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The problem may not be counties but the old Divisional boundaries.

With the width of South England being several times that of North England a possible solution might be to have 5 regions

South West and West
South Central and West London
South East and East London
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North

Boundaries, particularly in the South would need to be a bit fluid dependant on the clubs involved.

Pyramid structures beneath all 5 regions

Promotion to N2 - North and Midlands as currently
The 3 Southern regions winner only to be promoted
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

The problem may not be counties but the old Divisional boundaries.

With the width of South England being several times that of North England a possible solution might be to have 5 regions

South West and West
South Central and West London
South East and East London
Midlands
North

Boundaries, particularly in the South would need to be a bit fluid dependant on the clubs involved.

Pyramid structures beneath all 5 regions

Promotion to N2 - North and Midlands as currently
The 3 Southern regions winner only to be promoted

Without being critical or having a better idea but what happens if 2 teams of the same regions or god forbid 3 are in the relegation zone aren't you still going to have the same problem? Ouch
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Originally posted by Dobber Dobber wrote:

Maidenhead to Camborne is a 530 mile round trip. About 12 gallons of fuel. Not much change from £80. 


Camborne away fixtures to Maidenhead and Bracknell alone, just those two fixtures, add up to more mileage than 6 of the LSE Clubs do in an entire season.  I've got nothing else to add to that.  It's just jaw-dropping.  

Thanks Dobber for doing the legwork and posting the mileage tables.  

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And I think Dobber's analysis has shown why the Midlands/Bromsgrove appeal will fail as they would have only the fourth highest travelling distance in the South West division and cannot therefore claim that it is disproportionate or unusual!

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Originally posted by Athman Athman wrote:

And I think Dobber's analysis has shown why the Midlands/Bromsgrove appeal will fail as they would have only the fourth highest travelling distance in the South West division and cannot therefore claim that it is disproportionate or unusual!

Athman, that is certainly true but I am told that Bromsgrove's appeal against being level transferred to the SW is being backed fully by the Midlands League Organising Committee which is tasked with enforcing the transfer rules on behalf of the RFU. Surely, this is unprecedented and we are in a whole new ball game? I have never heard of this happening before.
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Originally posted by Fudgepacker Fudgepacker wrote:

Originally posted by Athman Athman wrote:

And I think Dobber's analysis has shown why the Midlands/Bromsgrove appeal will fail as they would have only the fourth highest travelling distance in the South West division and cannot therefore claim that it is disproportionate or unusual!

Athman, that is certainly true but I am told that Bromsgrove's appeal against being level transferred to the SW is being backed fully by the Midlands League Organising Committee which is tasked with enforcing the transfer rules on behalf of the RFU. Surely, this is unprecedented and we are in a whole new ball game? I have never heard of this happening before.

Doesn't matter who its backed up by, if Bromsgrove have only the fourth highest travelling distance then there is no merit in any argument. The numbers 1,2,& 3 in that table would have more chance of a successful outcome.
Sounds like MLOC are using the situation to score some points v the RFU.   
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Originally posted by Fudgepacker Fudgepacker wrote:

Originally posted by Athman Athman wrote:

And I think Dobber's analysis has shown why the Midlands/Bromsgrove appeal will fail as they would have only the fourth highest travelling distance in the South West division and cannot therefore claim that it is disproportionate or unusual!

Athman, that is certainly true but I am told that Bromsgrove's appeal against being level transferred to the SW is being backed fully by the Midlands League Organising Committee which is tasked with enforcing the transfer rules on behalf of the RFU. Surely, this is unprecedented and we are in a whole new ball game? I have never heard of this happening before.

If they succeed, then the only other option would be to put Guildford from LSE in SW, which would mean that Kettering would be forced into LSE along with willing Bedford. Which will probably lead to more appeals from Mr Sinckler and co and Kettering arguing why they should be sacrificed over Bromsgrove?
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Originally posted by Friendly prop Friendly prop wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

The problem may not be counties but the old Divisional boundaries.

With the width of South England being several times that of North England a possible solution might be to have 5 regions

South West and West
South Central and West London
South East and East London
Midlands
North

Boundaries, particularly in the South would need to be a bit fluid dependant on the clubs involved.

Pyramid structures beneath all 5 regions

Promotion to N2 - North and Midlands as currently
The 3 Southern regions winner only to be promoted


Without being critical or having a better idea but what happens if 2 teams of the same regions or god forbid 3 are in the relegation zone aren't you still going to have the same problem? Ouch


I quite agree, it is possible, that is why I deliberately didn't try to set rigid borders - it's time to get away from that way of thinking.

