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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 13:57
Originally posted by LHTT LHTT wrote:

Well well, it's amazing what you learn about your own club when off-topic!
 


Tut tut, LHTT. For someone who is tasked with keeping the rest of us up to date, you do seem to be behind the news.
Had you attended the AGM some weeks ago you would have been given details of most of the newcomers.
Had you attended any of the pre-season training sessions you would already have seen them in action.

Hope to see you at the Open Day on August 10.

Edited by Longtime - 01 Aug 2013 at 13:58
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 14:00
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Is this the same Dave Marshall who played at Ionians season before last ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 20:14
I've been enjoying a well-earned break from all things oval since the Lions, much to Mrs LHTT's approval, besides, I just recycle the tittle-tattle I read on here, you know that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 22:26
Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

Originally posted by N W Watcher N W Watcher wrote:

...I think N7 was speculating on this season coming, rather than last season, looking at his post Bambros...

Undoubtedly, but similar predictions have been made in the last couple of off seasons and have come to very little, so it would be interesting to know what will be different this time.

Peter Hodgkinson,Sam Shires , Lewis Brown and other new players will make the difference.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2013 at 00:07
Well having spoken to our new chairman the news is even better and we have a lot of sponsorship flooding into the Club.This is not hype because I signed up a new sponsor today and will follow up some interest tomorrow.We usually match the other teams on talent but now we have the funds to back iit up.A great new coach in Leggie(Yousef is a hard act to follow but I think Leggie can do it)and aninspirational chairman so the future so bright I got to wear shades
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2013 at 11:04
For those curious about the arrivals at Blackheath, here is the list.

Richard CULLEY (Prop) from Ealing
Bertie HASKINS (Prop) from Exeter
Nigel BERRY (Prop) from Exmouth
Nik GRIUR (Hooker) from Southend
Harry FRY (Hooker) from Westcombe Park
Ryan JACKSON (Hooker) from Stockport
Matthew ROGERSON (Second Row) from Loughborough Students
Alvise FARAON (Back Row) from Mogliano (Italy)
Jesse LISTON (Back Row) returning from Canterbury
George BETROLIS (Back Row) returning from University
George ORAM (Back Row) from Medway
Richard PADDICK (Back Row) returning from Bromley
Seb NEGAL-TAYLOR (Back Row) from Barking
Jake BEDDING (Scrum Half) from Thurrock
Daniel NEWLANDS (Scrum Half) from Llandovery
David MARSHALL (Fly Half) from Brothers Australia / Nottingham
Cormac O’FLYNN (Fly Half) from Ulster
Lewis Roberts (Fly Half) from St Peters
Simon WHATLING (Centre) from London Welsh
Oli EVANS (Centre) from Bath
Markus BURCHAN (Centre) returning from Thurrock
Chris O’NEIL (Centre) from Westcombe Park
Mike BAYSETT (Centre) from Stockport
Joe HARDY (Wing) from Thurrock
Leo SAVAGE (Wing) from university
Akin SOLANKE-CAULKER (Wing) returning from Barking
Hamish GRAHAM (Full back) from Dungannon
Mark BRYANT (Fullback) from Tring
Mark FREEMAN (Fullback) from university

Several more are expected to join within the next few weeks.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2013 at 13:07
Akin Solanke-Caulker returning!? He's been to every Club in London, we got him from school and he went on to Ealing, then appeared at Rosslyn Park .....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2013 at 13:36
Originally posted by Longtime Longtime wrote:

For those curious about the arrivals at Blackheath, here is the list.

