so that every other year players and supporter's can enjoy a beano to the seaside and a very late bus back. Obviously if you were to call the game off or lets say god forbid someone forgets to post the score through you wouldn't get fined or docked any points. Maybe some better friendships and long term associations could be made ???
madness maybe i know, sure it would never work but just a thought  
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CPK, I think you're looking at it from the perspective of a high level club wanting their lower fifteens to get more competative fixtures. There are many more clubs as you go lower down the pyramid who won't have those stronger second teams and are looking at it from the perspective of facing a good hiding from semi professional squads.

One problem to resolve would be the improvement of lower XV leagues across the Country. We are blessed in the North West with NOWIRUL, I'm not sure all other areas are.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote French Connection Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 2021 at 10:25
Here in the French Federal leagues (certainly Fed 2 and 3) the 2nd team play the same club as the 1st at the same venue. 2nd XV at 1.30pm, 1st XV at 3.00pm. Makes for a great day of rugby and no need to faff about with 2nd team fixtures. Clubs only have 2 teams and it's also obligatory to field a 2nd XV. A much better system in my opinion.
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