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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CJB1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 16:24
Link doesn't work, at least not for me.
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Originally posted by CJB1 CJB1 wrote:

Link doesn't work, at least not for me.
Nope, not here either

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Is it April the first, what a load of rubbish, Even with £600k the championship is broke as that’s what they currently get, and you all are moaning non stop about being skint, it’s all about the top protecting themselves and the 2nd tier trying to reduce the shafting. Who are the 6 universities, as without huge input from prem friends and government funded facilities Hartpury would have failed Loughborough tie up wit Leicester saW them relegated so who are the other 4. I believe Exeter Uni are run by chiefs, Bath funnily by Bath. Why should the likes of Ealing be shafted with the work they have put in and the tie up with Brunel University. It really makes me angry when I read such article🤬 it’s almost as if rugby doesn’t exist outside the top 2 leagues
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 18:55
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Richard's link has a trailing space that is causing it to break.




This is so daft that I suspect that this is a clever negotiating position by which the Champ clubs will be able to say "We have provided you an offer to end promotion/relegation." That way they have set their stake in the ground.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PlangentThrowback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 19:01
I can't help wondering why this supposedly unanimously backed report is being leaked piecemeal like this.  What page are we up to out of 76?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 19:02
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

Is it April the first, what a load of rubbish, Even with £600k the championship is broke as that’s what they currently get, and you all are moaning non stop about being skint, it’s all about the top protecting themselves and the 2nd tier trying to reduce the shafting. Who are the 6 universities, as without huge input from prem friends and government funded facilities Hartpury would have failed Loughborough tie up wit Leicester saW them relegated so who are the other 4. I believe Exeter Uni are run by chiefs, Bath funnily by Bath. Why should the likes of Ealing be shafted with the work they have put in and the tie up with Brunel University. It really makes me angry when I read such article🤬 it’s almost as if rugby doesn’t exist outside the top 2 leagues
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The RFU wanted a 2nd tier professional league but wouldn't/couldn't fund it.
The RFU then start slashing the funding to the Championship to a level that wouldn't fund most teams travel.
The RFU then commission CG to come up with this b****hit report


Why would the Championship clubs agree to it? Do they believe the funding will cover the costs and leave them some for travel?

Who is going to fund the 6 Academies - the RFU?

With their record of U-turns it is bound to end up in a disaster.

I suspect the only thing to actually come out of it will be Ring-fencing the Premiership, so why have a 76 page report to hide it in?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 20:50
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:



I suspect the only thing to actually come out of it will be Ring-fencing the Premiership, so why have a 76 page report to hide it in?

Standard "Yes, Prime Minister" tactic. Bury the bad news in the middle of a lot of dull and boring drivel. China did it in the 70s in order to get Hong Kong off the decolonisation list.
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Sigh. Another thread in the Championship section of RM where supporters of non-Championship clubs line up to schlagg off the Championship and repeat how broken it is and how much better things are at their level and zzzzzzzzzzzz

Key stumbling block highlighted in bold below...

The English Championship plan is costed at £15.6million in its first year, including £600,000 per club for player wages, compared with the Premiership spend of around 12 times that amount. It is likely to require financial input from the RFU. 


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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Sigh. Another thread in the Championship section of RM where supporters of non-Championship clubs line up to schlagg off the Championship and repeat how broken it is and how much better things are at their level and zzzzzzzzzzzz<div id="ypm-extension" ="ypm-extension"="">

Key stumbling block highlighted in bold below...

<span style="font-family: -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0.2px;">The English Championship plan is costed at £15.6million in its first year, including £600,000 per club for player wages, compared with the Premiership spend of around 12 times that amount. It is likely to require financial input from the RFU. </span>

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Not sure why you are having a go at people who have an interest in all levels of Rugby - the Championship is not the preserve of the 12 clubs currently in it.

