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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 17:18
Originally posted by Rich13 Rich13 wrote:

Roth definitely have 7 games left. Home to Welsh, Donny and Bristol, away to Notts, Esher, Mose & Bees.
Don't think the Bees game has been re-organised, but as we have to go there in the B&I, wouldn't be gobsmacked to see that re-billed as a double header. It's not like they'll miss out on much gate revenue Wink 

I'll have to await the fixture being organised, but in terms of the predicted table I expect that the result will improve Titans league position to 6th place rather than lifting Bees from the bottom.

Although the double headers seem to improve the Bees resolve in terms of a result.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 17:21
Would love to see Bees escape bottom four but only a dreamLOL.  I reckon  for Great Escape MkII we will be with Esher Moseley and Brizzle; now given their playoff form Evil Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 17:41
This season though would it annoy people if bee's stayed up, they have won a few matches and stayed financially secure?
Your just not thinking 4th dimensionally. Once you hit 88 those indian's won't even be there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 17:47

RFU Championship - Predicted End of Phase 1 Table


Pos Club Pts


1 Worcester Warriors 101

2 London Welsh 82

3 Cornish Pirates 81

4 Bedford Blues 80

5 Nottingham Rugby 55

6 Rotherham Titans 54

7 Doncaster Knights 51

8 Bristol Rugby 36

9 Plymouth Albion 36

10 Esher Rugby 28

11 Moseley 22

12 Birmingham & Solihull 18



Phase 2


Pool A


Worcester Warriors

Bedford Blues

Nottingham Rugby

Bristol Rugby



Pool B


London Welsh

Cornish Pirates

Rotherham Titans

Doncaster Knights



Pool C


Plymouth Albion

Esher Rugby

Moseley

Birmingham & Solihull


I've added the B&I Double Header Bees v Titans on 27th Feb, the result makes little difference to the Pool Stages.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2011 at 09:13
Although I would like that table to be true, I still can't see Bris managing to scloquat it out of the bottom 4. Even if it is on points difference as above.
 
Regarding the Bees comment about avoiding relegation.

Yes I would be tanjong off if Bees avoided relegation IF they were the bottom team, much like Wuss not managing to get promoted IF they are still the top team.
 
As my views on sports network show, I do want Wuss to be promoted, if only to get a handfull of their arrogant, annoying and condesending bananawit supporters that they have of our message boards. I know that does not account for all the Wuss supporters. But some have come out of the woodwork after our game with them and showing a superior than thou attitude.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2011 at 12:52
I think most Plymouth supporters just hope that drop goal miss in front of the posts against Bristol does not prove the difference. Had that gone over Plymouth would have been 7 points in front now with a game in hand. That is the maddest about his league something like that could make the difference between one team getting promoted and another getting relegated.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2011 at 14:23
Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

I think most Plymouth supporters just hope that drop goal miss in front of the posts against Bristol does not prove the difference. Had that gone over Plymouth would have been 7 points in front now with a game in hand. That is the maddest about his league something like that could make the difference between one team getting promoted and another getting relegated.
 
Risking being banned for beating the same bananaing drum.
 
I wish you guys missing the drop goal was the maddest thing about this league (although I'm glad you missed Wink)
 
The Maddest thing is that either of us could be promoted or relegated even though we are in a relatively safe place.
 
I hope the RFU realises that this is a ridiculous format and drops it in favour for first round the post like the good old days. Yes the league may have to be expanded, or bring back the fabled and much missed cup between the various league (can't remember what it's called) to bring in the shortfall in income (or shock horror, increase central funding in the Championship, but this is not the thread to discuss that)
 
I have gone off on too much of a tangent now so I shall stop. (for now)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2011 at 19:41
I am inclined to agree. For a third of the clubs in a 12 team league to have to play off to avoid relegation is as bizarre as the teams in 5th 6th 7th & 8th playing off for an (admittedly  remote) chance of promotion. If you take the Prem, in a 12 team league, the team that finishes bottom goes down. That is how it should be and not congesting the programme with meaningless Mickey Mouse so called B &I cup games, whilst at the same time forcing us to play London Welsh in an important league game on a Wednesday afternoon. Completely crass idiocy.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2011 at 19:44
Agree 100% Rothman - you finish top you go up, you finish bottom you go down! None of the play-off rubbish.Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2011 at 19:52
Or to play the Prem card. How can we plan for next season if we don't know what league we are going to be in ??Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2011 at 19:59
Ditto,this silly playoff arrangement dreampt up by a crew who cant even get us a sponsor!What next playing games in Abu WuddY Buddy!!!!One up one down and a meaningful cup comp in a properly(By Rfu) supported league.On their performances this season,the Titans for example should be no way a prospective candidate for relegation or promotion for that matter.But they have played some good entertaining rugby as have all the other teams i have seen,thats quite enough!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2011 at 20:16
and not congesting the programme with meaningless Mickey Mouse so called B &I cup games,
 
