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    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 at 16:47
This was in todays Telegraph
The Rugby Football Union is open to the possibility of players taking a knee when England next line up for the national anthem later this year.
 
I won't say what I really think about this (as my statue may be torn down) but if the RFU want to show solidarity then an official minutes silence or applause in support, with crowd participation (however many that may be) before the match would be more appropriate and far more meaningful. The RFU by doing this have put it in the players court but are at the same time effectively mandating it.
 
No doubt in this hysterical environment anyone who doesn't follow suit will be labelled a cloudberry, white privileged, slave trading, imperialist by the hysterical twitter brigade
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2020 at 17:46
Call that a rant?
Saying 'rant over' doesn't make it one.
Personally, the players can do as they please (short of nazi salutes). I won't be watching anyway.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote touchlineexpert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2020 at 18:10
You do know that they aren't making you take a knee right? If the player want to do that then play on, I dont know why it would upset anyone
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Monkey Boy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2020 at 20:17
What would the minutes silence be for?

Imagine getting upset over people making a gesture for a fairer and equitable society.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shamrose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2020 at 21:22
I think you are missing the point that I am trying to make in that RFU putting this on to the players rather than coming out a making a statement of their own. Clearly there are a few woke people on this site so they should recognise it as virtue signalling on the part of the RFU when they see it
 
The RFU have been very quick in the past on coming down on anyone who they seem as damaging "The Product". They are therefore choosing to remain neutral rather than act positively and putting the onus on the players which is my point.
 
Frankly I think rugby young player facing salary cuts and job losses have enough on their plates without the RFU sticking an expectation on them that they might not all feel comfortable with and who even knows where the debate will be if the Autumn international go ahead.
 
Clearly free debate is a thing on the past in these times and if you do not agree 100% with what some people think and say you are shouted down
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Shamrose Shamrose wrote:

This was in todays Telegraph
The Rugby Football Union is open to the possibility of players taking a knee when England next line up for the national anthem later this year.
 
I won't say what I really think about this (as my statue may be torn down) but if the RFU want to show solidarity then an official minutes silence or applause in support, with crowd participation (however many that may be) before the match would be more appropriate and far more meaningful. The RFU by doing this have put it in the players court but are at the same time effectively mandating it.
 
No doubt in this hysterical environment anyone who doesn't follow suit will be labelled a cloudberry, white privileged, slave trading, imperialist by the hysterical twitter brigade
 
Rant overAngry
 
 
 
 

They shouldn't. Because if they do they are not only disrespecting the shirt, they are disrespecting the country and also The Queen. What happened in america is certainly sad and rightfully there should be an investigation. But it has nothing to do with us in England. A minuites silence fine, but don't kowtow to virtue signalling.
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They shouldn't. Because if they do they are not only disrespecting the shirt, they are disrespecting the country and also The Queen

How ?
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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">They shouldn't. Because if they do they are not only </span><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">disrespecting the shirt, they are disrespecting the country and also The Queen</span>
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<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">How ?</span>


Probably the same reason people are asked to stand for the National Anthem.

Totally agree, keep politics out of sport.

There are plenty of ways for any sportsman to make there views known (I.e. Social media) without these sorts of displays.
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Shamrose Shamrose wrote:

This was in todays Telegraph
The Rugby Football Union is open to the possibility of players taking a knee when England next line up for the national anthem later this year.
 
I won't say what I really think about this (as my statue may be torn down) but if the RFU want to show solidarity then an official minutes silence or applause in support, with crowd participation (however many that may be) before the match would be more appropriate and far more meaningful. The RFU by doing this have put it in the players court but are at the same time effectively mandating it.
 
No doubt in this hysterical environment anyone who doesn't follow suit will be labelled a cloudberry, white privileged, slave trading, imperialist by the hysterical twitter brigade
 
Rant overAngry
 
 
 
 

They shouldn't. Because if they do they are not only disrespecting the shirt, they are disrespecting the country and also The Queen. What happened in america is certainly sad and rightfully there should be an investigation. But it has nothing to do with us in England. A minuites silence fine, but don't kowtow to virtue signalling.

