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    Posted: 13 hours 33 minutes ago at 11:40
To be fair on a good day it is a glorious venue.
In the middle of Storm David on the other hand - though I suspect no rugby played that day was pleasant to watch.

The fact Cambridge won on their last two visits to Ampthill does endear it.
I suspect the game we lost may have been played on the old pitch.
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Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

an open field in Bedfordshire . . 
 
.......... its called a rugby pitch surrounded by lush grassland and trees in the middle of an SSSI
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2019 at 20:10
A's will beat RP at home and I think Falcons will beat Tigers with some ease . . given how awful Tigers were last night . . . A's V Tigers on an open field in Bedfordshire would be a great rugby story . .  but I am sure you are right TB premiership rugby would never let it happen!!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Blues Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2019 at 20:07
I was thinking similar… although Leicester would never be relegated, the Premiership would be expanded to 13 or 14 at the last minute.

Ampthill have a big game at home to 3rd Rosslyn Park next week.

Leicester have to travel to Newcastle Friday 12 April - huge game.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2019 at 19:14
Ampthill to host Leicester, could happen!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Donnyknightsfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 2019 at 21:58
well after tonight's result is the unthinkable becoming possible? could Leicester actually be relegated?. they're 9 points clear of Newcastle but If Falcons beat Sale tomorrow that gap will be down to 5 or 4 points bearing in mind that Leicester still have to go to Kingston Park in the run-in. I hate to say it but if Leicester finished bottom then I could see the Premiership clubs expanding the league to keep Tigers in it. this would be atrocious protectionism in my opinion. whoever finishes last this season should go down, no matter how big the club is.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MCNRY Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2019 at 15:09
A little birdy tells me Chinnor will be seeing very little of Holland next year...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fatbear Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Mar 2019 at 12:42
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I never said Stortford had a monster pack. However, they did not play an expansive game when they came to Chinnor ( unlike in previous seasons in Nat2 ). They adapted to the conditions on the day, kept it tight, tackled everything in sight and deserved their win.
 
Early in the season there were many posts about Ampthill's one dimensional style and rigidly sticking to Plan A. They now seem to trust their backs and lo and behold they haven't lost in ages........
 
Yes, it looks like we might be seeing a bit less of Holland, Goss and co with the ball next season.....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chunky256 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Mar 2019 at 09:44
FB I have to take some exception to how you describe National 2 rugby. Stortford for one have not and have never had a ‘monster pack’ and are another side who show that you can win games in Nat 2 playing expansive rugby. There are indeed a few sides who adopt the forward heavy approac however they are much more than the one dimensional outfits you describe. You don’t find yourself at the dizzy heights of Ampthill without having an expansive game too.

Looks like Chinnor are ready to adapt their game next season anyway. 280kg of new props. I think we will opt for the scrum please sir....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2019 at 09:56
South African schools rugby is excellent. Excellent goal kicking and sublime offloading in the backs. Then a lot come here to Championship and Premiership clubs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ol' Blue Eyes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2019 at 02:17
I would have to say that generally the quality of championship rugby is very high, particularly considering the average player salary. Now down in Aus and some of the basic standards in super rugby are appalling. Can't tackle, scrum or hold onto the ball for more than about 4 phases.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 21:00
Originally posted by fatbear fatbear wrote:


Islander
 
I have never seen a Championship match - my comments were simply in response to those made on this forum, in particular the implication of N1 being better to watch..........
 
So in my shock I was simply pointing out that the grass isn't always greener and all the criticisms of the Championship can equally be made at N1.
 
Rabbie Burns
 
Chinnor signing 2 monster props for next season is simply an indication of what needs to be done in order to be competitive in N1
 
Kingsheathlad
 
Yes, Moseley's backs did score some tries, and the winger in particular looked an outstanding player. His first try was superb, and so against the pattern of the game upto that point. The battering dished out by the Moseley pack for 70 minutes then gave to opportunity for the backs to show their talent in the last 10.
 
I'm just surprised no-one mentioned that N2S isn't played by 16 clubs playing Barbarians rugby, and that the Champions-elect are Rams and their juggernaut pack !


Fatbear, I fully agree with what Islander has said in his post. I have really enjoyed watching the Reds this season and I think that they have played at a very high and entertaining level. Certainly their current league position does not lie. Not only that, but the vast majority of games in Jersey have been at very high standards, by both teams and the games have certainly not been boring in any way shape or form.
As already mentioned in previous posts, the main differences between Nat 1 and the Championship are:
The pace at which the game is played. Generally a very high tempo for the 80 (well nearer 90) minutes.
The technical skills. Make a mistake at this level and more often then not you are made to pay for it.
The quality of defensive play. It really has been top draw this season from most sides that I have seen and watching a side drive a team away from their line through good tackling, grit and determination can be a real thing of beauty.
Size has been mentioned, but also fitness, fitness, fitness.
I look forward to playing whoever comes up from Nat 1 next season and I am positive that whoever it is, they will only add to the division.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 19:36
Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Defence is king now. We need to play 14, or even 13, a side


The handing out of YELLOW cards achieves the lower numbers. Maybe they should hand out more.


Also helps fill the RFU coffers - they need it after all
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Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Defence is king now. We need to play 14, or even 13, a side

That’s a thought. Do away with flankers, use the scrum solely as a means of restarting the game, forget over-complicated line outs, you could even do away with rucks and mauls to get the kind of running game that some want to see.

