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    Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 22:23
The blackguards of English rugby are up to it again - the Barbarians fiasco has led to 8 Saracens players getting banned.

Joe Kpoku, Manu Vunipola - 3 weeks suspension for breaking covid protocol, suspended subject to community service plus 2 week suspension to be served immediately for lying to investigators.

Callum Clark, Sean Maitland, Tim Swinson - 4 week suspension, 3 weeks of which is suspended subject to community service plus 2 week suspension to be served immediately for lying.

Alex Lewington, Juan Pablo Socino, Jackson Wray - 5 week suspension, 3 weeks of which is suspended subject to community service, plus 2 week suspension to be served immediately for lying.

So here we are chaps - they'll be down to only 500 or so England caps worth of players to choose from for the first few games of the season. This is our chance to take them down. I mean, with Manu Vunipola out, who can they turn to? Just that Owen Farrell chap who was rubbish off the tee last weekend. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote covmick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 23:31
It's Saracens players who have been banned not the club.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 05:34
Originally posted by covmick covmick wrote:

It's Saracens players who have been banned not the club.

Wow. Just wow.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 07:31
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by covmick covmick wrote:

It's Saracens players who have been banned not the club.

Wow. Just wow.
What's 'Wow' about that?  Just clarifying that 'Saracens banned' is a misleading headline.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 08:20
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by covmick covmick wrote:

It's Saracens players who have been banned not the club.

Wow. Just wow.
What's 'Wow' about that?  Just clarifying that 'Saracens banned' is a misleading headline.

The potentially misleading headline is clarified pretty smartly, I don't see Gerg's 'offence' as being quite as serious as those he's sharing the news about. And there's also some pretty obvious tongue-in-cheek elements to what he's posted...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 09:10
Fair enough.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 09:14
That is how I read it too, Islander, very much tongue in cheek. I think I would rather face them later on in the season when all their international players are committed to other competitions than early doors still.
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Do we know when they serve the suspensions?
Manu at least presumably was i contention for England selection - so does missing those matches count?
The others presumably only start when Saracens play competitive matches.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 12:32
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Do we know when they serve the suspensions?
Manu at least presumably was i contention for England selection - so does missing those matches count?
The others presumably only start when Saracens play competitive matches.

A good question. The RFU judgement just said "immediately." I would note that Manu is the young fly half cousin to Mako and Billy, so not sure he is on Eddie's immediate radar.

I indeed was being tongue-in-cheek with my original post. I just get a bit frustrated at times when so many conversations on here devolve into arguments over facts.
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Manu not in the same class as Simons and Smith.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 18:38
Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

That is how I read it too, Islander, very much tongue in cheek. I think I would rather face them later on in the season when all their international players are committed to other competitions than early doors still.

the 6N starts on 6 Feb - it remains to be seen how much Championship rugby - if any - will be played before then...
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Do we know when they serve the suspensions?
Manu at least presumably was i contention for England selection - so does missing those matches count?
The others presumably only start when Saracens play competitive matches.


From what I read they will serve their sentances through December - so effectively won't miss any competitive games.

If that is indeed correct, it isn't much of a punishment.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Taffy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 21:35
5 Saracens players broke lock-down rules back in May when they were out in St. Albans. The club reminded the squad back then of their responsibilities to themselves and the community.
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Originally posted by Taffy Taffy wrote:

5 Saracens players broke lock-down rules back in May when they were out in St. Albans. The club reminded the squad back then of their responsibilities to themselves and the community.


That worked well then didn't it.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Taffy Taffy wrote:

5 Saracens players broke lock-down rules back in May when they were out in St. Albans. The club reminded the squad back then of their responsibilities to themselves and the community.


That worked well then didn't it.

You have to laugh at the hypocrisy of the Cheats reminding their players of their responsibilities don't you?
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Do we know when they serve the suspensions?
Manu at least presumably was i contention for England selection - so does missing those matches count?
The others presumably only start when Saracens play competitive matches.


From what I read they will serve their sentances through December - so effectively won't miss any competitive games.

If that is indeed correct, it isn't much of a punishment.

Where did you read this 999? I've never heard of players serving suspensions during the off-season. Maybe it's a different arrangement if it's a non-playing offence? Sarries have a match this Saturday, v Tigers XV, I suppose that might count...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 2020 at 07:26
Didn't Marler serve his suspension for 'fondlegate' during the first month of lockdown?
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Do we know when they serve the suspensions?
Manu at least presumably was i contention for England selection - so does missing those matches count?
The others presumably only start when Saracens play competitive matches.


From what I read they will serve their sentances through December - so effectively won't miss any competitive games.

If that is indeed correct, it isn't much of a punishment.

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Where did you read this 999? I've never heard of players serving suspensions during the off-season. Maybe it's a different arrangement if it's a non-playing offence? Sarries have a match this Saturday, v Tigers XV, I suppose that might count...


On the Internet in the article that stated the length of the suspensions. Also don't forget it is not off-season at the highest level.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 2020 at 13:54
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Do we know when they serve the suspensions?
Manu at least presumably was i contention for England selection - so does missing those matches count?
The others presumably only start when Saracens play competitive matches.


From what I read they will serve their sentances through December - so effectively won't miss any competitive games.

If that is indeed correct, it isn't much of a punishment.

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Where did you read this 999? I've never heard of players serving suspensions during the off-season. Maybe it's a different arrangement if it's a non-playing offence? Sarries have a match this Saturday, v Tigers XV, I suppose that might count...


On the Internet in the article that stated the length of the suspensions. Also don't forget it is not off-season at the highest level.

"On the internet" - helpful, thanks!

Saracens don't currently play at the highest level... Confused
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 2020 at 14:54
Looking at regulation 19, the player's club is meant to provide the disciplinary panel a list of forthcoming meaningful matches and the suspension should list the specific start and end dates of the suspension based on thatinformation.

obviously in this case Championship clubs cannot provide that.

However, i do not believe that you can serve a suspension in the off season and I do nto believe pre season games count - though you can be suspended for action in such games.

But we need to see the official judgement to be sure.

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