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    Posted: 22 Apr 2018 at 15:23
Thanks chaps, explains quite a bit. It took the officials quite a while to sort it out and I would guess that we had 2 halves of over 50 minutes each.
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Originally posted by chas chas wrote:

This was discussed in 2013, see http://rolling-maul.com/latest-scores_topic11051_post238469.html?KW=#238469
but basically the RFU did publish regulations requiring the team had to be reduced by another player but The Regulation was later revised as the IRB ruled that it
is not permissible for the referee to require that an additional player
be removed from the field of play when a front row player is
temporarily or permanently suspended and uncontested scrums result.
I thought so as it was certainly unpopular with the opposition at the time which I fully get as it takes away the advantage. But the law was there
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This was discussed in 2013, see http://rolling-maul.com/latest-scores_topic11051_post238469.html?KW=#238469
but basically the RFU did publish regulations requiring the team had to be reduced by another player but The Regulation was later revised as the IRB ruled that it is not permissible for the referee to require that an additional player be removed from the field of play when a front row player is temporarily or permanently suspended and uncontested scrums result.
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In Nat one some time ago the ref sent our 2 props to the bin. At that time I pointed out to sir that as he haď caused the issue we did not lose a man as that was the law at the time. Don't know if that still applies
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That is also my understanding. Leinster should have been reduced to 12 players until a returning YC prop enabled contested scrums to resume. They should then have played with 14 players until the second YC period ended. Any scrum during that period must still comprise of eight per side, leaving Jersey a potential three man advantage in the backs.
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Can somebody clarify a rule for me. When a team runs out o front row speacialists as Leinster did yesterday (1 off injured, 2 in the bin) and the game resorts to uncontested scrums, I thought that the offending team had to reduce their on field players by 1. Is this not the case or are there specific circumstances when this happens? Yes Leinster were 2 men down for 10 minutes yesterday, but it did mean that Jersey couldn't use their most effective weapon, the scrum.
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Well, after a very slow start, boy did we get our monies worth yesterday. The 1st 30 minutes was very attritional with 2 very good sides cancelling each other out in mid field and neither side able to break into the 22 with any real meaning. There was 1 huge difference between the sides however, the scrum. Jersey absolutely destroyed Leinsters scrum. I don't think that I have ever seen a team of that quality dominated like that before (Ealing take note) and it completely turned the game. Jersey taking scrum penalties from about 10 metres out and the cards followed, with both props sent to the bin and now uncontested scrums, Jersey started to run in the points and took complete control of the game in all areas. Jersey continued in their ascendancy in the 2nd half and even when back to 15, the Reds were still on top. It was only when we got to the 80 minute mark that the game changed. Jersey's finishers hadn't had the impact that we wanted and we were then reduced to 14 when Joel Dudley limped off and boy did Leinster make the extra man count, running in 3 tries in 5 minutes, the last of which as the clock rolled over to 52 minutes!! and the Leinster 15 broke out hearts with a fine conversion from out wide on the right.
Some of the lads were clearly distraught at the end and understandably so. It is such a shame that for so many fine players this is how their last home experience in Jersey will finish, instead of a final against our great friends and rivals Ealing. Shame on those who could not be bothered to applaud the lads for giving it all and some.
Brizzer sounds like a game full of drama. I for one would have loved an Ealing Jersey final as it would be fittingto end the cup with 2 sides who have followed each other in the leagues and built up a great rivalry along the way.
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Well, after a very slow start, boy did we get our monies worth yesterday. The 1st 30 minutes was very attritional with 2 very good sides cancelling each other out in mid field and neither side able to break into the 22 with any real meaning. There was 1 huge difference between the sides however, the scrum. Jersey absolutely destroyed Leinsters scrum. I don't think that I have ever seen a team of that quality dominated like that before (Ealing take note) and it completely turned the game. Jersey taking scrum penalties from about 10 metres out and the cards followed, with both props sent to the bin and now uncontested scrums, Jersey started to run in the points and took complete control of the game in all areas. Jersey continued in their ascendancy in the 2nd half and even when back to 15, the Reds were still on top. It was only when we got to the 80 minute mark that the game changed. Jersey's finishers hadn't had the impact that we wanted and we were then reduced to 14 when Joel Dudley limped off and boy did Leinster make the extra man count, running in 3 tries in 5 minutes, the last of which as the clock rolled over to 52 minutes!! and the Leinster 15 broke out hearts with a fine conversion from out wide on the right.
Some of the lads were clearly distraught at the end and understandably so. It is such a shame that for so many fine players this is how their last home experience in Jersey will finish, instead of a final against our great friends and rivals Ealing. Shame on those who could not be bothered to applaud the lads for giving it all and some.
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Done on same basis as last year. Team with the best overall record.
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Why is it not at a neutral ground?
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Instead its at Vallis Way on the 5th May.
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But for the last nine minutes or so today, of giving the game to Leinster on a plate,  Angryyou would have had Jersey v Ealing as the final in Jersey......Confused
Come on Jersey........
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If it doesn't exclude a proper supporter I would love to see the final between two quality teams. Bedford v jersey at Gr was my hope but donnybrook or VW i
Will be a cracking game.
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Originally posted by Westcoaster Westcoaster wrote:

Don't ask says Brizzer !
Well it needs to be told.
That was the worst, most inept ten minutes I have ever seen from Jersey.
We bossed the game for seventy minutes, scrum was in the ascendancy, everyone was playing well with confidence and with no weak links.  The game was won with nine minutes left 27 to 9 to Jersey, and then what do we do.
Change the front row who got us into the commanding position, WHY ffs, throw the ball round as if we're playing Sevens, give away silly penalties, make further needless substitutions and the same mistakes with restart kicks.  Anyone who has ever played the game will know that with just a few minutes to go in such an important game , the VERY LAST thing you want to do is give the opposition the ball.
It was an utter brain fade by the Coaches as well as a few key players.  The final score came directly from Cope's restart kick. Just as against Nottingham last week, he wellies it as far as he can and the Leinster No 14 with so much time and space,  beats half a dozen players and from that score , they draw level, and have the conversion to win, duly done.
One of the biggest crowds of the season have every right to be utterly fed up, certainly no one near me was in any mood to cheer Jersey's players off the pitch. Bad decisions by the coaches, needless substitutions and a bonkers few minutes to hand the game to Leinster. I bet the Irish simply couldn't believe their good fortune.
I make no apologies if this sounds angry.
Just pleased that we won't see any more of Cope's stupid restarts for Jersey. Maybe next year, we can catch and score from them when he joins another club and we play against him    

I've just enjoyed a rather undersized duck breast and very tasty sautéed Jersey Royal potatoes - last of the 2017 crop from this corner of St Ouen so with the benefit of a glass or three of Malbec the carrot view. Jersey could only ever win that game against a wonderfully talented bunch of kids imo if they played ugly. They needed to bully Leinster and run through and over them and they did that for 70 odd minutes but its an 80 minute game. Leinster were faster, fitter, more skilful  & played for 80 minutes and deservedly won imo. Rugby won today. Thank goodness that full back kicked that conversion as if it had gone to extra time it could have been carnage and a huge defeat for Jersey. The coaches can look at the videos and will look at might have beens but well done Leinster and Jersey get over it. I'm going to Donny next Saturday and want more than Cow pie and a great curry. I disassociate myself from WC's remarks about Brendan Cope who imo has had a brilliant season and is probably the best 10 I've seen at this level after Jimmy Gopparth.

A really interesting end to the first half with Jersey granted a series of 5 metre penalties in front of the posts - reminded me of a wet night at Donnybrook a few years ago - but quality from decision making from Jersey to initially take scrums but when they became uncontested due to yellow cards to walk a try in on the right with spare men - probably the best thought out move of the day.  


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That is overly harsh WC. You may want to review after a good nights sleep.
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Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Ealing 36 - 16 Bedford

Comfortable win. A few easy kicks missed by both teams. Bed ford fans outnumbered Ealing by about 2-1. Thought gate of 1070 seemed a bit low. Rain in 2nd half a bit of a surprise. Wonder where the final will be.
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Don't ask says Brizzer !
Well it needs to be told.
That was the worst, most inept ten minutes I have ever seen from Jersey.
We bossed the game for seventy minutes, scrum was in the ascendancy, everyone was playing well with confidence and with no weak links.  The game was won with nine minutes left 27 to 9 to Jersey, and then what do we do.
Change the front row who got us into the commanding position, WHY ffs, throw the ball round as if we're playing Sevens, give away silly penalties, make further needless substitutions and the same mistakes with restart kicks.  Anyone who has ever played the game will know that with just a few minutes to go in such an important game , the VERY LAST thing you want to do is give the opposition the ball.
It was an utter brain fade by the Coaches as well as a few key players.  The final score came directly from Cope's restart kick. Just as against Nottingham last week, he wellies it as far as he can and the Leinster No 14 with so much time and space,  beats half a dozen players and from that score , they draw level, and have the conversion to win, duly done.
One of the biggest crowds of the season have every right to be utterly fed up, certainly no one near me was in any mood to cheer Jersey's players off the pitch. Bad decisions by the coaches, needless substitutions and a bonkers few minutes to hand the game to Leinster. I bet the Irish simply couldn't believe their good fortune.
I make no apologies if this sounds angry.
Just pleased that we won't see any more of Cope's stupid restarts for Jersey. Maybe next year, we can catch and score from them when he joins another club and we play against him    
Come on Jersey........
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Ealing 36 - 16 Bedford
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29-27 to Leinster FT. Don't ask!
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14-3 to Jersey HT. Leinster down to 13 for 1st 3/5 mins of 2nd half. Both props got YC’s
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