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    Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 17:44
What I’d like to ask is what does everyone think of the standard in the division in comparison to the last couple of years or even 5 years or so ago?

I think the standard at the top is far off what it once was although the standard at the bottom has got much better. Is that a sign of teams wanting to stay in this division - not get relegated but not get promoted? I remember some top players in this league and now it seems like some names get mentioned on here but when you come up against them they are not what you expect.

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Originally posted by SlippedThroughTheNet SlippedThroughTheNet wrote:

What I’d like to ask is what does everyone think of the standard in the division in comparison to the last couple of years or even 5 years or so ago?

I think the standard at the top is far off what it once was although the standard at the bottom has got much better. Is that a sign of teams wanting to stay in this division - not get relegated but not get promoted? I remember some top players in this league and now it seems like some names get mentioned on here but when you come up against them they are not what you expect.

Not sure what you are getting at mate but in Premiership North promoted teams like Vale of Lune and Wilmslow are struggling whereas Alnwick who won Nat 2 East are doing very well.   I think the standard is probably better than what if was 5 years ago
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Maybe it is different up north but it seems a few years ago the standard of the best few teams in London Premier/National 3 L&SE was much higher than currently. Maybe at that time there were more teams intent on promotion to National 2.

I think now many teams in London Premier are content to stay there and not get promoted.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Joy of (Level) 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 09:39
I don't know about the changing standards at L5 but I think there is a gulf between L5 and L4, certainly between L5SW and L4S.

I guess it's always been there but now the difference in size, speed, skill and commitment is huge.
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Standard in Nat3Prem LSE is much higher than in recent years: I think the following criteria has contributed to this opinion.

The professionalism and standard of coaching is much higher.
The professionalism and standard of medical and physio support is a major factor to improved performance.
The training and playing facilities have vastly improved
The continuity of player development from mini to senior player in many cases creates a 'one club' ethos which IMO only benefits individual clubs.
In many cases players are on the cusp of semi-professionalism and £££ attract.

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Originally posted by FEZ ANT PLUCKER FEZ ANT PLUCKER wrote:

Standard in Nat3Prem LSE is much higher than in recent years: I think the following criteria has contributed to this opinion.

The professionalism and standard of coaching is much higher.
The professionalism and standard of medical and physio support is a major factor to improved performance.
The training and playing facilities have vastly improved
The continuity of player development from mini to senior player in many cases creates a 'one club' ethos which IMO only benefits individual clubs.
In many cases players are on the cusp of semi-professionalism and £££ attract.


Are Dorking still offering "Coaching" payments or are they still advertising as "one club"? It tends to change dependent on who you ask...Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote carlos fandango Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 11:58
The last couple of years have been unusual in LSE Prem in that for long parts of the season 4-6 teams were in with a shout. With less of a gap between top, middle and bottom it gives the impression of lower standards when in fact its just a levelling out.
So far this season I've seen Shelford, Guildford and Sutton at our place and can't honestly say I was massively impressed by any of them (or us!). The weather may have had something to do with it mind.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Starlord Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 12:23
Great question....!
I believe there is definitely a gulf between L4 & L5, with most (if not all) clubs in L4 "paying" their players some sort of fee for playing, (I only have anecdotal evidence having had similar chats with each visiting team's supporters).
 
I agree with an earlier message that overall the league is stronger, due to the points listed, but equally so has L4 advanced and I think has advanced further...eg Chinnor and Cinderford promoted to L3 this year and are holding top 3/4 positions in League!
 
In the past, teams that have been relegated have not been automatically been promoted the next year (Southend, WP, Hertford etc...) and I believe most likely this was due to players leaving the club en masse, with the only recent exception being Barnes, where they have managed to keep their squad hence they were able to bounce back up and have won 3 games to date. 
They were financially able to keep players and obviously add to their squad this year accordingly.
 
To answer the question, IMHO, I think the top 3 teams in L5 are not as strong as in the past, however overall the league is - would love to find out which clubs have the ambition to be promoted this year -
 
I also agree on an earlier comment about many teams not wanting to be both promoted or relegated.
 
