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Originally posted by sidelined sidelined wrote:


On the basis of the apparent aptitude of the senior management, can I also apply for a job, I know sweet FA about anythingBig smile you only have to look at some of the prediction leagues to verify this fact.

I think you are being very harsh on yourself Sidelined, you averaged over 5.2 points over the season in SW3 prediction league with 2 weeks where every one was correctly guessed Wink. With that in mind you may just be too intelligent for the job LOL


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If we are worried about these swinging cuts what are the RFU going to do about the major problem they have with the Twickenham Roof which has to be replaced as it has been deemed unfit with a probable cost in the Millions
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 15:58
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

..... it has been deemed unfit with a probable cost in the millions


Surely if a stand roof then almost brand new, discuss with builders.

If not, consider per match cost and take around the country. World Cup demonstrated we do not need a national stadium. Move offices to a low cost centre.

Redevelop TW1 as housing .... much of which will be affordable and help meet national housing shortage
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 16:57
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

If we are worried about these swinging cuts what are the RFU going to do about the major problem they have with the Twickenham Roof which has to be replaced as it has been deemed unfit with a probable cost in the Millions

£18 Million is the current guesstimate, be interesting to see when they fit the work in!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 18:41
This is going to cause some serious long term damage to rugby below the Championship. They'll find this out after a year and hopefully reverse it. I've heard that it could mean that N2 won't have appointed ARs next year.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alfred Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 19:30
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

This is going to cause some serious long term damage to rugby below the Championship. They'll find this out after a year and hopefully reverse it. I've heard that it could mean that N2 won't have appointed ARs next year.


I understand that N2 clubs will have to pay for referee + 2 assistants.
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Originally posted by Alfred Alfred wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

This is going to cause some serious long term damage to rugby below the Championship. They'll find this out after a year and hopefully reverse it. I've heard that it could mean that N2 won't have appointed ARs next year.


I understand that N2 clubs will have to pay for referee + 2 assistants.

I hate to say it but I get the feeling that Guernsey being in N2 made the RFU realise how much it actually costs to fund ARs to go those long distances
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How about abandoning Academies (the RFU's answer to HS2)? How many of England's overpaid 'stars' needed an Academy to make it to the top? Let the Premiership clubs pay for player development themselves!
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That is an excellent idea. Essentially as it is now, community clubs are paying the Premiership clubs to develop their players. I believe that one was also negotiated by the Premiership clubs as part of their one sided deal with the RFU.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oldman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 10:28
Checked RFU website. No mention of the letter or proposals at all.
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Who goes in to bat for Levels 3-12 at the RFU? We (the clubs) are all equal stakeholders in the RFU.

A swift attack of Zero Based Budgeting is called for - a budget built from necessary expenditure.
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The County reps on the RFU Council represent their clubs.  They're the ones everyone should lobby, and if the clubs think that they're not pulling their weight or representing the views of their members then they should be replaced at the County AGM. The problem is, how many people actually go the their County AGM or even take notice of things like that? It's actually quite a simple and straightforward process, and to be honest clubs shouldn't complain if they don't get involved in their County business.
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Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

The County reps on the RFU Council represent their clubs

With the best will in the world which County Rep* would cause waves and lose their sinecure. You're right - few attend County AGMs, but this latest move has seen the RFU shaft everyone - perhaps there will be pressure. I also think that NCA have a place on the Council - not sure?


