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Topic: RFU confirm plans for NCA Cup competition
Posted By: Bill Sley
Subject: RFU confirm plans for NCA Cup competition
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2020 at 05:34
RFU confirm plans for NCA Cup competition
Nov 13th, 2020
https://www.ncarugby.com/announcements/rfu-confirm-plans-for-nca-cup-competition/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncarugby.com/announcements/rfu-confirm-plans-for-nca-cup-competition/

Given that there will be no league rugby this season, the Rugby Football Union have put into place a cup competition for NCA clubs to give our teams a competitive environment when we are able to resume playing contact rugby.

This will have no impact on clubs’ league status. Taking part will be completely voluntary. However, clubs who opt to participate will be expected to honour their fixtures.

The competition will include both National One and National Two clubs and it will be in two phases.

Phase 1: This will consist of regional based leagues of around six clubs who will play home and away.
The groupings and fixtures will be announced once we know which clubs will be taking part with the main objective to minimise travelling.
The competition start date will also be determined when we are given the go ahead by government to restart competitive rugby which hopefully could be in January.

Phase 2 – Based on the positions in the leagues, clubs will be split into cup, plate and bowl and those matches will be played on a knockout basis to determine the three winners. We have had the offer of hosting the finals at Twickenham.
If the restart is conditional on there being modifications to the laws of the game, the competition will be played under these modifications. If these are relaxed once the competition starts, we will play under the relaxed conditions.

It will be necessary to make some changes to the game regulations and these will be announced later.

NCA Chairman John Inverdale commented: “We’ve been talking about this for a long time.  I’m delighted we’re now able to blow the whistle and I hope as many clubs will enter as possible.”

All clubs will be sent an email from the NCA which will contain all the information regarding participation and you have until 30th November to register your interest.

Any questions or enquires, please email ncasecretary@outlook.com or get in touch with us on Twitter @nca_rugby.



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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2020 at 09:27
Inverdale should be congratulated, he seems to be driving this, great for the clubs if it can go ahead.


Posted By: hills17
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2020 at 09:53
Agreed tigerburnie, he’s doing well


Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2020 at 10:02
Finally something to look forward to. 


Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2020 at 13:39
Wahey....

No, cynicism aside, hopefully this means I'll be able to wander down to Hinckley to catch a game at some point.
Better than nowt.


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Posted By: Bill Sley
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2020 at 18:19
I think it might not be quite as easy as it appears.........

Payments 
If the whole club is amateur then "jobs a good 'un".....but a Nat 1 I suspect there are a number of clubs relying on furlough for those that are on contract. If you play - you need to take them off furlough? 

Crowds 
I guess that if amateur/voluntary, then it might be like a "behind closed doors friendly" with only a bit of gas/leccy to pay for? 
If there are players that need payment - then a gate/bar needs to be taken to pay for it 

Regulations 
It seems like there might well be no scrums/mauls...........what happens to the 'muscle' up front? You'd be tempted to pick the fast lads so what would happen to the tight 5? 

Of course, if we're allowed into the ground - it's almost like "who cares.....we can see something"? 

There's a part of me that wants anything to watch - the other is, should we just call it a day until the 2021/22 pre-season as far as National Leagues are concerned. 




Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2020 at 18:57
Some good points.

As things are at present, I would think we are a fair way off any competitive games - even rugby-lite.

As for crowds - even further off IMO.

How quick the vaccinations can reach the majority is really the key.

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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 08:04
The RFU have confirmed that the NCA Cup is not considered elite rugby so, like soccer, crowds will be allowed up to one third of normal Ground capacity. Of course, that is subject to any restrictions from the Tier system in a particular area. I’m putting more faith in that than a vaccine which will take months to reach me.


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 10:30
Question as you are in the know Halliford:

Lets say this player is "clean" on Friday : 

What tests are going to be done pre game on both sides to make sure they are all clean on the day and the next and more inportant point is, what if somebody catches this virus from a game on Sat?

Cannot work because of it for 14 days, you then add in the other 30+ players and officials to that via track and trace . Or the virus gets worse and the player dies from it. How does the RFU or NCA insurance stack up or what is in place to protect the player.

Please don't think Im putting water on the fire, I'm not, John I has done a great job in getting this to the table and yes we do all want get back to playing, yes we all want a beer on a Saturday afternoon whilst watching the game we love, but the risk reward is far too great!

Does every player sign a disclaimer before they play, can see a few wives and girlfriends having a say on that, especially players that have families!





Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 16:21
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The RFU have confirmed that the NCA Cup is not considered elite rugby so, like soccer, crowds will be allowed up to one third of normal Ground capacity. Of course, that is subject to any restrictions from the Tier system in a particular area. I’m putting more faith in that than a vaccine which will take months to reach me.

I just hope they get something good like this for those of us at National 3 too.

