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    Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 12:05

Championship Cup Round 2 - Match Officials

Bedford Blues vs Hartpury College
Referee: George Selwood
Assistant referees: Nick Marshall, Lionel Spooner
Assessor: Stephen Leyshon

Nottingham vs Doncaster Knights
Referee: Tim Wigglesworth
Assistant referees: Peter Brunt, Paul Burton
Assessor: Peter Farrell

Richmond vs Ealing Trailfinders
Referee: Dean Richards
Assistant referees: Simon Park, Gareth Holsgrove
Assessor: Sam Collins

Jersey vs London Scottish
Referee: Matt Turvey
Assistant referees: Simon Adams, Nigel Carrick
Assessor: Andrew Vertigan

Coventry vs Yorkshire Carnegie
Referee: Neil Chivers
Assistant referees: Gregory Garner, Jamie Leahy
Assessor: Lloyd Jackson

London Irish vs Cornish Pirates
Referee: Alexander Thomas
Assistant referees: Peter Brunt, Ian Bibey
Assessor: Stephen Leyshon
 
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Any news from the Knights/Cov fans on how Matt Turvey officiated your game last weekend? I see that Mr. Turvey is new to the PGMOT panel and is clearly being given the chance to cut his cloth in this competition (as are others).
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Any news from the Knights/Cov fans on how Matt Turvey officiated your game last weekend? I see that Mr. Turvey is new to the PGMOT panel and is clearly being given the chance to cut his cloth in this competition (as are others).

35 penalties. 18 against Donny, 17 against Coventry.
In the first half, he seemed a strong 'homer' - I hate to think what the ratio was in the first 20 minutes. Obviously it swung back in the second half.
Missed what looked to me like a couple of 'head highs' that would have been probable cards before the experimental law.
Totally ignored a tackle on a Cov winger which took him into and over the hoardings and into the seating - the Cov playuer offloaded cleanly several metres infield, the tackle continued until he was on the ground on the tarmac, and the ref followed the ball through until Cov scored.

If you're interested in that last one. the highlights videop is at http://www.coventryrugby.co.uk/2018/11/12/doncaster-knights-v-coventry-rugby-match-highlights/ 

The attack in question starts with a right wing lineout at  3' 05", has a great break by Andy Bulumakau  (in red cap) in midfield, after he was tackled ended up with Junior Bulumakau about 3.5m in from the left touchline @ 3'31" who offloads from 2m infield at 3':32" and is still being tackled out of play at 3'33"-3'34" as the camera tracks away and he hots the hpoardings.  The two Bulumakau brothers ended up that score with both physio teams treating them, one on the piutch, one off.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 15:14
Oh my word. That is a lot of penalties. Perhaps we should extract the pea out of Mr. Turvey's whistle before kick off.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OldNick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 15:29
I've just updated my comments above slightly. 

It was an awful lot of penalties, disrupted the game badly, but between them it was an exciting game. Particularly annoying seeing the ball carrier being penalised at the tackle a couple of times for not releasing the ball before their knee had hit the ground.


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Of course all of the failures by sir were for infringements committed by Doncaster players on Coventry, there was not a one missed the other way round Ermm

The lad was given a chance to officiate at this level, was a tad out of his depth and didn't control the players very well - hence the penalty count. Will he get better at it? I guess the cup pool stages is a good opportunity for him to get used to it, I wouldn't want him officiating when things are more meaningful without getting more experience.

P.S. The penalty count was so one sided in the first twenty minutes because we were all over you like a rash, you eventually found your footing and got into the game thus things turned around. Although scrappy it was exciting at times.


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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

Of course all of the failures by sir were for infringements committed by Doncaster players on Coventry, there was not a one missed the other way round Ermm

Nowhere did I say that and putting a smiley on the end does not make your comment any less insulting or more accurate. The one example I gave was one where I stated that the referee followed the action and missed a very clear offence, but I did not suggest that he was biased.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 09:11
Referees must surely gain experience by managing games. All these lads have experience at N1 and have the benefit of assessors and coaches to take their skills to the next level. They make errors but so do players who knock on and miss tackles but the game would not exist if we didn't have a stream of these guys trying there best. IMO errors happen and we hope they even out over time but referee bias should never exist and nor should sledging from players or supporters. Boring rant over!
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Personally, I'm more than happy with the team of three for our game this weekend.

However, I reserve the right to change that comment depending on the result lol.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 12:24
Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

Of course all of the failures by sir were for infringements committed by Doncaster players on Coventry, there was not a one missed the other way round Ermm

Nowhere did I say that and putting a smiley on the end does not make your comment any less insulting or more accurate. The one example I gave was one where I stated that the referee followed the action and missed a very clear offence, but I did not suggest that he was biased.