Clubs would belong to the south rather than any individual division.

This eliminates any problems with clubs not wanting to be transferred as the make-up of the leagues would be

The 14 most westerly clubs
The 14 most easterly clubs
The other 14

Potentially one year a club might be in the west the next the central, a second club might be in central then east the next.

All dependent on the locations of the 42 clubs at the level.

Of course, this will never happen as the Blazers won't permit it - they would lose influence and reason for existing.
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Raider999 - I like the idea but if you are proposing three southern leagues where do the other 14 clubs come from? The area that is defined whatever that may be? That would mean 14 unwarranted promotions from Level 6 or will the southernmost Midlands Level 5 clubs be sucked into the equation - in other words "Level Transfers"!! and back to Square 1?
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Raider999 - I like the idea but if you are proposing three southern leagues where do the other 14 clubs come from? The area that is defined whatever that may be? That would mean 14 unwarranted promotions from Level 6 or will the southernmost Midlands Level 5 clubs be sucked into the equation - in other words "Level Transfers"!! and back to Square 1?


Obviously to maintain 14 team leagues, clubs from the level below would be promoted.

I'm sure a number of ambitious clubs would jump at the chance, especially with the reduction in travelling at Level 5 that my suggestions would provide.

There could be some mis-matches at first, but I believe eventually the divisions would balance out.
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So the signings by Rochford of ex Southend people continues. Hot on the heals of Sam Arnott and Ashton Beavans-Royston comes the news that Chris Waring has been named head coach following his departure from Westcliff after his distinguished playing career at Southend.
Just how many pages are there in their cheque book?
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

....the only other option would be to put Guildford from LSE in SW...
Camborne to Bromsgrove... 242 miles 
Camborne to Guildford... 250 miles (280 miles if you use the M4 rather than A303 which can be a PITA). you've got to feel for the players and coach driver for Camborne 
If the RFU declared Cornwall and Devon as independent countries and excluded them from the competition it would be easier. ...or anything further than 5 degrees west. Having  them inconveniently located down by Land's End kind of screws the mileage up for SW....   Could be worse Cornish Pirates play at Penzance which is another 15 miles further west..... Smile  
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Originally posted by Dobber Dobber wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

....the only other option would be to put Guildford from LSE in SW...
Camborne to Bromsgrove... 242 miles 
Camborne to Guildford... 250 miles (280 miles if you use the M4 rather than A303 which can be a PITA). you've got to feel for the players and coach driver for Camborne 
If the RFU declared Cornwall and Devon as independent countries and excluded them from the competition it would be easier. ...or anything further than 5 degrees west. Having  them inconveniently located down by Land's End kind of screws the mileage up for SW....   Could be worse Cornish Pirates play at Penzance which is another 15 miles further west..... Smile  

That would be the only reasonable conclusion that they could come to if the Midlands RFU won't play according to the rules. It would be a small compromise but it would still screw over Kettering or Broadstreet. 

There just doesn't seem to be any solutions under the current league system that would satisfy everyone. I know Towcestrians loudly and vocally complained when they got forced into LSE but no-one seemed to care. Now it seems Midlands are actually trying to support their clubs to try and block them going into the (almost) death sentence of the competitive LSE.
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The alternative to level transfer is to vary the numbers relegated in each league acording to the numbers coming  down from a higher league - and that used to be the case and led to problems which was why level transfer was introduced.
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Just out of curiosity I've done a Google Map of all Level 5 clubs North, Midlands, London & SE, South & SW.

Tis here :  Level 5 Map





Edited by Griffin - 30 May 2019 at 12:09
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Originally posted by Griffin Griffin wrote:

Just out of curiosity I've done a Google Map of all Level 5 clubs North, Midlands, London & SE, South & SW.

Tis here:-

It's not going to help the SW teams in terms of mileage, but Guernsey does seem to be 'out of area' when viewed on the map like that

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2019 at 00:00
Channel Islands are linked to Hampshire. 
Hampshire is part of L&SE as it is served by Waterloo.
Berkshire is part BBO and hence of SW is served by Padington, with decent links to Bristol and beyond.
Looking at L&SE I am amazed their are only three clubs from the North and none from Eastern Counties.

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Just looking at that map and without bothering to work out any mileage, surely there must be a case for Macclesfield transferring to the Midlands instead of Doncaster?
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Any news on this being resolved yet?
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