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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote French Connection Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 12:53
As with lot of things, it's a little more complicated than that. Here in France, Sport in general is supported by the government to a degree that's inconceivable over there. Most clubs, including ours, have their stadia and facilities provided by the local council, making running costs much, much less. As a result, sport is much more accessible and popular. Rugby here is just a bigger thing that back in England. Fed 1 - Level 3 - has been televised live for some time now, and crowds in general are bigger. Communities get behind their local club in terms of sponsorship in a much greater way. My club are in Fed 3 and we average 500 for a home game, and actually got 4500 in when we played our local derby last season. I've been involved closely in running clubs at national league level in both England and France and the difference is large - it's just so, so much harder over there.  It's not the FFR that are better than the RFU - far from it - it's a difference in government policy in general. The French complain  non stop about the amount of tax they pay - which is greater than the UK - but for that they get so much more provided by the state. France is basically a much more socialist society, which suits some and not others.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Woody Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 13:50
OK so the French comparison is not great but the RFU are still casting aside responsibility for the welfare and growth of the game outside the top flight.

Rather than proactively trying to grow the game they are narrowing the focus and opportunities for development outside 12 clubs.

I support a championship side who do just manage to exist most years. They have had their funding slashed over the next two yrs and main sponsorship has gone from the league. The RFU still think the Championship is a good development pathway but they are not prepared to fund it...

I coach youth at another very lowly club and the rfu support is not evident to me. So where is the reinvestment in grass roots which is obligatory in football? Where does all the money from Sky and Twickenham go?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 13:59
Woody - I think you know the answer to your own question - Eddie Jones's Club England and the Premiership!! A few scraps for the rest to squabble over

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 14:04
I also think French soccer is much lass dominant - meaning more TV time and money for other sports.
The downside it that the Premiership feels it needs to match the French clubs spending in order to be competitive in Europe.

Which means they need to be supported by the RFU - which leaves the RFU with no money for anything else.

A salary cap on the French clubs would be helpful to all the other unions.

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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I also think French soccer is much lass dominant - meaning more TV time and money for other sports.
The downside it that the Premiership feels it needs to match the French clubs spending in order to be competitive in Europe.

Which means they need to be supported by the RFU - which leaves the RFU with no money for anything else.

A salary cap on the French clubs would be helpful to all the other unions.




I quite agree, French clubs are supposed to have a salary cap, but it is either a huge amount or the French in their usual manner ignore it.

European competition is a big problem as the Irish, Welsh and Scottish are regions rather than clubs.
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The Premiership is not exactly awash with profits!
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Reading Sweeney’s comments on Sky Sports News yesterday it seems ring fencing is coming. The article says the Premiership and National Team would play a “season” from December to July, but the Championship and lower would keep to the traditional September to April. This will immediately rule out promotion and relegation 
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Originally posted by Bedfordian Bedfordian wrote:

Reading Sweeney’s comments on Sky Sports News yesterday it seems ring fencing is coming. The article says the Premiership and National Team would play a “season” from December to July, but the Championship and lower would keep to the traditional September to April. This will immediately rule out promotion and relegation 

They are going to get their way by hook or by crook.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 09:09
This is a dream come true for the RFU and the Prem - I can hear the pathetic rhetoric coming out now along the lines of "We weren't really in favour of ring fencing as it destroys the dreams of many aspiring clubs who are trying to climb the ladder but the realignment of the World season has left us with no other option blah, blah, blah" 
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I suspect a legal challenge will be put in against such a ruling by the Championship clubs and either some significant sweetener will be offered up, or the RFU and PRL will lose. I think they are aware of this so will keep up the talk and hope the Championship teams and the National Leagues will just bend the knee and and accept what they are saying. I would be interested to hear what the incoming Chair of the Championship clubs would have to say on said subject. 
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Steve lloyd has given a 25 minute interview which covers several aspects of RFU funding and Game Restart. Well worth watching.
https://www.drfc.co.uk/steve-lloyd-the-big-interview/

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As a fan generally of mess up over conspiracy, I'd not be surprised if they just haven't thought about it. When talking the other week to someone with links to the RFU (central) about this, I was a little astonished at the following exchange:

"but what about promotion and relegation if the prem moves to a different season?"

