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    Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 15:54
I watched the Wasps Quins match and while there were fewer scrums, it was still definitely Union.
There were rucks, mauls and line-outs and about 5 scrums.

But as knock ons led to a free kick not a scrum - there was more running and the ball was in play most of the time.

The Quins forwards beat the Wasps backs - they did not give the fast Wasps back three a chance to run. Quins scored one try from a 20 m driving maul.

Certainly better than no rugby and for a fan of  the front row - better than league.
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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

jimbo-how fewer scrums were there if the only change related to awarding a scrum is a free kick for a forward pass? Knock ons, turnover mauls, accidental offside still all result in scrums. If these slightly adapted laws allow full tackling, rucks, mauls ie something much more than touch rugby then i am all for them until a full return is possible

There's a couple of variations that I didn't dive into and to be honest it was a learning curve for everyone. However, they did do free kicks for knock ons, accidental offsides (didn't see any turnover mauls) I think there were 2 or 3 scrums. One from a KO that went straight out. 
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jimbo-how fewer scrums were there if the only change related to awarding a scrum is a free kick for a forward pass? Knock ons, turnover mauls, accidental offside still all result in scrums. If these slightly adapted laws allow full tackling, rucks, mauls ie something much more than touch rugby then i am all for them until a full return is possible
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Getting back on topic, has anyone seen the rugby and got any views on the law changes?

We had Sale Sharks Women vs Loughborough Lighting at Heywood Road on Saturday. As a match day ground safety person I was lucky enough to be able to watch. It was an enjoyable game to watch and the law changes certainly made the game quicker. 

However, I'm a firm believer that Rugby should be a game for everyone of every shape and size. Doing away with the scrum longterm means we might as well lose two people on the pitch and call it rugby league. 


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Replying to my own question - the Gloucester game sis here

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Getting back on topic, has anyone seen the rugby and got any views on the law changes?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 10:39
Unfortunately young people live with older people , and they look after their elderly parents that is how it spreads to the elderly and most at risk. So long as all the young do not live at home it is not a problem to self isolate. 
Whether it is up to the elderly to decide does not take into account who runs clubs, In the "amateur days" the bar and events were run by the players , not any more. How do you effective manage a club when all the committee are self isolating.
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Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

I agree that at the moment it would be difficult, however I am hoping that we get the game back in January. Some people may think that I am deluded but we have to get on with life as safely as we can.

This is a game for the young watched by us oldies.
This pandemic will be the catalyst for change in life not only rugby.

Agreed, lets just get on with it. People can decide for themselves whether they want to take the risk or not.
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I agree that at the moment it would be difficult, however I am hoping that we get the game back in January. Some people may think that I am deluded but we have to get on with life as safely as we can.

This is a game for the young watched by us oldies.
This pandemic will be the catalyst for change in life not only rugby.
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Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Nothing to do with money at all....not sure where you got that from.

But carry on? Yes for me with all of the restrictions in place that can be until the vaccine opens up the elderly. 

The 21st September press conference chart showing a possible scenario of United Kingdom COVID-19 positives doubling every 7 days under a no intervention situation.

12,872 positives reported today (11 Oct), 68% lower than the 40.8k scenario daily total that was expected. This is most probably due to the local lock down measures in place.



At the moment, it would be very difficult for any northern sides to be involved below Premiership level.
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Nothing to do with money at all....not sure where you got that from.

But carry on? Yes for me with all of the restrictions in place that can be until the vaccine opens up the elderly. 

The 21st September press conference chart showing a possible scenario of United Kingdom COVID-19 positives doubling every 7 days under a no intervention situation.

12,872 positives reported today (11 Oct), 68% lower than the 40.8k scenario daily total that was expected. This is most probably due to the local lock down measures in place.

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Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

I think you’ll find lots of young people are being hospitalised right now.

And this is one of the biggest issues of this pandemic.
Please look at the great stats that are coming out of NHS England before making comments like the above.

