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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Was waiting for that from you FP - just surprised it took you so long!!😆😆

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Will Doncaster Phoenix be playing in the midlands or north in 19/20 season
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2019 at 13:57
I think unless another club volunteers (Wirral or Lymm?) then both Sheffield & Phoenix will remain in the Midlands
If it comes to a "mileage shootout" Phoenix would probably head back North and Lymm would come into Midlands
All supposition of course - Dagfish is your Go-To on these matters
We still don't know who is heading SW from the Midlands but Bromsgrove are a very short price!!
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My understanding is that no Northern club "remains" in Midland Premier. Sandbach, Sheffield &  Doncaster Phoenix returned to their home region at the end of the season.

Next season is treated as a completely separate entity, but again 3 clubs will be required to level transfer from North to Midlands. If no clubs volunteer, the ones with lowest mileage are likely to be Sandbach, Macclesfield and Sheffield, and these clubs would then have no choice but to be transferred. 
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If the Midlands transfers are anything to go by the period in which to volunteer to move from North to Midlands will have expired over the weekend. Presumably Sandbach will have done … they have every season since promotion but interesting to know what will have happened after that.

Midlands Premier could be unbelievably top heavy next season with four relegated clubs … Macclesfield, Bees, South Leicester and Peterborough Lions plus two from the previous season in Broadstreet and Sheffield. That's six clubs with recent National Two experience to add to the ambition of Newport, Bridgnorth and Bournville. Going to be a tough season for Sandbach, Nuneaton, Burton and the promoted clubs.
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Couldn't agree more Athman plus two of the clubs you've mentioned as possible strugglers have also made a statement of intent
Nuns advertising for a Nat1 standard player/coach and the newly retired Marcello Bosch added to the coaching team at Burton where they already have an Argie at 10 and several South Africans
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Originally posted by Athman Athman wrote:

If the Midlands transfers are anything to go by the period in which to volunteer to move from North to Midlands will have expired over the weekend. Presumably Sandbach will have done … they have every season since promotion but interesting to know what will have happened after that.

Midlands Premier could be unbelievably top heavy next season with four relegated clubs … Macclesfield, Bees, South Leicester and Peterborough Lions plus two from the previous season in Broadstreet and Sheffield. That's six clubs with recent National Two experience to add to the ambition of Newport, Bridgnorth and Bournville. Going to be a tough season for Sandbach, Nuneaton, Burton and the promoted clubs.

I wouldn't have thought Macclesfield as a natural progression to Midlands Athman. Especially as it's in Cheshire. More likely North Prem and would probably take the place of Hull.


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Originally posted by Athman Athman wrote:

Midlands Premier could be unbelievably top heavy next season with four relegated clubs … Macclesfield, Bees, South Leicester and Peterborough Lions plus two from the previous season in Broadstreet and Sheffield. That's six clubs with recent National Two experience to add to the ambition of Newport, Bridgnorth and Bournville. Going to be a tough season for Sandbach, Nuneaton, Burton and the promoted clubs.
 
As has been pointed out earlier Bees have announced 'that at the present time, the club is not in a position to commit to contracts that would involve the payment of players at Level 5 in the 2019/20 season'. Three (now former) key Bees players having already signed for Bournville and I think many others of this just-ended season's squad could well also depart because of the current lack of guarantee of payment or if in due course it is confirmed payment will be much reduced or non-existent (time will tell). Thus, the Bees squad for the new season could well be substantially different to that of 2018/19.
 
The background to this is that B&S RC Ltd -a company limited by shares- is owned by Mr. Chris Loughran (CL) who rescued the Bees when they went bust in 2008 (by founding the said company to replace the insolvent one). CL has extremely generously supported financially the company since 2008. A while ago he gave notice that his support would terminate at the end of the 2018/19 season. As a result a new company, limited by guarantee (aka a 'members' club'), B&S RFC Ltd, was founded last year to take over the rugby activities of B&S RC Ltd from the 2019/20 season. The new company/club will be like any rugby club that does not have a generous benefactor.    


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Whilst some may be shedding a tear for poor old Bromsgrove if they're level transferred, it's a fact that they will not be the team with the furthest to travel in the SW during the 2019/20 season. 

Camborne's season will see them needing to travel a total of 4,010* miles in round trips. 
Maidenhead then come a close 2nd with 3,924* miles
Bromsgrove don't even get the Bronze position as Bracknell will be third biggest travellers with 3,754* miles

Bromsgrove come in 4th at 3,694* miles and Newbury (my club) next at 3,354* miles.  (Bromsgrove's local derby will be Drybrook at a mere 49 miles)

(* - blame Google maps for the mileage calcs)

Bromsgrove wouldn't even have the dubious honour of having longest single journey in that league if they came down....! (Bromsgrove to Camborne is 242 miles). 