Now if someone could come up with a game along those lines - Oh! Hang on ...


How about touch rugby
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fatbear Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 18:57
Islander
 
I have never seen a Championship match - my comments were simply in response to those made on this forum, in particular the implication of N1 being better to watch..........
 
So in my shock I was simply pointing out that the grass isn't always greener and all the criticisms of the Championship can equally be made at N1.
 
Rabbie Burns
 
Chinnor signing 2 monster props for next season is simply an indication of what needs to be done in order to be competitive in N1
 
Kingsheathlad
 
Yes, Moseley's backs did score some tries, and the winger in particular looked an outstanding player. His first try was superb, and so against the pattern of the game upto that point. The battering dished out by the Moseley pack for 70 minutes then gave to opportunity for the backs to show their talent in the last 10.
 
I'm just surprised no-one mentioned that N2S isn't played by 16 clubs playing Barbarians rugby, and that the Champions-elect are Rams and their juggernaut pack !
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 17:40
Originally posted by fatbear fatbear wrote:

Gosh, rugby in the Championship must be awful to watch.
 
As a follower of a side promoted from N2S to N1 this season I have been disappointed by the lack of ambition shown by most sides visiting Chinnor. Of course some visiting backs have scored some wonderful tries but nearly all sides have monster packs with plan A being to win scrum penalties, kick to the corner and score from rolling mauls. Plan B is to have the big forwards bash through the middle. Occasionally the backs are allowed the ball, but most of the time their role is defensive. Only OEs have played what might be called an expansive game at Kingsey Road ( note : Loughborough are still to visit )
 
The excitement from watching Chinnor this season is that until last weekend's drubbing by Moseley, all matches have been in doubt until the very end, and anyone can beat anyone eg at home Chinnor have beaten Ampthill & Rotherham, drawn with OEs and Rosslyn Park, yet lost to Moseley, Caldy and Bishops Stortford. We also lost at Loughborough. Our backs are good to watch though, if they get to see the ball..........
 
Ampthill would appear to be tailor made for life in the Championship - at least on the pitch !


You start with an assumption that I don't believe is true fatbear - rugby at this level isn't awful to watch. When did you last go to a Championship game?

Forward packs are large, and it's a physical game (look at the direction international & Prem rugby have gone in since professionalism), but there's typically a good mix of forward power and some expansive back play. Jersey used to get maligned for over-reliance on the maul, but most people appreciate that we have other strings to our bow now (ask London Irish! Wink )

The Championship sends out weekly stats, which helpfully break down figures of tries by forwards (not that these are all mauls or pick&gos) and backs. The current numbers (excluding PTs, of which no team has more than 2, and tries by replacements, which aren't broken down & I can't readily calculate except for my own team - who have registered 8 tries by subs) are:
  1. Irish 43 by starting backs/37 by starting fwds
  2. Eal 41/29
  3. Bed 36/18
  4. Jsy 35/18
  5. = Donny & Pirates 32/20
  6. n/a
  7. Nott 33/15
  8. Scots 33/9
  9. YksCarn 27/16
  10. Cov 29/11
  11. Rich 24/14
  12. Hartpury 13/20
I'd encourage people to watch game from different levels, like Corp Carrot did last weekend in Plymouth & Penzance, and enjoy the differences, not just s1ag off the other level...


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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Originally posted by Rob C Rob C wrote:

Officials who don't turn a blind eye to backlines being offside at rucks and mauls would be a start...

Absolutely, I'm sick and tired of seeing the back line hitting the flyhalf before the ball is passed by the scrum half.

Indeed. I saw a game a few weeks ago without an offside penalty despite both back lines constantly offending only for the ref to finally spot an offside in the 72nd minute!
Amazingly I wouldn't have a problem with this - at least they were consistent with both teams. As every flanker & centre knows the first few plays in every match are all about testing how far you can push the offside line. Some referees habitually penalise early (often one each side for marginal calls) to let the teams know how he is enforcing the law while in my view the better referees and A/Rs audibly advise players who are encroaching. They do the same on breakdown offside particularly goal line defence. Consistency during a game is all I look for you will never get any better than that.
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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Originally posted by Trailfinder Trailfinder wrote:

Dare I suggest it but could ringfencing improve the general quality of the rugby played in the Championship?

Well, if it kept Trailfinders out...

Whats up Nick ? You think that Ealing Trailfinders fail to play attractive Rugby. Take a look on your own website and the Youtube highlights of when you last played Ealing, 60 to 25. There were some cracking Tries by both sides but four from the Ealing backs and one run out of the Ealing 22 to score at the other end.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 16:51
At the scrum and lineout the ARs will be mark the offside line and talk to the players.
At the breakdown it is much more fluid so the ARs might not be in position as their primary job is to judge touch and so they may be tracking the ball.

The ref is primary duty is safety - even in the championship the aim is for everyone to be able to go to work on Monday. So they tend to be looking at the detail of the breakdown.

The best refs kepp one eye on offside, one eye on the breakdown and the thrid eye watches for other flashpoints.
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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Defence is king now. We need to play 14, or even 13, a side

The handing out of YELLOW cards achieves the lower numbers. Maybe they should hand out more.
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