Yes we have a problem but it is only effecting a very small amount of young people, with those effected usually with underlying conditions.

The stats don't lie, this is a virus that is effecting the 60+ age bracket.

Happy to be corrected if you can direct me to the stats that contradict my statement. 

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They simply don’t know the effects of this disease yet.

And all those young people will keep it rolling around to effect the older people who might die of it.

Oh and all those people with underlying conditions they don’t yet know about.

But just crack on so a few lads can earn their rugby money hey?
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Given that finding a vaccine that works for another coronavirus - HIV - has been going on for 35 years without success, how long should we wait for a vaccine? We have to learn to live with Covid-19, as we have with other viruses. starting to play may hep us all learn about transmission and immunity.


Interesting point, as the vast majority of younger people who get covid-19 have either no symptoms or very slight perhaps you are correct - let people play (some may chose not t, but that is down to them.

Also allow crowds in - older people such as myself would make our own minds up whether we attend or not.

Basically, let people make their own choices rather than be dictated to!

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I think you’ll find lots of young people are being hospitalised right now.
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And this is one of the biggest issues of this pandemic.
Please look at the great stats that are coming out of NHS England before making comments like the above.

Yes we have a problem but it is only effecting a very small amount of young people, with those effected usually with underlying conditions.

The stats don't lie, this is a virus that is effecting the 60+ age bracket.

Happy to be corrected if you can direct me to the stats that contradict my statement. 



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Young people also live with older ones usually and they look after their parents who are in their seventies that is how it spreads to the high risk groups.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Given that finding a vaccine that works for another coronavirus - HIV - has been going on for 35 years without success, how long should we wait for a vaccine? We have to learn to live with Covid-19, as we have with other viruses. starting to play may hep us all learn about transmission and immunity.


Interesting point, as the vast majority of younger people who get covid-19 have either no symptoms or very slight perhaps you are correct - let people play (some may chose not t, but that is down to them.

Also allow crowds in - older people such as myself would make our own minds up whether we attend or not.

Basically, let people make their own choices rather than be dictated to!

I think you’ll find lots of young people are being hospitalised right now.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Given that finding a vaccine that works for another coronavirus - HIV - has been going on for 35 years without success, how long should we wait for a vaccine? We have to learn to live with Covid-19, as we have with other viruses. starting to play may hep us all learn about transmission and immunity.


Interesting point, as the vast majority of younger people who get covid-19 have either no symptoms or very slight perhaps you are correct - let people play (some may chose not t, but that is down to them.

Also allow crowds in - older people such as myself would make our own minds up whether we attend or not.

Basically, let people make their own choices rather than be dictated to!
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Given that finding a vaccine that works for another coronavirus - HIV - has been going on for 35 years without success, how long should we wait for a vaccine? We have to learn to live with Covid-19, as we have with other viruses. starting to play may hep us all learn about transmission and immunity.
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Bill, promising news for who? Are we confusing having a test that tells someone they have Covid with taking a vaccine to stop you from contracting it?

A negative Test that takes a week or 5 minutes is out of date as soon as you interact with someone else. Look at the Universities! Lets say 1% (25) of the 25000 students who turned up at Newcastle Uni less than  month ago may have had Covid/symptoms, they partied/played sport/interacted with each other all following SD guidelines and boom they now have over 1200 cases including a dozen staff.

I fear the Premier 15s is a Test to see what would happen if the game was allowed to return without a vaccine. Hardly a good start one game down before a ball is punted down field. First case of cross infection then game over. 99% of the players in the Premier 15s have other jobs, like Medics, Physios, Teachers and so on. Sorry for the downer but no vaccine = no game!


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Bill this is potential good news but only if the cost is right. Currently Premiership test costs nearly £90 per person per week-not too many clubs below Premiership can contemplate funding that and I cannot see the RFU being able to afford to help.
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