As for capacity, unless you're Guernsey or have a proper stadium, you can easily just point to the old Courage Clubs Directory from 1990 to point out what the capacity is and get more in. :)


Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 16:56
I think ground capacity would have changed since 1990,with clubs moving and or new stands built like mine. 

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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 17:26
Originally posted by kingsheathlad kingsheathlad wrote:

I think ground capacity would have changed since 1990,with clubs moving and or new stands built like mine. 

Ah, but if you haven't then who's to say what has changed? Wink Unless there's a formal declaration of capacity, the older bigger one can stay unless they can prove otherwise.


Posted By: clieves
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 17:34
Do you not need a safety certificate from your council with a formal capacity ?


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 17:53
Originally posted by clieves clieves wrote:

Do you not need a safety certificate from your council with a formal capacity ?


Probably, however I think the point is unless you have an all seater stadium (loads of them at this level) you could stand 1 deep around the pitch or 10 deep.

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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 19:05
Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Question as you are in the know Halliford:

Lets say this player is "clean" on Friday : 

What tests are going to be done pre game on both sides to make sure they are all clean on the day and the next and more inportant point is, what if somebody catches this virus from a game on Sat?

Cannot work because of it for 14 days, you then add in the other 30+ players and officials to that via track and trace . Or the virus gets worse and the player dies from it. How does the RFU or NCA insurance stack up or what is in place to protect the player.

Please don't think Im putting water on the fire, I'm not, John I has done a great job in getting this to the table and yes we do all want get back to playing, yes we all want a beer on a Saturday afternoon whilst watching the game we love, but the risk reward is far too great!

Does every player sign a disclaimer before they play, can see a few wives and girlfriends having a say on that, especially players that have families!



Because we are not the Elite game there will be no full-scale testing. Players will have to self-certify, as they did when we were training before this lockdown. In this way we are no different from the Allianz League which is already playing. As I understand it, provided all matches are played under the agreed RFU protocol then they are covered by the RFU insurance.

It’s obviously a risk and some Clubs may choose not to take the risk and so won’t enter the Cup. Many others will and will carefully assess the risk. So far we have had two positive tests in the 1st XV squad, one a teacher, and have not had to apply self-isolation because there was no close contact under the RFU flowchart. Inevitably there will be close contact in matches so that may result in some self-isolation requirements. Clubs and players have to make judgement calls and follow the rules.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 19:07
I'm very impressed that Kingsheathlad has his own stand😂😂😂


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 19:09
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The RFU have confirmed that the NCA Cup is not considered elite rugby so, like soccer, crowds will be allowed up to one third of normal Ground capacity. Of course, that is subject to any restrictions from the Tier system in a particular area. I’m putting more faith in that than a vaccine which will take months to reach me.

I just hope they get something good like this for those of us at National 3 too.

As for capacity, unless you're Guernsey or have a proper stadium, you can easily just point to the old Courage Clubs Directory from 1990 to point out what the capacity is and get more in. :)

London & South East DOC are working on competitions for Level 5 down, as well as 2nd XVs. As to ground capacity, most Clubs at Levels 3-5 have had Local Authority assessments so have a known number. Ours is 1800 so we will be able to have up to 600, more than our average over the last two seasons!


Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 19:36
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

I'm very impressed that Kinsheathlad has his own stand😂😂😂

Sssh, don't tell everyone. LOL


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Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 08:10
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The RFU have confirmed that the NCA Cup is not considered elite rugby so, like soccer, crowds will be allowed up to one third of normal Ground capacity. Of course, that is subject to any restrictions from the Tier system in a particular area. I’m putting more faith in that than a vaccine which will take months to reach me.

I just hope they get something good like this for those of us at National 3 too.

As for capacity, unless you're Guernsey or have a proper stadium, you can easily just point to the old Courage Clubs Directory from 1990 to point out what the capacity is and get more in. :)

Robb: There is no such league as National 3 and its not under the NCA

Kent have all the details and have pulled together two groups of 6 sides from Prem s/e and London1 from what I understand.With the top 4 going into a semi then final.


Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 08:17
Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Robb: There is no such league as National 3

An early entrant for Pedant of the Week Wink


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 09:23
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Robb: There is no such league as National 3

An early entrant for Pedant of the Week Wink

Not at all! I was just pointing out why the NCA had not included that level. 



Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 09:42
Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The RFU have confirmed that the NCA Cup is not considered elite rugby so, like soccer, crowds will be allowed up to one third of normal Ground capacity. Of course, that is subject to any restrictions from the Tier system in a particular area. I’m putting more faith in that than a vaccine which will take months to reach me.

I just hope they get something good like this for those of us at National 3 too.