OldNick it was not intended to cause offence, for that I apologise to you, however I was just joking about factoring in the 18/17 penalty count sir still managed to miss quite a lot more that probably did merit a whistle blast. As stated wouldn't want him officiating when things really count i.e. in the knock out stages or in the league.

And surely if the offence you refer to was deemed as deliberate off the ball foul play would it not be cited? (this is a genuine question because I don't know the procedure for these things)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 12:32
Every single ref - even Nigel Owens - had a first game, and a first game at whatever level.


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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

OldNick it was not intended to cause offence, for that I apologise to you, however I was just joking about factoring in the 18/17 penalty count sir still managed to miss quite a lot more that probably did merit a whistle blast. As stated wouldn't want him officiating when things really count i.e. in the knock out stages or in the league.
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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

And surely if the offence you refer to was deemed as deliberate off the ball foul play would it not be cited? (this is a genuine question because I don't know the procedure for these things)
I don't know the citing procedure in the cup. Certainly in the Championship it is the role of an independent citing commissioner - although the clubs can draw incidents to their attention. Certainly when Bedford played Coventry at the start of the season, they drew attention to two incidents. In one (the more serious one medically) he decided it was a 50:50 rugby incident and refused to cite. In the other he went ahead with it.
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Pool Standings after first round - Irish then Yorkies leading the pack:


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A bit early CC. It's actually easier to stay in this competition at the group stages than to get knocked out of it!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 16:37
You are right Brizzer but seeding in the knock out stages is important and its well worth looking at the regulations to understand how it all works:

Most teams will go through but only four will secure home advantage in the quarter finals and that is surely significant.
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Pool Standings after first round - Irish then Yorkies leading the pack:

Thanks CC for showing me where the tables are.
I had emailed to the pitiful beeb on Sunday, as they still only show last season's B&I Cup tables, to ask if they were planning to take down the B&I and put up the Championship Cup before the 2nd round.
Suffice it to say, no reply nor efficient input yet!!
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Originally posted by bluesladyfan bluesladyfan wrote:

Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Pool Standings after first round - Irish then Yorkies leading the pack:

Thanks CC for showing me where the tables are.
I had emailed to the pitiful beeb on Sunday, as they still only show last season's B&I Cup tables, to ask if they were planning to take down the B&I and put up the Championship Cup before the 2nd round.
Suffice it to say, no reply nor efficient input yet!!
You are welcome BLF although I fear I spread some fake news in that Irish & Yorkies may not be leading the pack as another club has five points and more tries scored than Irish which appears to be the secondary test. Yorkies I believe lead on 6 tries and the better points difference and Irish I believe are third -mea culpa - for which I apologise although far too early to be meaningful. I guess everyone is awaiting team announcements before predicting results - it worked for Brizzer last round.

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Pleased to say Pat Tapley is making his long-awaited return for the Blues on Friday!

starting line-up:
15. Harry Davies
14. Pat Tapley
13. Rich Lane
12. Chris Czekaj
11. Dean Adamson
10. Lewis Robling
9. James Lennon
 
1. Toby Trinder
2. Jacob Fields
3. Alex Penny
4. Ed Taylor ©
5. Mark Flanagan
6. Justin Blanchet
7. Josh Buggea
8. Jarad Williams
 
Replacements:
16. Charlie Clare
17. Hayden King
18. Ben Cooper
19. Will Carrick-Smith
20. Alex Rae
21. Alex Gliksten
22. Ed Coulson

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Nottingham have chosen a strong team for Friday's home clash against Donny Knights. 

15. Sean Scanlon
14. Jack Spittle
13. Will Millett
12. Luke Peters
11. Billy Robinson
10. Gearoid Lyons
9. Darryl Veenendaal (C)
1. James Penman
2. Luke Cole
3. Mike Daniels
4. Llewelyn Jones
5. Danny Qualter
6. Shane Buckley
7. Jordan Coghlan
8. Josh Poullet

Replacements:

16. Jake Farnworth
17. Thornton
18. Oisin Heffernan
19. Tim Cardall
20. George Cox
21. Murray McConnell
22. Joe Cobden

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The Knights are pretty threadbare at the moment, 6 out injured and 4 on international duty. This cup window is good for us, love it or hate it.

1. Hislop 2. Malcolm 3. Sproston 4. Challinor © 5. Eames 6. Ryan 7. Booth 8. Pitman

Replacements: 16. Nelson 17. Williams 18. Quigley 19. Hunter 20. Jarvis 21. Connon 22. Hayes

Full team posted later

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