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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BE57 REF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2020 at 16:31
Contrary to the scepticism in my earlier post on this thread (4 September), I see that Scottish RU are pressing ahead with full contact training from 5 October and "subject to approval from the Scottish Government" warm-up friendly fixtures from 19 October and full competitive rugby from 31 October. See https://www.scottishrugby.org/clubs-and-schools/return-to-rugby
A friend in Scotland has alerted me to the publication of fixtures for the 2020/21 season - see for example https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/kirkcaldy-rfc-take-part-reduced-national-competition-2981045
It might all come crashing down and there is no reference to spectator protocols - but does seem more than we are being offered south of the border.....

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2020 at 22:02
Interesting! I presume one or two Scottish Ministers have played rugby whereas all the English ones just shoot grouse. The RFU is pushing hard fir us to start on 1st January, I’ve just spent an hour completing the RFU Club Finance Survey which they asked for today. Quite fun trying to guess the impact of no rugby at all this season!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2020 at 23:51
Boris played at Eton and possibly at the other place.
Gordon Brown definitely played at University and lost his eye to a stray stud.
I do not know of any Prime Minister who played top level rugby.
One played first class cricket.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blutarsky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 16:16
NCA cup proposals as I mentioned the other day: 

Groupings look suspect... Canterbury in London WEST??? 

EDIT: Click images to enlarge 

Groupings look suspect... Canterbury in London WEST??? 


Edited by Blutarsky - 30 Sep 2020 at 16:17
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Originally posted by Blutarsky Blutarsky wrote:

NCA cup proposals as I mentioned the other day: 

Groupings look suspect... Canterbury in London WEST??? 

EDIT: Click images to enlarge 

Groupings look suspect... Canterbury in London WEST??? 

Also naming clubs from the East Anglia area (and Guernsey) south east whilst clubs like Tonbridge and Blackheath being further south and further east are "London West"? I'd probably switch Canterbury and Guernsey and call it "East" and "South East" respectively since otherwise that group'll be a pain for Guernsey getting to games from Gatwick Airport


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 16:51
I think the East and West labels are simply the wrong way round.

The odd thing is that Barnes not in the same group as Rosslyn Park.
Barnes could change at home and walk to the Rock.
But while swapping Esher and Park would make a lot of sense geographically, it would make London "West" very Nat 1 heavy, so I understand why they have done it that way.

I assume they are thinking Guensey can fly to Stansted or Southend.


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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Blutarsky Blutarsky wrote:

NCA cup proposals as I mentioned the other day: 

Groupings look suspect... Canterbury in London WEST??? 

EDIT: Click images to enlarge 

Groupings look suspect... Canterbury in London WEST??? 



Also naming clubs from the East Anglia area (and Guernsey) south east whilst clubs like Tonbridge and Blackheath being further south and further east are "London West"? I'd probably switch Canterbury and Guernsey and call it "East" and "South East" respectively since otherwise that group'll be a pain for Guernsey getting to games from Gatwick Airport




Guernsey seem to have been used as fillers in these groups - none of the teams being anywhere near Gatwick where they are assumed to be based.

Also can you explain Leicester Lions being in Yorkshire - I'm sure they would expect to be in the same group as Hinckley?

When I was at school, a long time ago I know, Huddersfield was in Yorkshire not the North West!

I must have missed something - I was under the assumption that a January start would be play everyone once in your division.

If you don't start in January, you might as well bin the season.

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Aurigny claim to fly to Stansted and if they do then it makes sense.
However, I am not sure they are at the moment.

The Hull clubs are in the North East. They will be driving past Wharfedale on the way.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 17:59
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Blutarsky Blutarsky wrote:

NCA cup proposals as I mentioned the other day: 

Groupings look suspect... Canterbury in London WEST??? 

EDIT: Click images to enlarge 

Groupings look suspect... Canterbury in London WEST??? 



Also naming clubs from the East Anglia area (and Guernsey) south east whilst clubs like Tonbridge and Blackheath being further south and further east are "London West"? I'd probably switch Canterbury and Guernsey and call it "East" and "South East" respectively since otherwise that group'll be a pain for Guernsey getting to games from Gatwick Airport




Guernsey seem to have been used as fillers in these groups - none of the teams being anywhere near Gatwick where they are assumed to be based.

Also can you explain Leicester Lions being in Yorkshire - I'm sure they would expect to be in the same group as Hinckley?

When I was at school, a long time ago I know, Huddersfield was in Yorkshire not the North West!

I must have missed something - I was under the assumption that a January start would be play everyone once in your division.

