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    Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 11:50
Rugby Times appear to have got wind that RFU are going for 12 team championship in 2009/10 at FDR level and that 4 teams will be relegated this season and no promotion from Nat Two.
I was told a lot more stuff too but im too angry to write about it.AngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry
This decision is appalling and way too late and should be postponed for one year .
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 11:57
Also in the Independent at the weekend - link on Pre-Season friendlies thread. Indescribable, but hardly,given the body we`re dealing with, unbelievable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 12:06
Whether that's the same source as the Independent, and whether it should be believed, remains to be seen.
 
But if it should, that leaves ND2 with 18 teams, so, presumably, we have to lose 2 (?) somewhere along the line? 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 12:07
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 12:26
Yes i think the source for rugby times has come from ind story thanks.....been away and not seen it.
I think it could be more than 2 relegated.....i could see 5........4 down...3 up......5 down...gets us to 16.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 16:24
Blood and Sand,
I do hope there is a clear directive from the RFU sooner rather than later.
As it stands at the moment, to be in place for the 2009/10 season, the relegation battles in ND1 and ND2 could be up to mid table in each league!
Definitely be watching this unravel with interest ( and lots of comment), but I can't see it's worth beating ourselves up about at the moment, I'd rather use my energy being positive about the forthcoming season!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 16:56

The top brass at most clubs have known for over a year whats going to happen next season it just hasn't been announced yet. 5 down from Nat 1, 1 up from nat 2. This league 1 to go full time with increased funding. Nat 2 to be no more and disbanded into 3 regional leagues of north, midlands and south. The new leagues getting no RFU funding apart from there insurance paid

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 17:46
Know All......does the President count as top brass?
 
Your version differs from ind story and rugby times views........what is your source?
 
Barford.......did you enjoy the bed/camb friendly.....?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2008 at 00:48
I was in a FDR meeting last season, when the league's future structure was discussed. Teams like Sedgley Park are well aware of this and have drastically reduced their budget this season as they know that even with double of last seasons investment they would still be in the bottom 5, they have therfore decided to save their money and be one of the top dogs in a lower league
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2008 at 08:20
I am surprised all this is news for so many people - people have been talking about it since the start of last season, including coaches thinking it was going to happen for this season.
 
All the comments the RFU have invited, which I guess are hugely against the scheme from the main bulk of clubs and suppporters, seems to have been ignored...
 
I wonder what good progressive clubs looking to the long-term development of club and players think of it... And does it mean London Scottish in Nat 3S are a year too late with their huge financial commitment to get into the shake up at the top?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2008 at 11:38
Ok KA....thanks....we shall have to wait and see......i can only keep my fingers crossed that they do allow one up at least to make it a competitive league.....and that nat 2 stays and is not mushed in with nat 3.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2008 at 11:39
If the progressive clubs feel anything like Cambridge they will be mightily pi**ed off.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2008 at 16:38
You are correct Know All but i understand  quite a few teams have cut their budgets this season.Rumours are that only pirates,exeter,london welsh,doncaster have really increased budgets,with leeds already having a bigger budget than most others.
must admit not heard about esher but i suspect there is money available.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 10:11
Thomas Snr......?.....Martyn Thomas....?
 
So if know all is correct.....do you mean 100% correct and 5 down one up for 100% certainty and nat 2 amalgamating with nat 3 into 3 regional leagues...for sure?really sure?
 
If you are 100% sure you must be in a position to determine this?......does this mean that decision has been made and now being leaked ...and rfu survey was just a waste of time?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 10:54
Well I don't know nuffink about nuffink, but we do seem to be going backwards here.
 
Purely guessed from my observations as an outsider, I assumed we were looking at a fully national league 2 (or whatever we get called) of 16 clubs, with regionalisation in the leagues below.  This talk of a 3 regional ND2 was prevalent some months ago, but has slowly petered away over the closed season, which is why I assume it has been ditched.
 
I had assumed that the league structure was relatively set (subject to final consultation etc, etc), but it is the management of getting from where we are now, to where we go next that is causing the current strife.  If we are genuinely due an announcement by tomorrow (so before the 'beginning of the league season'), then, other than idle fun (!?), there is not too much point me speculating more. 
 
By 'management' of course, I mean what is done about relegation/promotion this year.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 11:13
SP, Manchester etc will take this seasons money on offer and then along with 3 others slip back into National 2 North.
 
One up from National 2 into the new professional Premiership 2.
 
National 2 North - SP, Man, Wharf, Blaydon, Tynedale, Loo + top 5 or 6 of National 3 (depending on who comes down)
 
National 2 Midlands - as above just change names
 
National 2 South - as above just change names effectively its Greater London, Cornwall and Devon plus
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 11:42
Saturnine,
My understanding ( month's back) was that it was an initial proposal that was put forward by the RFU. A working party would then consult with the leagues involved, the FDR etc. and an announcement made at the end of the study how the proposal had moved forward or changed direction.
Considering the number of parties involved here, I can't see that an agreement is imminent, a statement yes.
But that could be being cynical, history can't always be right, can it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 12:53
sorry blood and sand i dont know the arrangments for promotion/relegation iwas just commenting on funding.i am sure that your FDR rep knows what was discussed last week,which is then referred to the rfu.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 13:36
Yes Greater London and Cornwall in the same leagues, that cuts down the travelling doesnt it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 15:50
Thomas Snr - I do not think Cambridge has a FDR rep yet.
We were hoping to get one next season :-)

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