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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by JonDee JonDee wrote:

The latest update from the BBC has anyone heard from the RFU

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53511058

Teams having to travel on 2 buses to away matches and players to sleep in single rooms if staying overnight. Fully understandable but very expensive.


I hear twice a week from the RFU with their Coronavirus Update. This article applies to the Premiership. For all other Leagues we are still at Stage B on the Return to Play which allows groups of up to 6 to train together using dedicated equipment and strict cleaning practices. It’s working well but we are many weeks away from playing by which time social distancing rules from the Government May have changed.


Thanks Halliford sure you will advise when something comes up
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I'm a glass half full kinda person, but not here. I just cannot see how this season is gonna happen. The ECB faffed n fuddled with the most socially distant sport, so can only imagine what the bods at twickers are thinking. I believe the spectre of litigation hangs over every decision made so caution turns to over cautious to overkill. Without tests there cannot be any close quarters action, which for me eliminates the scrum, ruck & pick n go, so we're talking rugby league with one up tackles. Hope I'm wrong but I just can't see it.
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Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

I'm a glass half full kinda person, but not here. I just cannot see how this season is gonna happen. The ECB faffed n fuddled with the most socially distant sport, so can only imagine what the bods at twickers are thinking. I believe the spectre of litigation hangs over every decision made so caution turns to over cautious to overkill. Without tests there cannot be any close quarters action, which for me eliminates the scrum, ruck & pick n go, so we're talking rugby league with one up tackles. Hope I'm wrong but I just can't see it.


If you are right re tests that could even stop tackling !!!
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Full stadia unlikely for football this season ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53556072

Know its football and we don't often have full stadia but how would we segregate fans if we don't have stands all the way round
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Ealing back to stage 2 (contact) training.
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Ealing back to stage 2 (contact) training.


Brilliant hope we can all follow.
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Just so I am clear on the present situation. Playing matches or contact in training cannot resume until social distancing is abolished unless you are a professional team and can afford to test your players every week? Basically when sweaty nightclubs can reopen then rugby normality will also return?
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Originally posted by rugbychris rugbychris wrote:

Just so I am clear on the present situation. Playing matches or contact in training cannot resume until social distancing is abolished unless you are a professional team and can afford to test your players every week? Basically when sweaty nightclubs can reopen then rugby normality will also return?

Ealing is doing weekly tests, and daily symptom checks, and are (according to their press release) back in contact training, so I dont think we need to wait for any further relaxation of social distancing.
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This is the latest projection (source: journalist Will Kelleher on Twitter) for how top-flight & international rugby may proceed later this year, including the proposed 8-team November series (featuring 6N teams + Fiji + Japan). It doesn't mean lower tiers, including the Championship, will be the same, but nevertheless of interest...

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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by rugbychris rugbychris wrote:

Just so I am clear on the present situation. Playing matches or contact in training cannot resume until social distancing is abolished unless you are a professional team and can afford to test your players every week? Basically when sweaty nightclubs can reopen then rugby normality will also return?


Ealing is doing weekly tests, and daily symptom checks, and are (according to their press release) back in contact training, so I dont think we need to wait for any further relaxation of social distancing.


Money talks, so Trailfinders and presumably Saracens will get a huge advantage over the other 10 Championship sides?
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by rugbychris rugbychris wrote:

Just so I am clear on the present situation. Playing matches or contact in training cannot resume until social distancing is abolished unless you are a professional team and can afford to test your players every week? Basically when sweaty nightclubs can reopen then rugby normality will also return?


Ealing is doing weekly tests, and daily symptom checks, and are (according to their press release) back in contact training, so I dont think we need to wait for any further relaxation of social distancing.


Money talks, so Trailfinders and presumably Saracens will get a huge advantage over the other 10 Championship sides?


At the moment they will be able to play against each other and no one else so it could be a bit boring after a month . Fair play to Ealing who are happy to spend but as I have asked more than once what is the criteria for getting teams back to play and who is paying for it. Premiership have a criteria , the community game has a plan but where does the Championship fit in
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Originally posted by JonDee JonDee wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by rugbychris rugbychris wrote:

Just so I am clear on the present situation. Playing matches or contact in training cannot resume until social distancing is abolished unless you are a professional team and can afford to test your players every week? Basically when sweaty nightclubs can reopen then rugby normality will also return?


Ealing is doing weekly tests, and daily symptom checks, and are (according to their press release) back in contact training, so I dont think we need to wait for any further relaxation of social distancing.


Money talks, so Trailfinders and presumably Saracens will get a huge advantage over the other 10 Championship sides?


At the moment they will be able to play against each other and no one else so it could be a bit boring after a month . Fair play to Ealing who are happy to spend but as I have asked more than once what is the criteria for getting teams back to play and who is paying for it. Premiership have a criteria , the community game has a plan but where does the Championship fit in


Except, as currently Saracens will be playing in the soon to restart Premiership, Trailfinders will not have anyone to play.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 17:08
According to the BBC the Premier 15 clubs have been cleared for stage 1 training.
Not sure how this compares to stage B.
Confused - you will be after watching the next episode of RFU Soap.
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Until we're down to zero social distance or "normal", rugby cannot resume. You can have all the abc's n 123's you like, but without testing you cannot go face to face, breath to breath...it just won't happen. Forget this season.