Haha disrespecting the Queen?

Your attitude is exactly why things have to change and attitudes move on from the 1780s
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote backrowb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2020 at 16:17
Jeez, some of you sound like Trump.  Taking  a knee in that context disrespects no one, apart from cloudberrys and bigots. 
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">They shouldn't. Because if they do they are not only </span><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">disrespecting the shirt, they are disrespecting the country and also The Queen</span>
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<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">How ?</span>


Probably the same reason people are asked to stand for the National Anthem.

Totally agree, keep politics out of sport.

There are plenty of ways for any sportsman to make there views known (I.e. Social media) without these sorts of displays.

If we're to keep politics out of sport.  So, no national anthems then?

The fact that people think this is somehow only something that "happens in America" is nonsense. Find a black player and speak to them, ask them what they've experienced and what they know.
If a player wishes to take a knee, then good and I will support them in doing so.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jimbojetset Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2020 at 19:47
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:


They shouldn't. Because if they do they are not only disrespecting the shirt, they are disrespecting the country and also The Queen. What happened in america is certainly sad and rightfully there should be an investigation. But it has nothing to do with us in England. A minuites silence fine, but don't kowtow to virtue signalling.

Very generous of you to allow them to have a minutes silence. Perhaps they should just be grateful we let them play as well?
As for "kowtow to virtue signalling". Not even sure where to start with that one, I'm assuming you believe racism doesn't exist in England then? Stats and data show otherwise. 
The players who've made it to this point, if they want to take a knee to show both their protest and their respect then good on them.
 


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Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:


They shouldn't. Because if they do they are not only disrespecting the shirt, they are disrespecting the country and also The Queen. What happened in america is certainly sad and rightfully there should be an investigation. But it has nothing to do with us in England. A minuites silence fine, but don't kowtow to virtue signalling.

Very generous of you to allow them to have a minutes silence. Perhaps they should just be grateful we let them play as well?
As for "kowtow to virtue signalling". Not even sure where to start with that one, I'm assuming you believe racism doesn't exist in England then? Stats and data show otherwise. 
The players who've made it to this point, if they want to take a knee to show both their protest and their respect then good on them.
 




Take a knee if you want - but not during the national anthems.

Do it between anthems and kick-off
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Originally posted by Shamrose Shamrose wrote:

.... Clearly there are a few woke people on this site so they should recognise it as virtue signalling on the part of the RFU when they see it
 
.......
 
Clearly free debate is a thing on the past in these times and if you do not agree 100% with what some people think and say you are shouted down
 
 
 

Clearly there is at least one professional victim on this site too. 

If players want to take a knee then that's up to them but hopefully not when the opposition are attacking.


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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:


They shouldn't. Because if they do they are not only disrespecting the shirt, they are disrespecting the country and also The Queen. What happened in america is certainly sad and rightfully there should be an investigation. But it has nothing to do with us in England. A minuites silence fine, but don't kowtow to virtue signalling.

Very generous of you to allow them to have a minutes silence. Perhaps they should just be grateful we let them play as well?
As for "kowtow to virtue signalling". Not even sure where to start with that one, I'm assuming you believe racism doesn't exist in England then? Stats and data show otherwise. 
The players who've made it to this point, if they want to take a knee to show both their protest and their respect then good on them.
 




Take a knee if you want - but not during the national anthems.

Do it between anthems and kick-off

My point exactly. Do it as the football lads did last night. That makes more of an impact.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stoatgobbler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2020 at 23:37
I've taken the knee several times on the pitch.
Usually to the kidneys but sometimes to the ribs as well.
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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

They shouldn't. Because if they do they are not only disrespecting the shirt, they are disrespecting the country and also The Queen

How ?

You are the voice of sense in the swing low debate too.

Disrespecting the Queen......there really are some strange forelock tuggers on this forum
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jun 2020 at 14:48
As well as some strangely intolerant posters of course which is ironic given the subject being discussed.
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