Richard CULLEY (Prop) from Ealing
Bertie HASKINS (Prop) from Exeter
Nigel BERRY (Prop) from Exmouth
Nik GRIUR (Hooker) from Southend
Harry FRY (Hooker) from Westcombe Park
Ryan JACKSON (Hooker) from Stockport
Matthew ROGERSON (Second Row) from Loughborough Students
Alvise FARAON (Back Row) from Mogliano (Italy)
Jesse LISTON (Back Row) returning from Canterbury
George BETROLIS (Back Row) returning from University
George ORAM (Back Row) from Medway
Richard PADDICK (Back Row) returning from Bromley
Seb NEGAL-TAYLOR (Back Row) from Barking
Jake BEDDING (Scrum Half) from Thurrock
Daniel NEWLANDS (Scrum Half) from Llandovery
David MARSHALL (Fly Half) from Brothers Australia / Nottingham
Cormac O’FLYNN (Fly Half) from Ulster
Lewis Roberts (Fly Half) from St Peters
Simon WHATLING (Centre) from London Welsh
Oli EVANS (Centre) from Bath
Markus BURCHAN (Centre) returning from Thurrock
Chris O’NEIL (Centre) from Westcombe Park
Mike BAYSETT (Centre) from Stockport
Joe HARDY (Wing) from Thurrock
Leo SAVAGE (Wing) from university
Akin SOLANKE-CAULKER (Wing) returning from Barking
Hamish GRAHAM (Full back) from Dungannon
Mark BRYANT (Fullback) from Tring
Mark FREEMAN (Fullback) from university

Several more are expected to join within the next few weeks.

Crikey. What happened to last years team? Blackheath thirds are going to pretty handy if any of these are any good.

(Its Rugby Jim, but not as we ooop North know it.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2013 at 13:37
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Is this the same Dave Marshall who played at Ionians season before last ?
 
I guess it is, he signed for Roth after leaving Nottingham and then moved with very little announcement to Ionians after playing in pre-season and (I think from memory) the odd B&I Cup game.
 
Player departures in the Bester years operated a bit like Pinochet's Chile though, so there's nothing in the way of media releases to support that.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2013 at 16:27
Originally posted by Longtime Longtime wrote:

For those curious about the arrivals at Blackheath, here is the list.

Richard CULLEY (Prop) from Ealing
Bertie HASKINS (Prop) from Exeter
Nigel BERRY (Prop) from Exmouth
Nik GRIUR (Hooker) from Southend
Harry FRY (Hooker) from Westcombe Park
Ryan JACKSON (Hooker) from Stockport
Matthew ROGERSON (Second Row) from Loughborough Students
Alvise FARAON (Back Row) from Mogliano (Italy)
Jesse LISTON (Back Row) returning from Canterbury
George BETROLIS (Back Row) returning from University
George ORAM (Back Row) from Medway
Richard PADDICK (Back Row) returning from Bromley
Seb NEGAL-TAYLOR (Back Row) from Barking
Jake BEDDING (Scrum Half) from Thurrock
Daniel NEWLANDS (Scrum Half) from Llandovery
David MARSHALL (Fly Half) from Brothers Australia / Nottingham
Cormac O’FLYNN (Fly Half) from Ulster
Lewis Roberts (Fly Half) from St Peters
Simon WHATLING (Centre) from London Welsh
Oli EVANS (Centre) from Bath
Markus BURCHAN (Centre) returning from Thurrock
Chris O’NEIL (Centre) from Westcombe Park
Mike BAYSETT (Centre) from Stockport
Joe HARDY (Wing) from Thurrock
Leo SAVAGE (Wing) from university
Akin SOLANKE-CAULKER (Wing) returning from Barking
Hamish GRAHAM (Full back) from Dungannon
Mark BRYANT (Fullback) from Tring
Mark FREEMAN (Fullback) from university

Several more are expected to join within the next few weeks.

Blimey Longtime, Blackheath are going to have the biggest squad in the country!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2013 at 16:59
There is an excellent atmosphere within the club, and so it is hardly surprising that we are popular.

