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    Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 12:31
What with all those rich tax exiles on the island you wouldn't be able to find a clutch of benefactors...realising that most folk who live there are not multi-millionaires I guess that would be a big problem, as those who reside there for tax purposes probably have no interest in rugby.

I personally think you are right SPY, it would be difficult for you to sustain it on the island if you were to rely on a minimum gate (circa 6k home supporters) / benefactor. Better to remain in the top 4 of the championship, get to watch decent rugby on a regular basis and not have to fear ending up dropping to the bottom of the leagues and starting again. Sensible approach......but we all like to dream.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote spy28482 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 10:59
This is all pie in the sky for me chaps. 

Even if Jersey did win the league and satisfy the premiership criteria there's no way we would attract anywhere near the numbers that have been bounced around for an island population that could fit inside Twickers!

I'm really happy with where Jersey is in the league and how they're performing. We would need an investor that's willing to lend money in and write it off every year to compete at premiership level. 

I wouldn't want Jersey to be reliant on that individual in case a London Welsh happened to us!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 20:49
Originally posted by Westcoaster Westcoaster wrote:

Others with a sensible view will be along shortly, cue Islander..


i'm leaving you to it... LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 18:25
Imo there is more chance of Jersey moving to Green Island than playing in the premiership. The real contest must surely be between Irish and Ealing. If the blue moon arrived and Jersey won it perhaps they would play in Southampton or Avranches.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cricks at 2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 16:33
Originally posted by Westcoaster Westcoaster wrote:

Others with a sensible view will be along shortly, cue Islander, but the hardest criteria we'd ever have to meet would surely be the bums on seats for travelling supporters. As in not enough seats on planes and ferries - maybe hotel beds too. Say a Prem Club wanted to send 6 or 7000 fans over for a long weekend to see their team beaten by the Reds Wink. Thats an awful lot of A320 planes and ferry seats when there 's only a few hundred on regular flights and crossings available.. We struggled to find 1000 beds for London irish early this season, hence match postponement. So how would be cope with a proper large influx of travelling support.
And lets not go getting ahead of ourselves. Jersey are nowhere near winning anything yet. The team's playing well but lets see where we are come late February, and then have this chat !  There's the "small matter" of Ealing this afternoon and crucially in the league on 22nd December.
Mind you would be something to behold one day: a fleet of chartered A 380s and Dreamliners incoming for a Saturday game here in front of 12,000.  Pause to watch flying bacon past the window......
Your runway is far too short for that Westcoaster Even an A320 is pushing it, fully loaded. You could extend across to Le Port, that should do it, but mind the reservoir.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 15:47
I did wonder if Redruth would travel to Guernsey by boat - direct if slow.
The problem with floating hotel is most cruise ships head to the Caribbean for Winter.
So you may need to charter it for the season. 
For home games you might want it Friday and Saturday evening - pick up supporters at a suitable port, sail Friday night, stay in port at Jersey until Sunday - get home for Sunday lunch.
But that is 30 nights occupancy, what would they do the rest of the time. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Westcoaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 15:44
Nice idea raider.... so what could we have: a couple of noisy boats full of Wasps and Tigers, a colourful few for Quins, Saracen raiders would have to have dhows or Crusader craft.  Northampton could only come for Sunday games with their flotilla of Saints; Worcester Warriors would be in warships, and of course there's be a boat for SaleWink Chiefs would have a posh boat or three.  Who've I missed out, Bath, Bristol, Gloucester, Newcastle.  They all feature rivers in their cities so maybe they could come direct i subs........
Sorry about this - its a quiet afternoon and I'm missing League rugby
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 15:26
Suggestion,

Make use of floating Hotels to accommodate visiting hordes?

Solves the transportation problem as well - everyone's a winner
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Westcoaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 14:11
Others with a sensible view will be along shortly, cue Islander, but the hardest criteria we'd ever have to meet would surely be the bums on seats for travelling supporters. As in not enough seats on planes and ferries - maybe hotel beds too. Say a Prem Club wanted to send 6 or 7000 fans over for a long weekend to see their team beaten by the Reds Wink. Thats an awful lot of A320 planes and ferry seats when there 's only a few hundred on regular flights and crossings available.. We struggled to find 1000 beds for London irish early this season, hence match postponement. So how would be cope with a proper large influx of travelling support.
And lets not go getting ahead of ourselves. Jersey are nowhere near winning anything yet. The team's playing well but lets see where we are come late February, and then have this chat !  There's the "small matter" of Ealing this afternoon and crucially in the league on 22nd December.
Mind you would be something to behold one day: a fleet of chartered A 380s and Dreamliners incoming for a Saturday game here in front of 12,000.  Pause to watch flying bacon past the window......
Come on Jersey........
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stalwart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 11:43
I am first to argue that the ridiculous criteria demanded by the powers that be should be scrapped - then if a club win the league they should be supported to bring their ground up to a certain standard (but more sensible than the current set of rules).
My question was, have Jersey any long term plans to try to meet the criteria, should they win the league? The way they are shaping up they have a very good chance of doing just that!
I understand that there are many logistical problems of doing that on an island.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 17:35
Originally posted by Westcoaster Westcoaster wrote:

