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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 2020 at 15:14
Originally posted by Redted Redted wrote:

The RFU sees investment in the community game being through AGPs, RDOs to support Clubs, grants for development and coaching, management and refereeing development. They don’t feel they should be giving money to Clubs to pay players, that should be the choice of the Clubs.

Clubs at Level 3 & 4 don't get RFU grants, just loans.  RDO's do nothing of substance, never see ours and the schools all play rugby so he is not needed there.  AGP's not sure who or what they/this are.   
RFU don't give Level 3 & 4 clubs ANY money to pay for players just around a 40% contribution to travel costs.  If the travel contribution is cut they clubs on the edges of the country suffer big time but clubs near the RFU in the much richer South East are all all right Jack. 

I'm fully aware of the money Clubs at Levels 3/4 receive from the RFU, being currently the Treasurer of a Level 4 Club! I didn't say that the RFU gave money to Clubs to pay for players. What I said was that the RFU don't feel they should be giving money to Clubs to pay players, several posters over the years have asked for this. I'm sorry that you don't see your RDO, we see ours and work with them. The one retained this summer has been very supportive. As well as travel money the RFU dos support our referees and ARs, that isn't all our money. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedWhine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 2020 at 15:23
The Kent Rugby Dev Officers & Community Rugby Coaches do a lot of good work with youth rugby - always happy to run courses & deliver them well.

Really helps improve coaching levels & very helpful around best practice at running youth sections
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Monkey Boy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2020 at 00:17
Originally posted by Redted Redted wrote:

The RFU sees investment in the community game being through AGPs, RDOs to support Clubs, grants for development and coaching, management and refereeing development. They don’t feel they should be giving money to Clubs to pay players, that should be the choice of the Clubs.

Clubs at Level 3 & 4 don't get RFU grants, just loans.  RDO's do nothing of substance, never see ours and the schools all play rugby so he is not needed there.  AGP's not sure who or what they/this are.   
RFU don't give Level 3 & 4 clubs ANY money to pay for players just around a 40% contribution to travel costs.  If the travel contribution is cut they clubs on the edges of the country suffer big time but clubs near the RFU in the much richer South East are all all right Jack. 

No wonder you don’t see your RDO as it doesn’t sound like he’s needed
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2020 at 22:25
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As for Women's Rugby, yes RFU are dead keen if only to bring in the funding they can get from Government initiatives. If you think that 10, 100, 1000 Womens sides are going to appear in the next 5-10 years then I would a say more like halfway between the two first numbers if we are lucky. 

Have to disagree with that based on local experience in last 5 yrs

In Berks 5 yrs ago Newbury, Reading, Bracknell & Windsor had a teams each
Bracknell became Crowthorne (well the players defected) but have since reformed at Bracknell as well, Reading Abbey formed a team and made it up to Champ level and now have a 2nd team, Newbury have a 2nd team, Rams formed a team, Reading and Windsor still going. So in last 5 yrs Berks alone has gone from 4 teams at 4 clubs to 9 at 7. Over the same time girls rugby has gone from a single BaaBaas team at u15 & 18 to 6 u13 teams, 4 u15 and 2 ish u18 teams, county trials at U15 was 22 5 yrs ago which was all the girls in berks at that age group inc those playing up from u13 on a dispensation, this year there were 74 at U15 with no dispensation (was ended when the sex split dropped from u12 to u11) and many other not trialling.

Still opportunity for other clubs like Maidenhead to form ladies teams (they run touch currently)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2020 at 07:19
D, great, indeed the W&Gs game has developed and continues to do so, however my point was in reply to Halliford's point that the 1500 or so Clubs in England will have a Ladies Team in the near future. They won't. Think you're own figures say in FOUR years you've added 3 Clubs in your county. That's means you've started to flatline on the growth front.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote billesleyexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2020 at 09:46
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

D, great, indeed the W&Gs game has developed and continues to do so, however my point was in reply to Halliford's point that the 1500 or so Clubs in England will have a Ladies Team in the near future. They won't. Think you're own figures say in FOUR years you've added 3 Clubs in your county. That's means you've started to flatline on the growth front.

Depends on the circumstances of each club though doesn't it (where they are and what they can offer)? AIUI (well it was correct on Monday so they might have heard now) Moseley have got enough women players now that they're waiting to hear imminently from the RFU on whether they can enter a second team into the leagues.

Now, they *could* be told to go off and start/join another team, but apparently they want to play for Moseley...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Camp Freddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2020 at 11:34
Dad, I have to agree with Piff Paff.

My wife is still playing Senior rugby after 31 seasons at both University and our club, she founded our Womens XV 25 seasons ago and we have been fortunate to play uninterupted during that time.

My daughter now plays seniors after coming through the continuum from the age of five to found the girls teams at the club so she could play. We now have U15s, U18s and 25+ Senior Women.

I told the misses that the RFUs goal was to get a Womens team in all the clubs in the Union (1500+).

