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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Hoffee Hoffee wrote:

What have crowds been like in the cup so far? Poor today in Penzance, possibly 1000, just.


550 was the official number at Ealing. A lively game, Reds pleased with the win, ET relieved to turn what was a zero-point haul with 4 mins to go into 2 BPs...
 
It was encouraging to see Ealing have the smarts to get the two points - they've lacked that a few times this season, not taking points when they should. I'd believe 550, but I'd also believe that 200 of them were Jersey supporters, and they brought a cow bell each!
As one of the Jersey supporters yesterday its well worth recording a vote of thanks to Trailfinders for agreeing to the 2pm kick off which allowed me and I am sure many other travelling supporters to arrange travel plans which avoided the expense of an overnight hotel. The friendly banter between home & away supporters is surely an essential feature of Championship rugby and imo clubs like Ealing who make relatively small changes to accommodate the travel plans of away teams do the game a great service.  

It would be great if Ealing could include the recording of the dead ball incident where the ball was kicked forward and ended up with a Jersey player touching down in the in goal area with no one appearing clear whether it had actually gone out of play or not. The referee eventually gave a five metre scrum to Ealing so its largely academic but it certainly created interest at the time.


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Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

I imagine it will be just season ticket holders who will turn up for Blues on Friday.
I'm one and I won't be there!!!  Tried all weekend to pass it on to one of my mates to use and no-one interested!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dan Gleebles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2018 at 11:11
Not a Blues season ticket holder but I will be there. Beer, rugby and a Nos's chilli and chips. What's not to like.
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Hoffee Hoffee wrote:

What have crowds been like in the cup so far? Poor today in Penzance, possibly 1000, just.


550 was the official number at Ealing. A lively game, Reds pleased with the win, ET relieved to turn what was a zero-point haul with 4 mins to go into 2 BPs...

 
It was encouraging to see Ealing have the smarts to get the two points - they've lacked that a few times this season, not taking points when they should. I'd believe 550, but I'd also believe that 200 of them were Jersey supporters, and they brought a cow bell each!
As one of the Jersey supporters yesterday its well worth recording a vote of thanks to Trailfinders for agreeing to the 2pm kick off which allowed me and I am sure many other travelling supporters to arrange travel plans which avoided the expense of an overnight hotel. The friendly banter between home & away supporters is surely an essential feature of Championship rugby and imo clubs like Ealing who make relatively small changes to accommodate the travel plans of away teams do the game a great service.  

<font style=": rgb255, 255, 255;">It would be great if Ealing could include the recording of the dead ball incident where the ball was kicked forward and ended up with a Jersey player touching down in the in goal area with no one appearing clear whether it had actually gone out of play or not. The referee eventually gave a five metre scrum to Ealing so its largely academic but it certainly created interest at the time.


Yes, I was listening to this incident on the radio and I have to say Islander you did sound a little lost for words in trying to describe what had happened and how it ended with an ET 5 mtr scrum. I too am trying to work out in what circumstances this could happen and the only answer that I can come up with was your suggestion that maybe Van Dam knocked on at some point, but if the ball went dead then it would still be a 22 drop out wouldn't it?
Given the dominance of the Reds in the scrum, I couldn't see ET taking that option so close to their line if they had the choice between a drop out or scrum re-start....very strange.
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No if either side knock on in or into the in-goal and there needs to be a restart, that restart is a 5m scrum to the non-offending side.

Advantage can be played, if the defenders knock on the attackers can ground the ball for a try. If the attackers knock on, the defenders can run the ball.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

No if either side knock on in or into the in-goal and there needs to be a restart, that restart is a 5m scrum to the non-offending side.

Advantage can be played, if the defenders knock on the attackers can ground the ball for a try. If the attackers knock on, the defenders can run the ball.
 
Alright, I wasn't going to mention this as I thought it might come off as sour grapes, but I was in a very good position at the ground to see this and paying attention. Here is what happened:
 
1. Drop goal attempt from about the 22 missed wide.
2. Ball landed about 1.5 meters out of the field of play and bounced back in.
3. Sir was badly out of position, but excusable as the drop goal was quite sudden.
4. Ealing assumed that it was dead ball 22 drop out, but no whistle blew.
5. Jersey player dove for the ball, but instead of getting downward pressure, he batted it and the ball clearly spun around.
6. Sir awarded a 5 metre scrum to Ealing on the basis of the knock on.
 
I believe that this passage of play then led to a final Jersey score, but it certainly brought up lively debate from the supporters around the pitch.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2018 at 13:04
So it should have been a 22 but Sir and his assistants were unsighted and Jersey played to the whistle - as they should have been taught to do since they were playing tag.





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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

No if either side knock on in or into the in-goal and there needs to be a restart, that restart is a 5m scrum to the non-offending side.