As for capacity, unless you're Guernsey or have a proper stadium, you can easily just point to the old Courage Clubs Directory from 1990 to point out what the capacity is and get more in. :)

Robb: There is no such league as National 3 and its not under the NCA

Kent have all the details and have pulled together two groups of 6 sides from Prem s/e and London1 from what I understand.With the top 4 going into a semi then final.

Yes there is, it's just been given the banal rebrand of "Region Premier League". It's still National 3 to me.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 09:56
The "National" tag seems to attract more kudos from sponsors and the like  for obvious reasons but how can a league be classed as national when it's split into 4 regions?
The contradiction here, of course, is that Nat2 is also regionalised so let's not get too carried away with our own importance. If Robb wants to call his league Nat3 (South East) that's fine by me


Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 11:23
A club could be termed national because it has players from all over the nation, or even international if you like.
Anyway when do we know who has agreed to play in this cup competition and when will the groups be announced?


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 12:50
The NCA Clubs have to reply by 30th November saying whether they wish to enter or not. I believe (but don't know) that it's the same date for Clubs at Level 5 and below.


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 14:52
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:


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Yes there is, it's just been given the banal rebrand of "Region Premier League". It's still National 3 to me.

Quite right. My team play in the banally named "National League One" but it's "The Only League Worth Bothering About" to me. 


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 15:43
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The NCA Clubs have to reply by 30th November saying whether they wish to enter or not. I believe (but don't know) that it's the same date for Clubs at Level 5 and below.

Any truth to the rumour that Cornwall are going it alone?


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Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2020 at 07:54
Correct: It was in the Cornish press yesterday. 


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2020 at 08:31
I suspect Redruth would rather play Camborne and St Ives than Plymouth and Cinderford. Geography rules OK?


Posted By: Dad
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2020 at 18:24
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The NCA Clubs have to reply by 30th November saying whether they wish to enter or not. I believe (but don't know) that it's the same date for Clubs at Level 5 and below.

Def same in SW

https://swrugby.co.uk/latest-news


Clubs can opt-in or out of their proposed clusters by filling in the following short survey  https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/RFUCluster" rel="nofollow - here Please be aware that clubs with multiple teams in the pyramid will need to fill out a response for each team.

Based on the attached initial detail, clubs are requested to confirm their ‘opt-in’ by 30th November to enable Organising Committees time to finalise the clusters and develop fixture lists.




Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 10:08
The proposal to start a NCA cup competition is a good way of getting back to playing, however the timing would appear to be a little optimistic with the start date the 14th January. All clubs are currently at A in the road map and no chance of starting training until First week in December at the earliest , with certain areas having to stay in the highest tier of Lockdown further into December, Which would leave a maximum of 4 weeks including Xmas and New Year. Do doubt the government will re impose a further lock down after Xmas to prevent another wave until the vaccine is rolled out. Traveling even short distances will be a problem getting players and staff into a coach to travel will risk infection. Are we going to be allowed to use the changing rooms and Bars? This all needs to be sorted had this been in the summer not in mid winter it would not be such a problem for players and spectators who would happily stand outside with an open air bar. The vaccinations will come later on in the spring except for the over 65 , health workers and the vulnerable so at least most of the clubs officials will be ok. 
I am not trying to be obstructive but all these issues need to be addressed by the NCA and clubs to ensure the games can go ahead.


Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 10:09
The proposal to start a NCA cup competition is a good way of getting back to playing, however the timing would appear to be a little optimistic with the start date the 14th January. All clubs are currently at A in the road map and no chance of starting training until First week in December at the earliest , with certain areas having to stay in the highest tier of Lockdown further into December, Which would leave a maximum of 4 weeks including Xmas and New Year. No doubt the government will re impose a further lock down after Xmas to prevent another wave until the vaccine is rolled out. Traveling even short distances will be a problem getting players and staff into a coach to travel will risk infection. Are we going to be allowed to use the changing rooms and Bars? This all needs to be sorted had this been in the summer not in mid winter it would not be such a problem for players and spectators who would happily stand outside with an open air bar. The vaccinations will come later on in the spring except for the over 65 , health workers and the vulnerable so at least most of the clubs officials will be ok. 
I am not trying to be obstructive but all these issues need to be addressed by the NCA and clubs to ensure the games can go ahead.


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 11:48
And they are, on a regular basis.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 17:37
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">The proposal to start a NCA cup competition is a good way of getting back to playing, however the timing would appear to be a little optimistic with the start date the 14th January. All clubs are currently at A in the road map and no chance of starting training until First week in December at the earliest , with certain areas having to stay in the highest tier of Lockdown further into December, Which would leave a maximum of 4 weeks including Xmas and New Year. No doubt the government will re impose a further lock down after Xmas to prevent another wave until the vaccine is rolled out. Traveling even short distances will be a problem getting players and staff into a coach to travel will risk infection. Are we going to be allowed to use the changing rooms and Bars? This all needs to be sorted had this been in the summer not in mid winter it would not be such a problem for players and spectators who would happily stand outside with an open air bar. The vaccinations will come later on in the spring except for the over 65 , health workers and the vulnerable so at least most of the clubs officials will be ok. </span><div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">I am not trying to be obstructive but all these issues need to be addressed by the NCA and clubs to ensure the games can go ahead.