A cup where the final isn't even played on a neutral ground (or over 2 legs).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2011 at 22:08
The winner of the Prem is also decided by play-offs so can't see that changing for years, not that I necessarily agree with it.  It does keep interest in the league though when one team is running away with it and avoids weeks of pointless games.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2011 at 23:28
I like the play off idea, not necessarily its implementation though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jan 2011 at 08:27
Have to admit the relegation fight last season created some of the most passionate rugby of the whole campaign - if only we could ensure this intensity was reproduced week in week out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jan 2011 at 08:45
The gap would be 9pts and top 8 would all but be certain. But we missed the drop attempt and so its only 3pts and we carry on hoping we'll still be there at the end. Beat the pirates tonight and moseley at home and were home and dry. That easy.
Your just not thinking 4th dimensionally. Once you hit 88 those indian's won't even be there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jan 2011 at 09:41
Originally posted by True Notts True Notts wrote:

The winner of the Prem is also decided by play-offs so can't see that changing for years, not that I necessarily agree with it.  It does keep interest in the league though when one team is running away with it and avoids weeks of pointless games.
 
I can understand the Premiership play-offs as correct me if I'm wrong, as much as it's a specticle for Sky viewers it's also a fair way to decide the title after the disruption of the Autumn internationals and six nations, where top teams can have their squads decimated and vast numbers of first team regulars away on international duty. Something that does not affect the Championship.
 
The Play-off/relegation switch was part of an ever failing idea from the RFU to make the second tier a fully professional league. An idea that has failed because of the gulf in funding (another argument for another time) between the relegated team and the other 11 sides (only Exeter could really boast about their situation)
 
And Bristol are paying for years living as fat cats in the big league, where as you guys have had a long time to get used to it and you are much more adept at making the most out of your budgets and sqauds. Bristol are on a steep learning curve. (I digress)
 
I say the idea is failing as the RFU have failed to find a sponsor for both the Championship and the B & I cup in two years suitable enough to please all parties involved. Maybe this is also down to the clubs to be actively involved in. The trouble now is, you can't resort to first round the post with only 22 games. maybe take a hint from Scottish football and after 22 games the top 4 play on against each other twice (or maybe even 3 times) and the remaining 8 play another 7 games each (once against each team) totalling 31 games for the top 4 and 29 for the bottom 8. Which whilst it isn't perfect, it's better than what we've got now.
 
I'm glad there are people that are agreeing with the idea that the league structure isn't right, as I was worried that I'd be pegged as a Bristol fan shouting for top spot promotion as I did last season and now wanting bottom team relegated as my team approaches a possible relegation battle. That is not the case and I will keep banging this drum until it changes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jan 2011 at 11:30
Originally posted by Wireless Wireless wrote:


I've added the B&I Double Header Bees v Titans on 27th Feb, the result makes little difference to the Pool Stages.

Just to clarify, this game is not a double header - Bees v Titans in the Championship has been rearranged for Wednesday 2nd Feb (7:45pm). See http://bit.ly/i7mFQc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jan 2011 at 12:25
Thanks for that, I'll have to redo the data run because it now could affect the output.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jan 2011 at 12:51

RFU Championship - Predicted End of Phase 1 Table


Pos Club Pts


1 Worcester Warriors 101

2 London Welsh 82

3 Cornish Pirates 81

4 Bedford Blues 80

5 Nottingham Rugby 55

6 Rotherham Titans 53

7 Doncaster Knights 51

8 Bristol Rugby 36

9 Plymouth Albion 36

10 Esher Rugby 28

11 Moseley 22

12 Birmingham & Solihull 19



Phase 2


Pool A


Worcester Warriors

Bedford Blues

Nottingham Rugby

Bristol Rugby



Pool B


London Welsh

Cornish Pirates

Rotherham Titans

Doncaster Knights



Pool C


Plymouth Albion

Esher Rugby

Moseley

Birmingham & Solihull


Seems to make little difference to the end of Phase 1, except Bees gain another point, and Titans lose one.
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