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    Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 14:33
I see the England winger got 2 weeks for a high tackle and abuse of 4th Official.
In the DMP v Blaydon match a player was cited to the RFU by a spectator for the use alledgedly of  foul language at a 17yr old ball boy. All from a distance of at least 7 metres. Incidentally he was French, speaking very average English. He got 7 weeks and because, due to Xmas and him being in France for the holidays the hearing was not held immediately. Meanwhile he had broken his thumb at work so his 7 weeks suspension did start until his plaster came off last week.
All of which means he will still be banned at the beginning of next season.
Needless to say he has gone home with fond memories of Blaydon and little else.

We play DMP next week and I wonder if she will turn up.Tongue

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote South Stand Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 14:42
French speaking maybe but he knew English well to enough scream abuse at a child loud enough for me to hear from the seats next to the tunnel

Edited by South Stand - 13 Apr 2016 at 14:51
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 14:50
He didn't stay around once match fees were out of the equation? What an absolute mercenary. I thought Blaydon were all local boys? #potkettle 
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Originally posted by South Stand South Stand wrote:

French speaking maybe but he knew English well to enough scream abuse at a child loud enough for me to hear from the seats next to the tunnel


Ditto there is no excuse or defence in this case. I also speak very average English so I fully understood what he said/shouted in this instance.

Edited by Soprano - 13 Apr 2016 at 15:15
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I suspect the 17 year old (a young adult) knew more swearwords than the person in question, however, that was not appropriate behaviour and as such he received the punishment deemed appropriate by the panel at the time of review. I suppose the point you were raising is that the delays in the panel sitting and making the ruling cost your team the player having even more time off the pitch.
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Might I point out that this child was 17 and old enough to be married without parental consent , have driving licence, and serve in the armed forces.
Perhaps if he had presented the ball properly, instead of rolling it along the ground there might have not been a problem.
Anyway none of you have addressed the point of differential sentencing.
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Without all the facts on both cases it is apples and oranges so we can't
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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

I suspect the 17 year old (a young adult) knew more swearwords than the person in question, however, that was not appropriate behaviour and as such he received the punishment deemed appropriate by the panel at the time of review. I suppose the point you were raising is that the delays in the panel sitting and making the ruling cost your team the player having even more time off the pitch.

Inconsistencies exist - I did mention by the panel at time of review as you are correct in there being inconsistencies.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 15:49
We all know of instances where there appears to be one rule for them (International and Premiership players and clubs) and one rule for the rest.
 
On these forums you see it regularly with regards inequality in suspensions, points deductions, fines and judications following financial issues at clubs. 
 
Just looking at the voting system for the recent Adult Competition Review showed what a farce the RFU Committee is; some counties getting two votes and voted against each other, Armed Forces voting, schools, higher education and women's rugby voting. It just didn't make sense to me.
 
Lastly, you must remember in the eyes of the RFU a 17 year old is a child/ minor even if playing adult rugby and must be treated as so!
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Originally posted by Dad Dad wrote:

Without all the facts on both cases it is apples and oranges so we can't

Well said. It is particularly difficult in this instance, given that reports of Watson's ban vary as to exactly what he was cited for and that the other example the OP has cited is one that he clearly has a highly polarised view of.
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What caused the abuse to the ball boy?
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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

What caused the abuse to the ball boy?

According to Bambros' post above, he was guilty of the terrible crime of rolling the ball to said player, rather than "presenting the ball properly". While it seems like a strange thing to do, I don't understand why it merits a tirade of abuse.
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All hookers like the ball presented properly and clean. If you have access to the dvd of the match you see consistently DMP get a cleaned ball in the proper manner and Blaydon`s was rolled on the ground.Hence the annoyance.
So much so that thye inquirey panel refered this to DMP to look into.

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We had a similar incident at Cinderford and the ref told the Cinderford bench to make sure that both teams received the same treatment
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Amongst some teenage ball boys, it will be deemed funny/clever to deliberately delay/ prevaricate over the return of the ball to the opposition.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedOrDead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 19:09
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

We had a similar incident at Cinderford and the ref told the Cinderford bench to make sure that both teams received the same treatment

You mean that your player affected reported this to the referee who took appropriate action. What a strange way of dealing with the situation!
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Rabbie,
Exactly my point
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote N W Watcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 19:40
Interesting issue this. How come only two weeks for the Bath and England player and seven weeks for a Blaydon player who is also French?   Before people say apples with oranges, we are talking about a differential of five weeks here for essentially the same offence.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote South Stand Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 19:55
Clean ball or not screaming cnut at a ball boy is unacceptable.

He shouldn't have been on the pitch by this point, he got away with more in one half than I have seen some teams in a whole season including one stunning right hook that 1300 people saw but 3 people missed but the standard of refereeing is a conversation for another day

But yes bans should be same whether you are in the 6 nations or national 1

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote N W Watcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 20:04
So as you say SS, the offence is similar to Watson's is foul and abusive language. Your opinion on events prior to that is not connected with the point that Bambros raised. Remember we are talking about a five week differential here.
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