"it would continue as normal - why would it change?"

"well, for a start, because the promoted club is going to win promotion to a league which has already started/been half finished? Are they just going to have most of a year off?"

"oh, that's a point actually"
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Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

As a fan generally of mess up over conspiracy, I'd not be surprised if they just haven't thought about it. When talking the other week to someone with links to the RFU (central) about this, I was a little astonished at the following exchange:

"but what about promotion and relegation if the prem moves to a different season?"

"it would continue as normal - why would it change?"

"well, for a start, because the promoted club is going to win promotion to a league which has already started/been half finished? Are they just going to have most of a year off?"

"oh, that's a point actually"

Perhaps they are hoping that we wouldn't notice
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

As a fan generally of mess up over conspiracy, I'd not be surprised if they just haven't thought about it. When talking the other week to someone with links to the RFU (central) about this, I was a little astonished at the following exchange:

"but what about promotion and relegation if the prem moves to a different season?"

"it would continue as normal - why would it change?"

"well, for a start, because the promoted club is going to win promotion to a league which has already started/been half finished? Are they just going to have most of a year off?"

"oh, that's a point actually"

Perhaps they are hoping that we wouldn't notice


I am sure the winners of the Championship would be reasonably happy to have a long pre-season whilst waiting for the next Premieship season to start.

At least it would give them time to build a decent squad unlike the present situation.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 21:34
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

As a fan generally of mess up over conspiracy, I'd not be surprised if they just haven't thought about it. When talking the other week to someone with links to the RFU (central) about this, I was a little astonished at the following exchange:

"but what about promotion and relegation if the prem moves to a different season?"

"it would continue as normal - why would it change?"

"well, for a start, because the promoted club is going to win promotion to a league which has already started/been half finished? Are they just going to have most of a year off?"

"oh, that's a point actually"

Perhaps they are hoping that we wouldn't notice


I am sure the winners of the Championship would be reasonably happy to have a long pre-season whilst waiting for the next Premieship season to start.

At least it would give them time to build a decent squad unlike the present situation.

the present situation whereby Newcastle last played on Mar 14, were declared Champ winners in April and may not play again until 2021?! Sounds exactly like the present situation!
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

I am sure the winners of the Championship would be reasonably happy to have a long pre-season whilst waiting for the next Premieship season to start.

Meanwhile, the next Championship season has to run with eleven clubs because the last Premiership season hasn't finished yet.  Or we could insist that the relegated club play all 22 fixtures in the January to May window (21/22 weeks, shouldn't be a problem Wink) to level the playing field.
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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

I am sure the winners of the Championship would be reasonably happy to have a long pre-season whilst waiting for the next Premieship season to start.

Meanwhile, the next Championship season has to run with eleven clubs because the last Premiership season hasn't finished yet.  Or we could insist that the relegated club play all 22 fixtures in the January to May window (21/22 weeks, shouldn't be a problem Wink) to level the playing field.

This is it in a nutshell. I know we're naturally all looking at it from the point of view of the promoted side, but actually you can just about sell it as a good thing - time to prepare, etc. Where it falls down is with the relegated side - what's on offer is so bad that there's no way that PRL would get it through. No rugby for x months while your side is picked over (probably by the newly promoted one) for anyone who might be able to do a job. And every other player getting itchy feet too. Never mind the chaos in store for the one going up, it's the effect on the one going down that makes this a non-starter. 

The only way it could work (in any sane way) would be with multi-year licensing dependent on bids, rather than performance on the pitch. And I'm not a fan of that either...
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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

I am sure the winners of the Championship would be reasonably happy to have a long pre-season whilst waiting for the next Premieship season to start.

Meanwhile, the next Championship season has to run with eleven clubs because the last Premiership season hasn't finished yet.  Or we could insist that the relegated club play all 22 fixtures in the January to May window (21/22 weeks, shouldn't be a problem Wink) to level the playing field.

offered my (slightly t-i-c) solution to this a couple of weeks ago: "they [Sarries] can play their final Prem game at 2pm at the Allianz [on whatever date] & then put out a different XXIII on the same ground (except now sponsored by Lidl or Poundworld) in Championship opener at 5pm"
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