Not sure there is much point in the NCA Cup unless spectators are allowed and bars, club lunches are permitted. Otherwise it will be all outlay and no income for a few weeks of Rugby Lite.

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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 19:03
Raider I would suggest the positives of giving the players an organised structured run of fixtures against local opposition after having had little to look forward to on Saturdays far outweighs mothballing the entire rest of the season. WB points out some very real challenges but I have found most rugby clubs and rugby folk adopt a very positive/can do attitude when tough times appear and I am certain this will continue to be the case going forward.


Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2020 at 12:38
Outdoor sport to retuirn?

A ban on outdoor grassroots sport is set to be lifted in England when the national lockdown ends.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson will make a statement to the House of Commons on Monday unveiling plans for Covid-19 restrictions from 2 December, which MPs will vote on later in the week.

While parts of the tier system  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55029401" rel="nofollow - will be toughened,  it is expected that outdoor grassroots sport will be allowed across all tiers.


Lisa Wainwright, chief executive of the Sport and Recreation Alliance, said it was "critical that a proportion of this money goes to the lifeblood of each sport at the community level".

She added: "It remains crucial that community sport and recreation is opened up as soon as possible to enhance the physical and mental health of the nation as we move out of the debilitating effects of lockdown.

"While this release of funding is a very welcome development, we should remember that many sports are not covered by this package and they remain in a perilous situation with clubs and community centres struggling to survive the latest restrictions.

"To this extent, community sport and leisure still stands on a precipice."



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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2020 at 15:27
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/55010011" rel="nofollow - Fans at sporting events: Maximum of 4,000 set to be allowed in England - BBC Sport


Posted By: 'Hopper
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2020 at 17:48
Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/55010011" rel="nofollow - Fans at sporting events: Maximum of 4,000 set to be allowed in England - BBC Sport

In the lowest risk areas, a maximum of 50% occupancy of a stadium, or 4,000 fans - whichever is smaller - will be allowed to return. In tier two, that drops to 2,000 fans or 50% capacity, whichever is smaller.

In tier three, fans will continue to be barred from grounds.




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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 13:06
You mean one man and his dog cannot wander onto a local park whilst a game of rugger is going on.............


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 13:39
Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

You mean one man and his dog cannot wander onto a local park whilst a game of rugger is going on.............

If ground is on a said park or public recreation ground and the gate is accidentally left open and no monies being taken for entry, who is to say?


Posted By: billesleyexile1
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 14:20
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

You mean one man and his dog cannot wander onto a local park whilst a game of rugger is going on.............

If ground is on a said park or public recreation ground and the gate is accidentally left open and no monies being taken for entry, who is to say?

can always charge for the programme....


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 16:55
Keep posting, Billesleyexile1, only another 500 to get back to your old level!


Posted By: billesleyexile1
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 17:10
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Keep posting, Billesleyexile1, only another 500 to get back to your old level!

I've genuinely got no idea what happened - went to log in the other week and it didn't recognise my username, posting name, email address, anything. None of them have changed... it was the fact it didn't recognise the username that totally threw me! You can't even contact an admin from that position.

Been posting one here since 2011 or whenever it was and just shut out... trying not to take it personally!


Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 18:18
Originally posted by billesleyexile1 billesleyexile1 wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Keep posting, Billesleyexile1, only another 500 to get back to your old level!

I've genuinely got no idea what happened - went to log in the other week and it didn't recognise my username, posting name, email address, anything. None of them have changed... it was the fact it didn't recognise the username that totally threw me! You can't even contact an admin from that position.

Been posting one here since 2011 or whenever it was and just shut out... trying not to take it personally!

and with one bound, he was free!

you ever so slightly undershot how many posts I'd need to make by a factor of 2 Halliford! LOL


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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 21:38
Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by billesleyexile1 billesleyexile1 wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Keep posting, Billesleyexile1, only another 500 to get back to your old level!

I've genuinely got no idea what happened - went to log in the other week and it didn't recognise my username, posting name, email address, anything. None of them have changed... it was the fact it didn't recognise the username that totally threw me! You can't even contact an admin from that position.

Been posting one here since 2011 or whenever it was and just shut out... trying not to take it personally!

and with one bound, he was free!

you ever so slightly undershot how many posts I'd need to make by a factor of 2 Halliford! LOL
Is this freedom or are you out on licence? Apologies for undershooting, I forgot that you’re trying to rival Trump for post numbers!LOL



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