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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Originally posted by Intouch Intouch wrote:

I have pointed out a couple of clubs, it could have been many, so lets get this straight, I'm not having a dig at them in anyway, I'm pointing out what I can see are facts.


The loss of rugby is a pain, but not as much as COVID-19. As you say, I cannot see any reason to start rugby until a vaccine is found.

The loss of income for clubs is twofold, firstly rugby income - gate, bar, sponsorship but secondly the income from use of the clubhouse and grounds during the day and in the summer for corporate days, conferences, birthday parties and a host of other types. 

This is the income that will be truly missed on the assumption that rugby income covers players costs that are not now being spent, leaving the core overhead of the club infrastructure to be met met or considerably contributed to, from non-rugby sources which are now negated.

Some clubs can meet this deficit from historic reserves, others not.


I think most clubs will find sponsorship heavily scaled back this coming season. I also think a number of clubs are already signing new players on - is that wise when the new season start date is still up in the air, I'm not so sure.
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May be contracts will not be the case, but pay per play applied. 
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Even if you only pay match fee, you still need a contract.
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maybe we should go back to Amateur but what would happen to the crowds over and above loyal followers
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Reading through this thread I have to say I on this occasion disagree with most, looking an an annual salary cap of £250k with a squad of say 40 players would mean an annual fee per player of £6,250, if you take into consideration travel, training 2 or 3 times per week. Along with potentially of injury and risk of being off work (the day job for non professional) it is a very low figure. 

Furthermore, if you take each club and say they have (for arguments sake) 3 players who are full time at £25K each it leaves only around £4.7k per player in the rest of the squad, there are a number of teams who travel on a Friday, meaning players take the day off, if this is 12 times per year they could be looking at either using holidays or taking unpaid leave for these days again at the players cost. 

I think it is a fair payment in truth looking at the above, and I would ask the question of any professional person, would they risk their day job income to turn out on a Saturday afternoon for our pleasure for what could be a couple of hundred pounds on a pay as you play basis 
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Originally posted by front5 front5 wrote:


I think it is a fair payment in truth looking at the above, and I would ask the question of any professional person, would they risk their day job income to turn out on a Saturday afternoon for our pleasure for what could be a couple of hundred pounds on a pay as you play basis 

 
They did in the amateur days.......
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Originally posted by Moseley Mauler Moseley Mauler wrote:

Originally posted by front5 front5 wrote:


I think it is a fair payment in truth looking at the above, and I would ask the question of any professional person, would they risk their day job income to turn out on a Saturday afternoon for our pleasure for what could be a couple of hundred pounds on a pay as you play basis 

 
They did in the amateur days.......


Apart from the envelopes in their boots at the end of the game
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A fiver in 1970 would be worth more than £150 today.
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And the rest, in 1973 the shop I worked n the assistant manager earned £19 pounds a week, I as a junior earned £4 imagine how I felt in Jan 74 I joined the RN and got 100% pay rise to £8 a week, I thought I was a millionaire 
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Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

And the rest, in 1973 the shop I worked n the assistant manager earned £19 pounds a week, I as a junior earned £4 imagine how I felt in Jan 74 I joined the RN and got 100% pay rise to £8 a week, I thought I was a millionaire 


Not to mention the free food and lodgings
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

And the rest, in 1973 the shop I worked n the assistant manager earned £19 pounds a week, I as a junior earned £4 imagine how I felt in Jan 74 I joined the RN and got 100% pay rise to £8 a week, I thought I was a millionaire 


Not to mention the free food and lodgings

And the wardroom rates.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

A fiver in 1970 would be worth more than £150 today. Really? £65 / 70 would be nearer I suggest from my ancient memory. 
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I think the fag packet calculation is that money doubles in value every 10 years, so:

1970 £5
1980 £10
1990 £20
2000 £40
2010 £80
2020 £160

So £150 is about right, but not sure you should believe everything written on the back of a fag packet.
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Originally posted by Saturnate Saturnate wrote:

I think the fag packet calculation is that money doubles in value every 10 years, so:

1970 £5
1980 £10
1990 £20
2000 £40
2010 £80
2020 £160

So £150 is about right, but not sure you should believe everything written on the back of a fag packet.


I'm afraid you are way off.

According to inflation figures £5 in 1970 would be worth £77.85 today - Camquin however was fairly close, benefit of being old perhaps

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2020 at 13:25
Actually I used


And was looking at the income equivalence.
I was 6 in 1970 and saving up for Airfix kits which I remember being 5/- and now seem to be about £10.


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£5 was equivalent to 40 pints in 1970 (2s/6d) - I'll let you do the maths Embarrassed

Mind you, Mild was 1s/10d - so 11 pints/£1 = 55 pints .......



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So one night in the bar for most props. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2020 at 17:23
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

£5 was equivalent to 40 pints in 1970 (2s/6d) - I'll let you do the maths Embarrassed

Mind you, Mild was 1s/10d - so 11 pints/£1 = 55 pints .......



Problem is, everyone knows beer prices have increased by over the rate of inflation over the past 50 years.

You have to look at total rate of inflation - not just one area
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I expected that my post would get the "boot money" responses. But to be serious for a minute, in those amateur days the players gave it everything and injuries requiring time off work happened. So what is different? And it is not the ferocity of the game - the hits were equal when based upon the fitness and size of the players. Anyone fancy Pete Shillingford from Moseley tackling you in 1987?
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Originally posted by front5 front5 wrote:

Reading through this thread I have to say I on this occasion disagree with most, looking an an annual salary cap of £250k with a squad of say 40 players would mean an annual fee per player of £6,250, if you take into consideration travel, training 2 or 3 times per week. Along with potentially of injury and risk of being off work (the day job for non professional) it is a very low figure. 

Furthermore, if you take each club and say they have (for arguments sake) 3 players who are full time at £25K each it leaves only around £4.7k per player in the rest of the squad, there are a number of teams who travel on a Friday, meaning players take the day off, if this is 12 times per year they could be looking at either using holidays or taking unpaid leave for these days again at the players cost. 

I think it is a fair payment in truth looking at the above, and I would ask the question of any professional person, would they risk their day job income to turn out on a Saturday afternoon for our pleasure for what could be a couple of hundred pounds on a pay as you play basis 

Full time?  It’s the third tier of rugby!
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