That honour goes to Maidenhead (268 miles to Camborne). 
Bracknell to Camborne is 265 miles.
Newbury to Camborne is 243 miles

Again, Bromsgrove wouldn't even medal in the 'Highest mileage single journey' competition.

Over the entire season their mileage will be high if they come across but it wouldn't be spectacular compared to Camborne..  



The RFU ARE going to have to do something about the structure at this level if their travel allowance tap gets turned off any further though. It's unsustainable for clubs, players and any support base they have for SW clubs from what I can see.  

None of the Newbury lads are paid to play (not even travel expenses). They haven't been paid for a great many seasons (since the visit to the financial cliff edge imposed by HMRC) but now that we're back into SW Prem again if the begging bowls come out once more to pay for a coach to get down to the West Country because the RFU aren't coughing up it's going to take it's toll.   


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Bromsgrove  were last  in the SW division 2016-2017 season
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Assuming Bromsgrove are the level transfer for SW the mileage for this league is as per the table   The lowest return mileage for the season will be by Exeter Uni with only 2,090 return miles of travel to play their matches... other teams look on that mileage in envy, the lucky bug*ers.... until they look at the LSE table and the Midlands table and see that being in the SW league means you get shafted and spend half your weekend travelling to matches (assuming the girlfriend/wife/partner allows you a Day Pass)



By way of comparison the LSE league mileages are much easier to handle (accepting the fact that I haven't added the mileage for Guernsey and there will still be one level transfer to be made) as several teams won't even be travelling a total of 1,000 miles through the entire season.  Mileage figure is what the RFU decide on. They don't take into account that a 30 mile journey around the M25 London Orbital car park on a Saturday may take a couple of hours, but there you go.... 





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A similar picture for Midlands teams. The table below assumes Bedford will be in there. There are two names for slots (assuming Bromsgrove are out) which will bump some of the mileages up, but not by a great deal compared to SW Premier mileages.... Bedford currently highest mileage, but even with two teams to add their mileages I suspect it's going to be low compared to the SW lot.





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...my Northern Premier mileage table looks a bit of a mess until it's decided which three teams will be shifted around and level transferred.. The mileage figures shown are for a 17 team league, so those mileages will be coming down but it gives a starting point.  Given the mileages maybe there's a case for Bracknell to be transferred to LSE and someone else comes from Midlands to SW along with Bromsgrove...


  


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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Nothing official about Bromsgrove but I cant see the other 2 mentioned in dispatches (Bees & Bournville) volunteering for the gig
Actually just looking where Bees are (Solihull right at side of Mway) mileage calculations for travel to SW might be very close between them and Bromsgrove - Anyone done the Maths??
Bromsgrove would have less of an overall season mileage to do than Bees (3,694 vs 3,904 miles) so I reckon Bromsgrove are set to be pushed back into SW. Their only consolation, as I've already banged on about, is that we're all suffering in the SW what with Camborne being located right down by Land's End and Launceston not far off it.  Suggest those two clubs play their home matches at a neutral venue....  Wink

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LockNLoader Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 17:21
Thanks Dobber! 

We can only wish for a neutral venue! Wink 

Some grim readings for us Newbs players! Cry
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cobbler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2019 at 23:45
Yes those are interesting stats Dobber. Even with 3 Northern teams in Midlands the journeys will be short (and no M25 car park aspect), especially when Bedford Ath are removed.
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Couldn't agree more Athman plus two of the clubs you've mentioned as possible strugglers have also made a statement of intent
Nuns advertising for a Nat1 standard player/coach and the newly retired Marcello Bosch added to the coaching team at Burton where they already have an Argie at 10 and several South Africans
 
Are you pulling my p**ser. Has MBosch been to Burton? Cannot see him strolling down the banks of the Trent in his designer gear!!
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When I visited Bedford Ath in January, their members were very keen to remain in N3LSE, and their subsequent performances showed that they are a good team, more than capable of holding their own in this division. Does anyone know the likelihood of them returning to N3Mids? I see Dobber has included them in his Midlands mileage calculations.Confused
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Bedford members just fancy a trip to Guernsey..... I put them there on the basis of Dagfish's graphic on page 2.  In pure mileage terms Bedford would be better in Midlands as their travelling would be less. They wouldn't also have to face the horrors of the M25 and Dartford tunnel etc to add hours to journey times.  
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EVERYONE in LSE fancies a trip to Guernsey (except the treasurers)! I think it's highly unlikely they'll go back to the midlands for the reasons mentioned above plus there was an earlier post supposedly confirming they had agreed to stay.
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