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    Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 17:51
As we've mentioned many times in the past.
Need more aggressive financial monitoring as in France where a standard accounting reporting structure throws up anomalies very quickly. If you fall outside the criteria, you get relegated or even not promoted.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 16:35
I think it is quite obvious there are several teams in the Championship and NAt1 that survive purely on the largess of a key individuals. . this is true or rugby at all levels. Only one Premiership side currently runs a surplus . . I would be intrigued to know how many do in the Championship . . but there have been some very public problems . . last year Jersey had to sell their ground, the year before LW went bust and currently YC are in financial peril.

My point was that Coventry at least have a very clearly defined business plan, that shows development of their site for commercial and residential use, concerts and for other sports teams to operate from their . . whilst also being backed by good supporter numbers . . .  I dont think my post "accused" any club of not having a coherent business plan, what I was pointing to was that too many clubs spend beyond their means and are reliant on one or a number of benign "investors". Sorry if I caused any offence, but I should certainly think less than half the Championship clubs make a surplus.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 16:26
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

The amount of money spent doesn’t equate to the quality of teams. It’s about how well you use the money


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JonDee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 15:51
Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Kimbo . . . I could have put it better by saying, look at the quality of player and number of players Cov had to bring in to a team who had blasted through Nat 1 . . but still I am sure the wage bill is significant. However, Cov are probably the third best supported team in the league and do seem to have a coherent business plan in the long term  . . unlike most others.

Ampthill deserve their promotion and given YC's problems simply staying solvent might be the only requirement to avoid relegation next year.
 
Which teams are you accusing of not having a coherent business plan or on the basis of the use of the word" most" please tell us in your expert opinion which do 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 15:30
Kimbo . . . I could have put it better by saying, look at the quality of player and number of players Cov had to bring in to a team who had blasted through Nat 1 . . but still I am sure the wage bill is significant. However, Cov are probably the third best supported team in the league and do seem to have a coherent business plan in the long term  . . unlike most others.

Ampthill deserve their promotion and given YC's problems simply staying solvent might be the only requirement to avoid relegation next year.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 14:49
So how do Ampthill propose to fund Championship rugby as the gate receipts don't go anywhere near the sum required even for a modest campaign.

I'm not having a pop here as Ampthill have done incredibly well to get themselves into this position but I wonder exactly what all that effort ( and I'm assuming someone's cash) will mean other than a battle for survival which could have longer term implications. With talk of £200 per game being on offer much lower down the food chain this debate really needs to be widened .
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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

There are no ground requirements for the level 2/Championship for the first year Tongue 
There were this season.
OK I'll be explicit

There are regulations relating to public safety with stands that can hold 500 or more...

Since Amps don't have a stand at all, let alone one that can seat 500+ there are none applicable Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 13:58
Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Well if not DR's some big investment will be needed . . .look at what Cov spent this season and they will probably finish 3rd bottom and Cov were far stronger than Amps in their promotion season  . . there is a big difference between the leagues . . although in fairness Amps did beat Bedford in their Christmas encounter. I am sure Mr Lavery has a plan.
How much did Coventry spend this season?
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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

Whatever the Club House situation, whatever the pitch situation you will find me there at Ampthill supporting the Knights. I always enjoy travelling to "new" to me clubs. Well done Amps, and I am sure The Blues are pleased to have a real local derby next season too.
 
If by some chance the improbable happens, you won't notice vastly different facilities at the Old Elthamians field..
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 12:14
The amount of money spent doesn’t equate to the quality of teams. It’s about how well you use the money
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 10:51
Well if not DR's some big investment will be needed . . .look at what Cov spent this season and they will probably finish 3rd bottom and Cov were far stronger than Amps in their promotion season  . . there is a big difference between the leagues . . although in fairness Amps did beat Bedford in their Christmas encounter. I am sure Mr Lavery has a plan.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 09:21
Ampthill currently have a good link with Sarries for DRs perhaps that will continue
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Someone had to mention the dirty DR words...
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They may be ground sharing . . . will be interesting to see who gets first pick of DR's from Saints
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 07:31
Whatever the Club House situation, whatever the pitch situation you will find me there at Ampthill supporting the Knights. I always enjoy travelling to "new" to me clubs. Well done Amps, and I am sure The Blues are pleased to have a real local derby next season too.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 19:27
I won't list the differences on Statbunker from the previous week then.
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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

I hope Ampthill stay exactly where they are. Caldy has had a lot of fun bringing clubs like Rosslyn Park/Coventry/Blackheath to a little wooden shack and an open field............kinda sorts out the men from the boys
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Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

There are no ground requirements for the level 2/Championship for the first year Tongue 

There were this season.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 17:56
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

I hope Ampthill stay exactly where they are. Caldy has had a lot of fun bringing clubs like Rosslyn Park/Coventry/Blackheath to a little wooden shack and an open field............kinda sorts out the men from the boys
Yep, 12-55 was a right old 'sorting'. Wink
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Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

There are no ground requirements for the level 2/Championship for the first year Tongue 

AFAIK there are no plans to play at MK Dons or Goldington Road

So, yes, Falcons will likely "be going down to the woods one day" next season LOL

There is a plan to move the club but within Ampthill postcodes, there is a vanishingly small chance of the move being completed before September 2020 let alone this autumn

Is Kenilworth Road, Luton not a possibility?
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