After 30 minutes she stopped laughing at me.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2020 at 11:54
Goals are generally meant to be SMART Specific measurable Achievalbe Relevant and Time bounded.
We are not going to get a women's team in every club this season (if ever).
Surely it is better to have a goal for this season - perhaps a minimum number of teams in every CB - ad I freely admit I have not checked where we are on, so all players have a viable league without too much travel. And then expand from there.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Goals are generally meant to be SMART Specific measurable Achievalbe Relevant and Time bounded.
We are not going to get a women's team in every club this season (if ever).
Surely it is better to have a goal for this season - perhaps a minimum number of teams in every CB - ad I freely admit I have not checked where we are on, so all players have a viable league without too much travel. And then expand from there.


Good suggestion, I know someone who plays rugby but her club haven't got 15 players.

It wood be a good idea to get more women involved - expanding the number of clubs will then maturely follow.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2020 at 22:38
i should say i am in Berkshire which only has 13 voting clubs and not even all of them have minis & juniors so a growth from 4 to 7 is from 1/3 to 1/2 of all clubs, agreed no chance of all teams within a year - Slough won't neither would Phoenix/Drifters or Aldermaston, Tadley & Thatcham could (but the latter are v.close to Newbury) and Berkshre Shire Hall was the old council sports and social club before the county council was abolished so v.unlikely.

As for you Raider that would be great but the RFU ruled out cluster clubs for girls rugby - it happens at ladies (crowthorne do stuff with Risborough despite the distance) but the general push seems to be that they believe it dissuades clubs forming their own teams. In Sussex you have the weirdness of Pulborough national U18 champions 3 years out of last 4 who can hardly run a ladies team as their girls get hoovered up (although I know Alex and Julie did great things with the Worthing Girls - great pair)

The big thing is that 5 years ago 12 year old girls were travelling from Newbury to Aylesford in Kent or Welwyn for a Sunday afternoon friendly game but now can play Reading, Bracknell, Abbey or Rams within the county - that will work through the ages and in a few years the adult rugby will follow
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2020 at 23:46
You cannot play a friendly game against Welwyn.
Sorry that just does not compute.
Either you turn up with the South West divisional squad or they put 50 points on you.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2020 at 01:54

I remember watching them get very grumpy trying to play the regs to turn a semifinal match into a 10's game to win but coming up against a manager with a copy of the regs on him. They were given 15 mins to decide whether to concede and a play a friendly or play short handed. Some "injured" girls recovered, the game was played and they were beaten (on neutral ground at grasshoppers if I remember rightly) think it was first girls season I was involved in so 5 yrs ago

And I think my daughters team have beaten them a few times, def more times than OA's who are stronger currently 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jun 2020 at 15:49
Apparently accordingto the Times (beind a paywall) the County Cricket grounds have realised they are pubs with outdoor seating. The fact that there might be a cricket match on the green is just an added bonus.

I do not believe this helps rugby.
You can play Cricket from a distance of one metre.
Indeed you can require the batsman - and the keeper if standing up - to wear a helmet with persex over the grille.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jun 2020 at 16:19
What it does do is help Cub finances. We can now open our Bar to members and guests and start taking bookings again. We can't play yet but starting to bring in cash is an important step. Let me know when you're down my way and I'll buy you a 1 metre distanced pint!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jun 2020 at 18:07
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Apparently accordingto the Times (beind a paywall) the County Cricket grounds have realised they are pubs with outdoor seating. The fact that there might be a cricket match on the green is just an added bonus.

I do not believe this helps rugby.
You can play Cricket from a distance of one metre.
Indeed you can require the batsman - and the keeper if standing up - to wear a helmet with persex over the grille.



Not to mention they can charge you to get into the 'beer garden'
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

By my reckoning it would take 375 Seats to allow for 100 Social Distant Seating arrangements, therefore Twickers capacity would be around 21K



Can you explain your calculation? Also is it based on 1 or 2m self distancing?

Clearly Raider, my calculations are the same as the RFU/HM Gov one. Big smile

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Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

By my reckoning it would take 375 Seats to allow for 100 Social Distant Seating arrangements, therefore Twickers capacity would be around 21K



Can you explain your calculation? Also is it based on 1 or 2m self distancing?


Clearly Raider, my calculations are the same as the RFU/HM Gov one. Big smile



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2020 at 23:37
I am now confused.
We are being usrged to go back to school, university and work.
But we are not meant to socialise.
So god knows when we will be permitted to play rugby.

Cambridge had a good training session for minis, juniors and seniors followed by a scoialy distanced bbq on Saturday. Regretably I arrived late - but not before the food or beer ran out.
So I only saw the videos from training.

Not sure when we will be able to do that agian now, let alone arange a match.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 07:25
I've just read that 'organised team sport' is excluded - but presumably only for the players and not the spectators.

Edited by Mark W-J - 09 Sep 2020 at 07:26
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 11:04
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

I've just read that 'organised team sport' is excluded - but presumably only for the players and not the spectators.


As long as each group of up to 6 spectators socially distance from other groups then surely this is allowed - no different from going to the pub or restaurant, apart from being outside so less of a risk
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