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It is an interesting question, from what I've seen of this level in the past and this season it can be broken down to the two sets of players. Every team bar one we've played this season seem to have a very good, well drilled and well coached pack but I haven't seen a backline that stacks up in comparison. IMHO, individually the forwards are of a better quality than years past (obviously not all) and the standard of the backs has dropped. As is usually the case, there are exceptions, for me Dorking 10 and Hertford 15 were standout players in the teams we've played.

I've yet to see Westcliff or Wimbledon so that might change and maybe explain why they're at the top of the table, be interested to see what people think.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Maskedchicken Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 08:13
From the teams I have seen this season I wouldn’t say you were far off SeaSider. There isn’t too much free flowing rugby in the backlines of many teams. I was disappointed with Guildford after one or two of their backs being mentioned on this board. S&Es strength lies in their backs as it does with CS but most are more forward orientated.
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In this difficult N3LSE division would anyone like to predict the 6 teams that will occupy 5th position down to 10th position at the end of April 2019. For me this is far more interesting than predicting the top 2 and bottom 3. WinkWink

HERTFORD
TUNBRIDGE WELLS
TRING
SUTTON & EPSOM
GUILDFORD
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Top 4:
Wimbledon
Tring
Westcliff
Hertford

Mid table security:
Sidcup
Dorking
Guildford
S&E
TWs

Bottom 5:
CS Stags
Brentwood
Bedford A
Chingford
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Maskedchicken Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 07:47
Interesting that I’ve just put the 4 newcomers in the bottom 5 and the experienced London Premier teams in mid table security. I clearly believe that experience tells at the end of the day.
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Waiting for Guildford to explode? Not showing any signs yet.
 As the post Christmas slog sets in I think those clubs with smaller playing pools will start to struggle a bit. 
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I think this is a great league this season and like Nat One there are no runaway leaders, so rugby is the winner! There is a big step up for those from London One South/North and if you can survive your first season you have done well. Will be interesting to see Rochford Hundred, Camberley and Brighton next season as they have got their cheque books out and will they be able to sustain the cost of paying players at this level!

As for this league and this season it is still a bit early to predict and we will have a better idea by 15 December, but I think Wimbledon will be the outright winners with Sidcup coming second. The Cup are putting together some good results and now with nearly a full strength squad fit they are going to be tough to beat. Shelford put a good performance in against S&E but I just don't see where their first win is going to come from. Chingford need to start training twice a week if they want to stay up. 




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was chatting to a guy on the Brighton committee and he was adamant they don't pay their players. They simply don't have the money. A nice clubhouse etc but miles from anywhere so hiring out a bit tricky with the trip.
Makes me think 'is is possible to have a decent team without money inducements'?
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I wish I had a £1 for every "Committee man" who has told me his club don't pay players! I have no knowledge of clubs south of the Watford Gap but rumour up north is that big money is being spent even at fairly low levels. No objection to that by the way unless the result is bankruptcy!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 18:32
Originally posted by Truwblue Truwblue wrote:


was chatting to a guy on the Brighton committee and he was adamant they don't pay their players. They simply don't have the money. A nice clubhouse etc but miles from anywhere so hiring out a bit tricky with the trip.
Makes me think 'is is possible to have a decent team without money inducements'?
Why would a West London area prop who contacted Chobham asking if they were interested in him, to be told we don’t pay end up at Brighton who are 50 miles away?

As others have said, don’t believe all you’re told by committee members.
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45p per mile can be tempting - if your distances (6 x 50miles) are correct £135 per week
I don't know - just guessing!!!
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

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45p per mile can be tempting - if your distances (6 x 50miles) are correct £135 per week
I don't know - just guessing!!!

Wouldn’t he have just stayed on the M3 and gone to Camberley who are openly saying they’re paying?
Rucks and mauls may bust my balls, but whips and chains excite me!!
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