I believe people are having a go at the RFU rather than the championship - you can only work with the money available and within the framework they are given.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

The RFU wanted a 2nd tier professional league but wouldn't/couldn't fund it.
The RFU then start slashing the funding to the Championship to a level that wouldn't fund most teams travel.
The RFU then commission CG to come up with this b****hit report


Why would the Championship clubs agree to it? Do they believe the funding will cover the costs and leave them some for travel?

Who is going to fund the 6 Academies - the RFU?

With their record of U-turns it is bound to end up in a disaster.

I suspect the only thing to actually come out of it will be Ring-fencing the Premiership, so why have a 76 page report to hide it in?

Have you read any of the reports about this issue? The RFU didn't commission this proposal: the Championship did and unanimously agreed it before presenting it to the RFU  and Premiership. If you're going to get on your high horse about this then at least make yourself aware of what horse you're getting on. As for funding the new academy structure, yes the RFU and Premiership are supposed to do that. Ring-fencing? You're quite right a moratorium on promotion is part of it, but sadly for you this is a proposal from the Championship.

Whether it is any good is an entirely different matter. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2020 at 09:41
The thing I do not like about this report is that it has been developed by "the 11 Championship clubs"
There is no such thing.
There are "the 11 clubs who happen to be in the championship this season"
In five years time it is likely 4 of them will no longer be i the Championship.
And of those 4 I suspect 2 will not be in National 1 either and will have dropped further down the pyramid.

As I do not have a crystal ball I had to use a mirror.
So yes I am looking at Yorkshire, Moseley, Plymouth and Rotherham.
Five years ago the championship still features Bristol and Worcester.

In fact of the eleven it featured: Scottish, Nottingham, Jersey, Pirates, Doncaster and Bedford.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2020 at 10:07
I'm surprised no one is commenting on this line

Quote Promotion from National League One to the second division would also be suspended for at least two seasons.

Are we going to see a domino effect? Will the lower leagues draw up their drawbridges and claim its for the best of the game?

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The NCA are one of the stakeholders with whom EG is discussing this plan, or should that be kite? I agree that looking forward things will need to change but these proposals are so radical it looks to me as if they want to achieve half of this but announce an outlandish, unacceptable proposal to get people moving to a halfway point that is acceptable.

That said, the new NCA Chair has made it clear that he sees ground standards as an important element of promoting rugby at Levels 3/4 so why not at Level 2?
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All looks a bit far fetched to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2020 at 12:10
Richard - I had missed that line.

I think they have looked at Rotherham and realised that without RFU money, there fate lies somewhere between that and manchester or even Leeds (who I have no confidence will raise a team).

And actually you can add Otley Newbury, Sedgley Park and Esher.

Clubs get addicted to the heroin of RFU funding.
If they want to play in a League without relegation Surrey 4 is over there ->.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2020 at 13:04
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Richard - I had missed that line.

I think they have looked at Rotherham and realised that without RFU money, there fate lies somewhere between that and manchester or even Leeds (who I have no confidence will raise a team).

And actually you can add Otley Newbury, Sedgley Park and Esher.

Clubs get addicted to the heroin of RFU funding.
If they want to play in a League without relegation Surrey 4 is over there ->.



I don't know why the RFU don't just say 'lets have a geographical distributed Championship of X teams meeting Y criteria' starting in 2021/22 with clubs bidding to be part. This would be ringfenced for Z years when the bidding reopens. 

In return of meeting the criteria, the clubs would share funding a minimum of £A each - to be know upfront at the time of bidding.

Then these clubs would meet the non performance criteria for future admission to the Premiership.
It would give every club an opportunity and not just those currently keeping the seats warm. 
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You are all making my point a little better than I did although I was a bit peeved at the time of writing but if you go back a little bit Sarries were not a group 1 club, nor Exeter or Worcester so no club deserves the right to be kept in a false position supported by the rest of the rugby community. It wasn’t so long ago that Ealing, Jersey, Hartpury, Scottish, Richmond, Doncaster, Coventry were all fighting to get out of National one at various times so now they are there why should others be stopped from trying to take their place I thought that was the idea of competive sport as most of the current incumbents Have taken the place of another club some did it by a name change Gosforth anyone
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