If you don't start in January, you might as well bin the season.


I suspect the groups were done to get an even distribution. I am sure we can all pick faults - which show no answer is the correct one. 

Just lets hope there is some rugby for them to play!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 22:36
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Blutarsky Blutarsky wrote:

NCA cup proposals as I mentioned the other day: 

Groupings look suspect... Canterbury in London WEST??? 

EDIT: Click images to enlarge 

Groupings look suspect... Canterbury in London WEST??? 



Also naming clubs from the East Anglia area (and Guernsey) south east whilst clubs like Tonbridge and Blackheath being further south and further east are "London West"? I'd probably switch Canterbury and Guernsey and call it "East" and "South East" respectively since otherwise that group'll be a pain for Guernsey getting to games from Gatwick Airport




Guernsey seem to have been used as fillers in these groups - none of the teams being anywhere near Gatwick where they are assumed to be based.

Also can you explain Leicester Lions being in Yorkshire - I'm sure they would expect to be in the same group as Hinckley?

When I was at school, a long time ago I know, Huddersfield was in Yorkshire not the North West!

I must have missed something - I was under the assumption that a January start would be play everyone once in your division.

If you don't start in January, you might as well bin the season.


I suspect the groups were done to get an even distribution. I am sure we can all pick faults - which show no answer is the correct one. 

Just lets hope there is some rugby for them to play!

I don’t know the origin of this structure. It certainly hasn’t reached me from the NCA so I’m not convinced it’s real. Canterbury in London West seems designed to upset Giles Hilton who doesn’t want Canterbury to leave Kent for their matches!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2020 at 11:38
The groups look interesting, but you can see they were put together by someone who has never ventured outside of the M25 corridor lol.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2020 at 12:49
Don't think they've consulted their A to Z. Eltham is in south east London, as is Blackheath. Why are they allocated to West London? Rosslyn Park is in West London yet it's allocated to East London. I think this needs revision.I could point out other anomalies. Whoever did this should have consulted a map.
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And who is going to fund travelling to and from Guernsey along with the hotel if needed. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2020 at 14:18
Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

Don't think they've consulted their A to Z. Eltham is in south east London, as is Blackheath. Why are they allocated to West London? Rosslyn Park is in West London yet it's allocated to East London. I think this needs revision.I could point out other anomalies. Whoever did this should have consulted a map.
It's pretty obvious that the East and West labels have been mixed up.
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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

Don't think they've consulted their A to Z. Eltham is in south east London, as is Blackheath. Why are they allocated to West London? Rosslyn Park is in West London yet it's allocated to East London. I think this needs revision.I could point out other anomalies. Whoever did this should have consulted a map.

It's pretty obvious that the East and West labels have been mixed up.


Yes, agreed, that is a distinct possibility.

Doesn't explain the Yorkshire grouping problems though.

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Originally posted by Thunderbird Thunderbird wrote:

And who is going to fund travelling to and from Guernsey along with the hotel if needed. 

Guernsey always fly back the same day while the RFU only pay for flights for visiting teams. If the clubs want a hotel, the club has to pay for that themselves.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2020 at 17:22
My contacts at the NCA say that a structure like this is under discussion but this particular document is nowhere near a final version. Who leaked it?!
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Hi Robb, not when they play us I am led to believe. We also recieved reduced funding for accommodation last season. 
It is clear to me that who ever plans these fixture has no clue on logistics. Every time we have played Guernsey the RFU want us there and back in a day , from the depths a Suffolk to Gatwick as Stansted has reduced flights later in the year... Every year we have the same conversation which results in hotel funding but no double bus trip. So one cancels out the other. Bit of a joke really. 
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What makes me think it is an RFU plan is the fact it takes more games than a single round-robin, so needed to start earlier. I think it would need to start by January 1st to end before the end of May. Mind you, it could lose two weeks by carrying forward the matches against the other team from your initial group into the quarter-final pools.

It will be a struggle to get match sponsors and lunch tables sponsors for the quarter-final games as you will not know which weeks you will be at home. Assuming we are allowed such things.

It is obviously a complete U turn from the previous position of maintaining the league structure.

It also relies on Guernsey being able to get flights to Stansted - that currently are not happening. Though actually if they can get the airline to add those, why  not try to get it to fly to Southend or Cambridge and save some travel at the far end. I assume the club have looked into chartering the plane and it is far too expensive.

Yes, it has all the hallmarks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 10:44
It still boggles the mind how they can put Guernsey, a (technically) Hampshire club that flies into Gatwick, in a group of clubs from Essex and East Anglia. 
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