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Stage 1 training is very similar to Stage B. The difference is that Stage 1 is for professional Clubs and involves daily temperature testing, weekly virus testing and larger numbers, although socially-distanced. It costs about £100 per player per week which is why it doesn’t apply to semi-pro Clubs. The RFU have followed cricket and soccer in submitting their Return to Play protocol to DCMS and are awaiting a response. They hope to move to Stage C very soon, allowing larger groups to train, but still no contact. The expectation is that each move to a new step will take 4 weeks. If we move to Stage C this week then we could be playing from 1st November.

I suspect that the article run by the Guardian on Monday in which the Sports Minister suggested a return to play without scrums is based on him having been briefed on the RFU submission.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Stage 1 training is very similar to Stage B. The difference is that Stage 1 is for professional Clubs and involves daily temperature testing, weekly virus testing and larger numbers, although socially-distanced. It costs about £100 per player per week which is why it doesn’t apply to semi-pro Clubs. The RFU have followed cricket and soccer in submitting their Return to Play protocol to DCMS and are awaiting a response. They hope to move to Stage C very soon, allowing larger groups to train, but still no contact. The expectation is that each move to a new step will take 4 weeks. If we move to Stage C this week then we could be playing from 1st November.

I suspect that the article run by the Guardian on Monday in which the Sports Minister suggested a return to play without scrums is based on him having been briefed on the RFU submission.

I would suggest that the minister is leading himself & others up the garden path. Not gonna happen, local spikes across the country & one positive can scupper two teams fixtures for two weeks. Feet up n watch the pros.
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Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Stage 1 training is very similar to Stage B. The difference is that Stage 1 is for professional Clubs and involves daily temperature testing, weekly virus testing and larger numbers, although socially-distanced. It costs about £100 per player per week which is why it doesn’t apply to semi-pro Clubs. The RFU have followed cricket and soccer in submitting their Return to Play protocol to DCMS and are awaiting a response. They hope to move to Stage C very soon, allowing larger groups to train, but still no contact. The expectation is that each move to a new step will take 4 weeks. If we move to Stage C this week then we could be playing from 1st November.

I suspect that the article run by the Guardian on Monday in which the Sports Minister suggested a return to play without scrums is based on him having been briefed on the RFU submission.


I would suggest that the minister is leading himself & others up the garden path. Not gonna happen, local spikes across the country & one positive can scupper two teams fixtures for two weeks. Feet up n watch the pros.


Halliford agree with you but how does it work in the Championship where there a fully professional squads and part time squads will they be able to play each other?
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I'm very sorry to say this, but I see no community rugby union being played before we have testing (too expensive) or a vaccine. Clubs need to find a way of using their facilities to raise money until that happens.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 09:48
Originally posted by JonDee JonDee wrote:

Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Stage 1 training is very similar to Stage B. The difference is that Stage 1 is for professional Clubs and involves daily temperature testing, weekly virus testing and larger numbers, although socially-distanced. It costs about £100 per player per week which is why it doesn’t apply to semi-pro Clubs. The RFU have followed cricket and soccer in submitting their Return to Play protocol to DCMS and are awaiting a response. They hope to move to Stage C very soon, allowing larger groups to train, but still no contact. The expectation is that each move to a new step will take 4 weeks. If we move to Stage C this week then we could be playing from 1st November.

I suspect that the article run by the Guardian on Monday in which the Sports Minister suggested a return to play without scrums is based on him having been briefed on the RFU submission.


I would suggest that the minister is leading himself & others up the garden path. Not gonna happen, local spikes across the country & one positive can scupper two teams fixtures for two weeks. Feet up n watch the pros.


Halliford agree with you but how does it work in the Championship where there a fully professional squads and part time squads will they be able to play each other?

Guess what! We are back into the old Catch 22 situation. The PRL has set standards for professional teams, which now includes Ealing, while the RFU is setting standards for the community game which starts at Level 3. No consideration is apparently given to semi-pro clubs at Level 2. Not new, but .....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JonDee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 12:22
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by JonDee JonDee wrote:

Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Stage 1 training is very similar to Stage B. The difference is that Stage 1 is for professional Clubs and involves daily temperature testing, weekly virus testing and larger numbers, although socially-distanced. It costs about £100 per player per week which is why it doesn’t apply to semi-pro Clubs. The RFU have followed cricket and soccer in submitting their Return to Play protocol to DCMS and are awaiting a response. They hope to move to Stage C very soon, allowing larger groups to train, but still no contact. The expectation is that each move to a new step will take 4 weeks. If we move to Stage C this week then we could be playing from 1st November.

I suspect that the article run by the Guardian on Monday in which the Sports Minister suggested a return to play without scrums is based on him having been briefed on the RFU submission.


I would suggest that the minister is leading himself & others up the garden path. Not gonna happen, local spikes across the country & one positive can scupper two teams fixtures for two weeks. Feet up n watch the pros.


Halliford agree with you but how does it work in the Championship where there a fully professional squads and part time squads will they be able to play each other?


Guess what! We are back into the old Catch 22 situation. The PRL has set standards for professional teams, which now includes Ealing, while the RFU is setting standards for the community game which starts at Level 3. No consideration is apparently given to semi-pro clubs at Level 2. Not new, but .....


Been asking for weeks but no one has an idea I really am beginning to think the RFU is going to !!!!!!!!!!!! the Championship using C19 as the excuse in addition apparently according to the BBC the government is cancelling the trials for spectators at sports events due to the increased cases in the NW
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