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    Posted: 23 Sep 2019 at 02:11
Will Carling has been appointed as fundraiser to cover England's World Cup jaunt. Telegraph reports RFU unable to fund the trip from current cash.

How much more is there to come out regarding the RFU's current mismanagement? I know we are but lowly club members but really, perhaps we should not have entered if we couldn't afford the trip!

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It doesn’t actually say that though does it? Carling has been sent out to cover the parts not covered by World Rugby rather than divert RFU money elsewhere.

Once again this forums obsession with painting things in the worst possible light rears it’s head
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2019 at 07:11
Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

It doesn’t actually say that though does it? Carling has been sent out to cover the parts not covered by World Rugby rather than divert RFU money elsewhere.

Once again this forums obsession with painting things in the worst possible light rears it’s head


We must be reading different articles.

We have no obsession with finding the bad things, there have had threads of praise for the RFU.

The RFU brings criticism on itself by its foolish actions such as the recent long term Premiership agreement and the East Stand budget.

At one time in committee life, probably in the '70s, i had utmost respect for the RFU but it seems to have turned into a gravy train.

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Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

It doesn’t actually say that though does it? Carling has been sent out to cover the parts not covered by World Rugby rather than divert RFU money elsewhere.

Certainly not my interpretation.

Originally posted by Telegraph Telegraph wrote:

England’s budget to win the World Cup is understood to be over £3 million, a sharp rise from the £2m budget for their 2015 campaign, despite the fact that World Rugby cover all the expenses for the tournament.
...the governing body’s cash crisis meant it could not provide England coach Eddie Jones with the World Cup budget he wanted
...the RFU tasked former England captain Will Carling, who has been working with the England side as a leadership consultant, with approaching contacts in the City of London in a bid to raise the funds to cover the shortfall.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JonDee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2019 at 08:53
I think the worrying point is that there have been 4 years of planning for this world cup and any professional company would have set a budget following analysis and worked towards the world cup within this budget.  Too actually arrive at the world cup and then realise you hadn't got the money beggars belief if this was a professional company the finance director and accountant would have been sacked as soon as these figures came available .
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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

It doesn’t actually say that though does it? Carling has been sent out to cover the parts not covered by World Rugby rather than divert RFU money elsewhere.

Certainly not my interpretation.

Originally posted by Telegraph Telegraph wrote:

England’s budget to win the World Cup is understood to be over £3 million, a sharp rise from the £2m budget for their 2015 campaign, despite the fact that World Rugby cover all the expenses for the tournament.
...the governing body’s cash crisis meant it could not provide England coach Eddie Jones with the World Cup budget he wanted
...the RFU tasked former England captain Will Carling, who has been working with the England side as a leadership consultant, with approaching contacts in the City of London in a bid to raise the funds to cover the shortfall.


Then what is your interpretation? Because for me it reads that:
A) Certain costs are covered by World Rugby.
B) other costs - like Eddies multiple trips overseas, bringing in vision specialists, judo coaches etc are not. The RFU have said they will not divert money to pay for these.
C) Carling goes to city types to get the funding for these. RFU retains the money it would have spent instead of doing exactly what they did 4 years ago of putting far too many eggs in one basket.

Again, I’m not exactly sure why this is a problem. Apart from the usual old fart histrionics about how they wouldn’t get away with it when they ran the towns biggest paper clip company in the 70s.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2019 at 09:31
The difference in our interpretations seems to hinge on something which isn't actually mentioned in the article - namely your assertion that the RFU have said that they will not divert funds which have been earmarked for other projects.  I'm not aware of this particular detail.
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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

The difference in our interpretations seems to hinge on something which isn't actually mentioned in the article - namely your assertion that the RFU have said that they will not divert funds which have been earmarked for other projects.  I'm not aware of this particular detail.

It’s written at the bottom of the article (may not have seen it as it actually looks like the article ends before reaching it)

The RFU over the last period of time has had to be prudent in the way it spends money,” said an RFU source. “There have been cuts to the community game, cuts to the professional game and across the organisation. We have all felt the effects of that in recent times. So without dipping into the pocket any more this seemed a pretty logical and normal way to raise additional money.


“At the time there was a set budget for the World Cup and Eddie was looking for additional things to be included in the programme. That was the solution as to how we would go about raising that money.

“It was not budgets being cut, it was looking for a few additional things that would help the programme in the final stages of the World Cup.”
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But what if Old Bum Chin and his begging bowl are sent packing by the City? One has to assume this additional budget has been spent or committed given the World Cup has started. Where will it come from then?

It does seem a bit after the event.
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They spent the rest of the budget bailing out Leeds Carnegie,

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Originally posted by donnyladinsheffield donnyladinsheffield wrote:

But what if Old Bum Chin and his begging bowl are sent packing by the City? One has to assume this additional budget has been spent or committed given the World Cup has started. Where will it come from then?

It does seem a bit after the event.

It was done ages ago. Hence how people were able to secure players for going away dinners. Next the Telegraph will be reporting that Archduke Franz Ferdinand has been shot.
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