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    Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 09:33
According to the UKAD website a 40 year old player from a club at Level 6 has just been banned for 4 years following a drugs test.

Recreational drugs were becoming more of a problem when I finished in the mid 80's but the use of both recreational and performance enhancing drugs appears to be on the increase based on the limited information available to me.

Do forum members see this as a minor problem or a major issue - and are the RFU acting proportionally?
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A huge problem as the game has become size over skill. One N1/2 player in the NW, last year claimed that half dozen of his team mates were using/used steroids to be competitive.
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If that is the case - and if this is true elsewhere then shouldn't the RFU clamp down-hard?

Am I correct in stating that each club is fined a significant sum for every positive test?
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Chaps, doubtful to some extent numbers-wise for Nat 1/2 club, at National 1 Level the Testers will visit at least once if not twice in the season. They can turn up at training or at a game. Every player is potentially liable to testing although its usually two players picked at random match days. So if half a team are using and abusing then the chance of being caught goes from 3/1 to probably Evens.......... good odds from a game integrity point of view.
 
I don't think Clubs can be fined or docked points if a individual goes on a chemical training regime, unless of course they know about, document it and then get busted. What your star winger or your bench warming utility player for that matter puts into his system on a Friday night is something you can't control, if discovered I would suggest clubs would not play/select the player. But then again most clubs go by their own rules.
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It's not something that you tend to do on a Friday night PP. It's mostly done post season, with a very good time managed "post cycle therapy" the player can go undetected. Maintenance through the season at specific times becomes a toss of a coin, but masking agents exist for a reason & I can only think that "IF" any drugs tests are done during the season they will be pre notified at semi pro/amateur level, becoming very easy to get around.

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LF, if they are or have used Drugs of any form in the last few months they will be detected, UKAD/RFU are quite adept at the job. And no UKAD/RFU do NOT pre-notify anyone, at National 1 they will turn up about 1 hour before the game ask for the Team Sheets, ask both Team Managers or Coaches to blind select two cards numbered 1-20. then at full-time the UKAD/RFU officials will escort all four "selected" players off and ask them to provide samples. Its been know for players to still be sat with the officials for over an hour because they cant' pee. Two samples are taken, both are signed and sealed by the player and the UKAD official and that is that. Players not providing a TUE have failed tests in the past for using asthma inhalers.
Out of competition i.e pre-season they will turn up at a training session with a registered players list, they will ask who is present and ask again ask for two or more players to be selected for testing.
 
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If that's the case and tests are stringent then how is it happening. On a 5 live phone in this year on the use of performance enhancing drugs, a guy called up & admitted that sted use in both codes of rugby is rife, that he knows several of his friends, all rugby players are using. Let's hear how many boys have been caught in the national leagues? Is that coz no one is at it...or just getting away with it?
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There have been several cases if you search on RFU disciplinary results they should be listed there. As was explained on random testing it is a 1:10 chance of being selected but IMO it's not as big a problem now as previously.
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Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

There have been several cases if you search on RFU disciplinary results they should be listed there. As was explained on random testing it is a 1:10 chance of being selected but IMO it's not as big a problem now as previously.


Steroid use is through the roof across society. You only need look at young men in general. Body image alone is ingrained in the psyche from 15 through to mid thirties. Sportsmen will be among those numbers. Sale academy concentrate more on blo0dy gym work than skills training FFS. Size & power is uppermost in the thinking & the pressure put on boys is ridiculous & can lead them down a very dark alley.
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Interesting that I arrived at training tonight to be joined shortly afterwards by the drugs testers. 6 players were chosen in advance and this comes from the central DEA. Office and they have reserves if one of the originals are not at training. Speaking to the guy in charge as I have met him several times before he said that they are getting increased information on suspected drug use and a lot of checking now is less random.
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Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

There have been several cases if you search on RFU disciplinary results they should be listed there. As was explained on random testing it is a 1:10 chance of being selected but IMO it's not as big a problem now as previously.


Steroid use is through the roof across society. You only need look at young men in general. Body image alone is ingrained in the psyche from 15 through to mid thirties. Sportsmen will be among those numbers. Sale academy concentrate more on blo0dy gym work than skills training FFS. Size & power is uppermost in the thinking & the pressure put on boys is ridiculous & can lead them down a very dark alley.

At the top level it seems to me that bulking up is essential in order to compete/survive but not everybody can bulk up to the extent required - if you look at the training regimes of both Seb Coe and Mo Farah for example both use(d) heavy-ish weights regularly to improve strength not size whereas certain well known sprinters with a history of drug use certainly bulked up on steroids . 

As another poster has noted there is a new body culture with artificial means being used to save both time and effort to achieve that beach figure. Rugby players are increasingly recruited from non manual backgrounds so the natural strength acquired by farmers/miners/steelworkers/construction workers and the like is no longer so prevalent hence the temptation to resort to illegal substances.

It is good to hear that the issue is being addressed but this is a cultural as well as a sporting issue.
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