Advantage can be played, if the defenders knock on the attackers can ground the ball for a try. If the attackers knock on, the defenders can run the ball.

 
Alright, I wasn't going to mention this as I thought it might come off as sour grapes, but I was in a very good position at the ground to see this and paying attention. Here is what happened:
 
1. Drop goal attempt from about the 22 missed wide.
2. Ball landed about 1.5 meters out of the field of play and bounced back in.
3. Sir was badly out of position, but excusable as the drop goal was quite sudden.
4. Ealing assumed that it was dead ball 22 drop out, but no whistle blew.
5. Jersey player dove for the ball, but instead of getting downward pressure, he batted it and the ball clearly spun around.
6. Sir awarded a 5 metre scrum to Ealing on the basis of the knock on.
 
I believe that this passage of play then led to a final Jersey score, but it certainly brought up lively debate from the supporters around the pitch.


Thanks Gerg 861, that makes perfect sense to what transpired and the events clearly had the commentary team very confused (understandably so).
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Sorry, thinking about this a little more. In that case, if the Jersey player had have grounded the ball, then Sir would have awarded a try?....glad that this scenario didn't play out.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2018 at 14:15
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

No if either side knock on in or into the in-goal and there needs to be a restart, that restart is a 5m scrum to the non-offending side.

Advantage can be played, if the defenders knock on the attackers can ground the ball for a try. If the attackers knock on, the defenders can run the ball.
 
Alright, I wasn't going to mention this as I thought it might come off as sour grapes, but I was in a very good position at the ground to see this and paying attention. Here is what happened:
 
1. Drop goal attempt from about the 22 missed wide.
2. Ball landed about 1.5 meters out of the field of play and bounced back in.
3. Sir was badly out of position, but excusable as the drop goal was quite sudden.
4. Ealing assumed that it was dead ball 22 drop out, but no whistle blew.
5. Jersey player dove for the ball, but instead of getting downward pressure, he batted it and the ball clearly spun around.
6. Sir awarded a 5 metre scrum to Ealing on the basis of the knock on.
 
I believe that this passage of play then led to a final Jersey score, but it certainly brought up lively debate from the supporters around the pitch.
 

Thanks Gerg 861 great summary. I was also at that end of the ground near the 5 metre line clubhouse side but paying about as much attention as the match officials and didn't notice the ball bounce out of play but very happy to now accept that it did. Through my myopic Jersey eyesight I had no problem with the "grounding" which looked fine to me but thankfully nothing hung on these decisions in terms of the final result. 
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< ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0">Good to meet you again Corporalcarrot and I can confirm that Mark Tampin received his two packs of  Jersey Beer and thanked you for it. I suggested that he might share some of it with his fellow players but he said that on that performance they never deserved any !.
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

 

Thanks Gerg 861, that makes perfect sense to what transpired and the events clearly had the commentary team very confused (understandably so).

In the commentary team's defence Wink they were stationed in the last two seats at the opposite (east) end of the stand at VW, so around 80 metres from the disallowed touch-down, looking into the setting sun... and may also need to go to SpecSavers! Thought our top-level ref had a decent game overall, but he and his assistants were a bit distracted for this incident!
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:


Highlights worth a look.


Lots of power and strength from backs as well as forwards. No replay of the 'dead ball' incident though CC, so Islander will never know what he missed. Maybe Mrs. Islander will sneak some binoculars into his Christmas stocking this year
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:


Highlights worth a look.


Lots of power and strength from backs as well as forwards. No replay of the 'dead ball' incident though CC, so Islander will never know what he missed. Maybe Mrs. Islander will sneak some binoculars into his Christmas stocking this year
Cheers Brizzer. I have been to Vallis Way loads of times and never noticed before the real impact playing into the sun has there. I usually watch from the 5m line at the end Jersey are attacking and actually moved before half time because I couldn't face looking west any more. In the second half the Ealing fly Half had at least three restarts coming straight out of the sun and his forwards recovered the ball each time. In fact in the second half I think the Honey Badger was probably the only Jersey player to successfully field a restart! Loads of errors will have the coaches wincing but surely a brilliant result. 
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

As one of the Jersey supporters yesterday its well worth recording a vote of thanks to Trailfinders for agreeing to the 2pm kick off which allowed me and I am sure many other travelling supporters to arrange travel plans which avoided the expense of an overnight hotel. The friendly banter between home & away supporters is surely an essential feature of Championship rugby and imo clubs like Ealing who make relatively small changes to accommodate the travel plans of away teams do the game a great service.  


There's been a mutual agreement between Jersey & the 3 London clubs to have earlier KOs for most games this season. This allows the visiting team to get home after the match, and supporters have the option of doing the same if they wish...
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