Nevertheless, it will be interesting to see just how many last the course.
Without doubt there is going to be a lot of competition for first team places and nobody will be able to rest on their laurels.
However, it is going to be a tough for every club in Div 1 this season, so it will be more essential than ever to have quality players who can fit in when places become vacant either through injury or loss of form.
I for one am looking forward to what could be an epic season for Div 1 clubs.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2013 at 20:04
I will second that Longtime.There are so many good clubs particularly in the London region who can attract quality players and who also have decent playing budgets.I will make no firm predictions but I would be surprised if we finished outside of the top four.In my opinion only Fylde and Doncaster have a shot at the top four this year.
Just to confirm we retained almost all of last year's team so we have strength in depth that most clubs lack.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2013 at 22:36
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Strange you include Fylde as a top four side as last year they were inconsistent and new signings do not seem impressive.
Yes I agree that most of the budgets are higher on the M25 but they are fighting mostly for the same level of player ie a level three player otherwise why would they be there(Ealings releases excepted).
If they were that good why not in the Championship.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 07:22
Although Blackheath have signed a lot of players, a lot of the players signed do not represent the quality required at the top of Nat 1 in my opinion. They will have good strength in depth but not the quality of Doncaster, Park, and maybe Esher and Fylde. Its also hard having a new 10 that needs to gel and run the side pretty quickly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 08:14

How does it work then in this example ?

27 players in plus last years squad say 13 ( possibly more )  just to get to an even number. Is that 40 payments per week ?
Are some ( or all ) only paid if they play ? Do they get paid if they play for the second team ?
Does the competition element get detailed ie " theres three fly halves boys so only the best will play ( and therefore paid ) " Players must be really bullish of their abilities to take that on especially if they have no recent pedigree..
Can they be DR to teams at this level to a lower level or do they just leave around October time once the writing is on the wall if not selected ?
Are players OK with a red hot 2nd team and the off chance of a 1st XV appearence at some stage ?
If thats the case then their 3rds & 4ths are in for a great season as well.    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 08:36
Princes42, I'd agree with the view that not all those listed are of National 1 standard. It is good to see players moving to Club for 2nd and 3rd XV rugby, where they have always been strong. Strength in depth helps and can save on transfer and agents fees, young players developing in a strong 2nd XV and under one coaching team.

Esher have established their 3rd XV again this year after a gap precisely for that reason. I'm not going to blow the trumpet for Esher this season, the view at our AGM was that it was easier to get promoted last season than it will be this season. We've retained all but 1 of our regular starters from last season and added strength where we needed it. Just a couple of fly-halves to confirm and an addition to the coaching team and we're done!

Blackheath will be in the mix with Esher and Rosslyn Park, I expect while Doncaster and Blaydon will fly the flag for t'North. It will be interesting to see if Coventry can do better this year "under new management".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 11:39
Perhaps the title of this thread ought to be changed to 'Club'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 11:49
Originally posted by Insignificant Tick Insignificant Tick wrote:

Is that 40 payments per week ?

Are some ( or all ) only paid if they play ? Do they get paid if they play for the second team ?


In the absence of a sugar daddy, money has never been a priority for those who play for Blackheath. If it was they would join clubs in much lower divisions who offer sums well in excess of what is available at Rectory Field.
I know of one such club which pays players four times as much as first team players at Blackheath.
Payments are a matter for the individual involved and the DoR, so it is impossible to answer your question.
However, it is fair to say that players who turn out for Club do not expect to make a fortune.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 12:30

Only using Blackheath as they were in the thread.

Can anyone answer the questions generically ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 13:10
Hmmmm. Because of the lack of money at Blackheath, my perception is that the surprisingly long list of new recruits reflects the quite significant changing of the guard which has occured in the coaching team and in the managment of the club, rather than any other factor.
 
Last season was very disappointing in terms of results and so, with a new team too, a shake-up was always likely. I think this is what you see, rather than any kind of major strengthening or change of ambition.
 
By that measure, I expect Club to be competitive, but not league leading, with Donnie, RP, Cov and Esher ahead in terms of resources (and thereby results) and Blaydon too if they can emulate last season, so that puts Club around 5th or 6th, better than that would be great for a first season under new management IMHO.
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