* Just looked at RFU website and almost half the Council are non club men (and also it includes Army, Navy, RAF, Oxford Univ, Cambridge Univ, and Students - none of whom are impacted by club funding cuts)


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I've certainly never said that the system is perfect, but every club does have a representative on the Council. If the clubs in a county think that their their rep is the kind of person who is just there to serve his own interests then they should pick someone better!! It's not complicated.
I agree totally about the non representative Council members as well - many of those posts should be removed and the Council streamlined.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 10:49
Will Carlings old f@rts rule, always have and always will, a person who I knew quite well was at the top of his game and was selected to play for England. The RFU committee blocked his selection, I am told the private reason was " we don't have van drivers playing for England" that old school tie attitude still prevails, I was told so by someone who would definitely know.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 2019 at 13:56
Looks like the PM Theresa May is facing a 'grassroots vote of no confidence'.
Seems to me that we could do with something simiar with regard to the RFU and the Community Game Board.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Will Carlings old f@rts rule, always have and always will, a person who I knew quite well was at the top of his game and was selected to play for England. The RFU committee blocked his selection, I am told the private reason was " we don't have van drivers playing for England" that old school tie attitude still prevails, I was told so by someone who would definitely know.

That was in the dark ages, long, long ago. Things like that definitely used to be the case before professionalism but it's long gone now.  When coaches are paid an absolute fortune to win games, winning becomes all important and a players' background becomes irrelevant. The RFU Committee ceased to have any influence on selection at that time also.
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What a load of tosh being posted on this thread.

Nearly all the revenue the RFU generates is directly or indirectly linked to the England team and their matches at Twickenham.

So for a start let's get over this "their taking our money" rubbish- the fact that so much cash is redistributed is testament to the model in England. During some periods its higher and others its lower. We're big boys, we can deal with that.

The RFU council is small fry, I agree it's pathetic but it's not big beer.

Heres my answer. Cut the game in two. The Premiership becomes the only professional league (as in it is funded). The TV money is generated by that league alone and let them have all the cash. No direct relegation or promotion - perhaps increase number by 1 or 2 then entry is only by a strict set of criteria and a play off. I wouldn't envisage change more than once a decade.

Scrap the championship and the national leagues. All 'match' funding stopped below Premiership.

New structure based around the 4 regional Premier Leagues. I.e. that is the top of the tree. So in North the likes of Otley, Rotherham etc... Will be the North Premier and that's the highest they can go. And all other clubs re-order below that.

Clubs do not have the spectator base to warrant national leagues it's utterly pointless.

It will take a few years to bed down but in time will be better all round.

The massive savings will allow more into the community game and sustain a smaller healthier professional game.

That's my view.

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Isn’t that the exact plan the NCA are currently discussing as an alternative proposal for a way forward.

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Originally posted by backrowbandit backrowbandit wrote:

What a load of tosh being posted on this thread.

Nearly all the revenue the RFU generates is directly or indirectly linked to the England team and their matches at Twickenham.

So for a start let's get over this "their taking our money" rubbish- the fact that so much cash is redistributed is testament to the model in England. During some periods its higher and others its lower. We're big boys, we can deal with that.

The RFU council is small fry, I agree it's pathetic but it's not big beer.

Heres my answer. Cut the game in two. The Premiership becomes the only professional league (as in it is funded). The TV money is generated by that league alone and let them have all the cash. No direct relegation or promotion - perhaps increase number by 1 or 2 then entry is only by a strict set of criteria and a play off. I wouldn't envisage change more than once a decade.

Scrap the championship and the national leagues. All 'match' funding stopped below Premiership.

New structure based around the 4 regional Premier Leagues. I.e. that is the top of the tree. So in North the likes of Otley, Rotherham etc... Will be the North Premier and that's the highest they can go. And all other clubs re-order below that.

Clubs do not have the spectator base to warrant national leagues it's utterly pointless.

It will take a few years to bed down but in time will be better all round.

The massive savings will allow more into the community game and sustain a smaller healthier professional game.

That's my view.

As the Great Margaret once said:

"No, No, No!"

This is exactly the plan that we are all against. The league system is a sacrosanct way of giving all clubs the right to dream with a clear pathway from the county leagues all the way up to the Premiership. What they actually need is to start promoting the National Leagues and try to get them a small tv deal. I've seen it happen in New Zealand (and they also included school rugby on it) when I was there on the Lions tour so it is possible.
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