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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stalwart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 hours 13 minutes ago at 09:41
Truth is that both Pirates and Ealing couldn't function without a massive financial input from their benefactors. That's the reality of The Championship at the moment. The plan is for The Pirates to become financially sustainable without that in the future, at the new stadium, basing it on the way Chiefs have managed things in Exeter. Good luck to Ealing. They seem to have the most realistic chance of upsetting Newcastle in the coming season. In my opinion the main difference between Pirates and Ealing is that here in Cornwall there is no competition - we are the only pro club and Truro City football are a long way off league status and don't have a massive following. At present a lot of people travel to Plymouth for football and Exeter for rugby, so we'd hope to attract at least some of them to the new stadium as we try to build a Premiership ready squad. 
 As others have mentioned, Ealing have a lot of competition from other rugby clubs and football teams, so they have a more difficult job to attract large numbers of supporters. I'd love to see Ealing break into the Premiership cartel, as long as it's kept open to give the rest of us a chance in years to come.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 hours 4 minutes ago at 10:50
I honestly believe that the move to Truro is going to be the best thing for the Pirates, and I totally agree with Stalwart in the fact that there is no competition down there for Pro Sport so they should start to get decent crowds (more money) Rugby Union is a popular sport in the South West, so I think the crowds will come. With that follows advertising (more money) and potentially the opportunity to break into the Premiership (more money) - the Exeter model. Good luck Pirates hope to see you, playing us, in the Prem one day although your chances are, in my opinion, more likely than ours in the next 5 to 10 years.


Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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A lot of good points being made and I admire the positive views expressed by those supporting this scheme BUT do the figures add up ?

It appears obvious to me that Exeter rely on support from Devon , Somerset and Cornwall and by all accounts have a sustainable model based on decent crowds, clever player recruitment/retention and sensible sponsorship. Pirates will be reliant upon support from Cornwall and you only have to look at Bristol to see how difficult building a squad can be even with a very committed sponsor and excellent gates.

Realistically Pirates need to look at Sale and Newcastle who have survived in recent seasons on modest crowds and effective player recruitment/retention. It was a shame to see Newcastle go down but TBH it was arguably more difficult for Dean R to attract players to the NE than for Steve D to get them to come to Manchester.

A multi use stadium with associated leisure/hospitality facilities makes sense but has to be exploited ruthlessly to remain viable. The cost of a reasonably competitive Prem squad is huge and needs to be carefully considered.

I have no doubt all will be revealed in due course but constructing both the facilities and the squad will take at least 5 years IMHO and even then there is no guarantee of Prem rugby.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stalwart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 hours 33 minutes ago at 11:21
Agree with a lot of the points made by castleparknight (thanks for the support) and Bigmal. I think you my be underestimating the passion for rugby in Cornwall, Bigmal. A prem team would attract massive crowds, especially for the derbies against the likes of Exeter, Glos and Bris. We also get a lot of away supporters who love to come to Cornwall for a long weekend, or even a week, to take in the rugby. We still get supporters from Saints and Quins turning up at Pirates!
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Quote :Stalwart:

In my opinion the main difference between Pirates and Ealing is that here in Cornwall there is no competition - we are the only pro club and Truro City football are a long way off league status and don't have a massive following. At present a lot of people travel to Plymouth for football and Exeter for rugby, so we'd hope to attract at least some of them to the new stadium as we try to build a Premiership ready squad. 

There are obviously many differences and similarities between the two clubs. They both have very wealthy benefactors who love Rugby .

The main difference in my opinion is that Ealing Trailfinders `owner` already owns the sports ground and runs a very successful income generating business from the site. Mike Gooley has transformed the site over twenty years.

He has already has a team / squad that are very close to being competitive at a higher level. Unfortunately I believe for all aspiring Rugby clubs the drawbridge is about to be raised and kept closed for ever more. 

In Ealings folklore history it said that they were invited to a meeting in a pub where the RFU was originally formed . It is said that the Ealing representative went to the wrong pub ! 

Ealing Trailfinders and others may have to look elsewhere for competitive Rugby outside of the RFU CVC , Premiership Rugby.

Premiership Rugby is owned by wealthy businessmen `benefactors`

FROM TRP

BRISTOL BEARS owner Steve Lansdown has retained his place as the richest owner in the Premiership.

Lansdown and his wife, Catherine, own the Bears via their company, Pula Sport Limited. He is the 83rd richest person in the country with £1.72bn.

That makes him worth five times more than Saracens’ boss Nigel Wray, right.

Finance king Lansdowne is clearly the wealthiest owner of a rugby club in this country.

Wray who made his £315m fortune through property and food is the majority shareholder in Sarries’ owners Premier Team Holdings.

Bath’s Bruce Craig, with £289m comes in third and is 448th in the latest UK rich list.

Sale Sharks’ Simon Orange is believed to be worth £25m, Gloucester’s Martin St Quinton £20.2m, Harlequins Duncan Saville £20m and Wasps Derek Richardson £67m.

Interestingly Premiership runners-up Exeter, the only club to operate at a profit, are owned by their 700 members with four shareholders acting as trustees.

And it is the same for East Midland rivals Leicester Tigers and Northampton Saints with nobody having an overall controlling shareholding.


Ironically Dicky Evans the Cornish Pirates wealthy benefactor is wealthier than all of the above if you believe what is on the internet !. Mike Gooley is a mere 80 Million or so but they both could literally buy a premiership club ( Leicester Tigers comes to mind ).

Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 9 hours 43 minutes ago at 23:11
No 7 -indeed it is alleged that Ealing and Wasps were invited to the inaugural meeting to found the RFU at the Pall Mall restaurant 9-10 Haymarket London on 26th January 1871 but both went to wrong locations and on the wrong date.
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All interesting stuff and Exeter emerge as the "go to" role model. Is it just that the other teams pay so much more to the players?

Support from.financial backers is a dangerous road especislly without significant tv revenue.

Ill be watching Pirates activities with intetest BUT would point out that you are talking a 6-7 hour riund trip evennfrom Bristol and the train tends to be pricey.
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