"Do we assume from this that Jersey have no ambition to be a Premiership club?"
Stalwart, of course not, I was commenting on player contracts, nothing else. 
I'm sure Jersey would love to be a Premiership Club but would need to meet a long list of criteria, and some odd ones caused by the English Channel Confused

The RFU's minimum standards criteria is clearly there to ensure that no upstart clubs get any ideas about daring to come into the top league unless the old boys in the RFU allow them to. 10,000 minimum capacity stadium for example? Like The Avenue was for Irish in the late 90s?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Westcoaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 17:20
"Do we assume from this that Jersey have no ambition to be a Premiership club?"
Stalwart, of course not, I was commenting on player contracts, nothing else. 
I'm sure Jersey would love to be a Premiership Club but would need to meet a long list of criteria, and some odd ones caused by the English Channel Confused
Come on Jersey........
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Blues Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 16:04
They often do pay compensation, however most Championship clubs have 1 or 2 year contracts, so the players often get signed by Premiership clubs once they have expired resulting in no transfer fee.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OldNick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 04:10
It depends on the player’s contract. Certainly some do.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 21:02
Prem clubs don’t pay compensation do they? It’s a meat factory. If you don’t come then they will move onto the next one who will.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OldNick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 20:48
Or to ensure that CP get compensation from the Premiership club for an extra year.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stalwart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 20:41
Originally posted by Westcoaster Westcoaster wrote:

Don't think that a 3 year contract would work i.e. it wouldn't protect a Championship Club from those above with large cheque books. Look at James Voss, recently of Jersey. He'd not long signed up for another season here when Tigers came knocking on the door, made him an offer he couldn't refuse and he was gone in a week.  If a Prem Club wants someone, they will pay to break a contract. We may not like it but we can hardly stand in the way of a player who has ambitions to go to the top.  Le Booj at Bedford now Wasps is another example.
I used to be concerned like you Spy 62242 (can't remember your numbers ! )that we were always losing our best players, but this is professional rugby. Anyone who is good enough to be in the Premiership or a top French club etc is going to be spotted and approached. Better IMO to accept this and enjoy the fact that Jersey has a growing reputation as an excellent feeder club if you're good enough, and its not a bad place to spend a season or two learning your trade
Do we assume from this that Jersey have no ambition to be a Premiership club? The reasoning behind 3 year contracts at Pirates (once the interminable wait for the new stadium is over) is, presumably, to convince them that they could become a top flight player by staying put.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Westcoaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 19:50
Don't think that a 3 year contract would work i.e. it wouldn't protect a Championship Club from those above with large cheque books. Look at James Voss, recently of Jersey. He'd not long signed up for another season here when Tigers came knocking on the door, made him an offer he couldn't refuse and he was gone in a week.  If a Prem Club wants someone, they will pay to break a contract. We may not like it but we can hardly stand in the way of a player who has ambitions to go to the top.  Le Booj at Bedford now Wasps is another example.
I used to be concerned like you Spy 62242 (can't remember your numbers ! )that we were always losing our best players, but this is professional rugby. Anyone who is good enough to be in the Premiership or a top French club etc is going to be spotted and approached. Better IMO to accept this and enjoy the fact that Jersey has a growing reputation as an excellent feeder club if you're good enough, and its not a bad place to spend a season or two learning your trade
Come on Jersey........
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 19:31
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

The Championship is a stepping stone; one of the selling points for potential recruits to Jersey, apart from being able to go to the beach on summer afternoons after pre-season training, is the track record of players going up to the top level - approx a dozen in past 2 seasons...

Pirates have recently talked about bringing in 3-year contracts - once the S4C is built - so that Prem clubs can't 'pinch' players in this way. Time will tell whether one can 'ring-fence' a squad successfully in that way.

Wow! That’s the elephant kicked out of the room. Spot on Islander and I really wish CP luck in their exciting new adventure. Perhaps one day Jersey Reds will be in the same position.
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The problem with standing in the way of players movin up is the better younger players may choose to play for a club that openly embraces ambition to play at the highest level.
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