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Topic: A glimmer and signs of club rugby coming back
Posted By: No 7
Subject: A glimmer and signs of club rugby coming back
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 09:12
Ealing Trailfinders U18`s back to training with a whole set of protocol 

Pre-season Training Guidelines

  • Players will be split into groups of five players plus one coach.
  • We may need to split the sessions (18’s only) and have one set of players for the first 50 minutes and another set for the second. 
  • As we will only be small numbers per group each player should not train for more than 40 – 45 minutes per session.
  • You must confirm in advance that you are coming training and to which session with myself each week. (18’s only)
  • When travelling to the club, please ensure that you follow Government Advice, come already changed and ready to go onto the pitch.
  • On arrival at the gate follow the road to the left; park your vehicle in the car park at the end of pitch 1. Our meeting point and access to the pitches will be from the car park. Leave any bags in your vehicle or at the edge of the car park next to the pitch. 
  • You will be directed to the area where you will be training. You will not be permitted to move out of that area.
  • Once you arrive please register with the coach/manager for track and trace purposes.
  • Parents are welcome to stay but must following social distancing at all times, and may not enter the pitch area but make use of the stands, and please do not wander around the grounds.
  • Clubhouse and changing rooms will be closed. Do not wander around the grounds. Ensure you maintain social distance at all times. 
  • On entering the pitch, gel sanitiser and wipes will be available. Please use it to wash your hands. Dispose of used wipes in the black rubbish bags.
  • Both 3G pitches have been disinfected. Do not bring any items onto the pitch other than your own, marked, water bottle. Do not share water/equipment with anybody else. Refill water bottles using tap next to pitch 2.  Ensure that you do not make contact with the tap and the neck of the bottle.
  • Toilets behind the Damian Bugeja Stand will be open and hand sanitiser available. 
  • No spitting at all.
  • If you cut yourself, please seek first aid immediately.  Be aware any blood on the pitch will take it out of action until it is disinfected.
  • Clubhouse and changing rooms will be closed. Do not wander around the grounds. Ensure you maintain social distance at all times. 
  • Avoid touching your face at all times.
  • When training is over, clean your hands with gel sanitiser and, as soon as possible, make your way to the exit.
  • Anybody failing to respect these rules will be asked to leave immediately and reported to the disciplinary officer at the club.
  • For clarification on any of the above, or for any Covid-related questions, members coaching or management team are available at any time.
  • If anyone is feeling unwell, please do not attend training under any circumstances.
We look forward to seeing you back at the club, and if you have any concerns or queries please do not hesitate to contact myself or if you are moving to the Men’s Section, contact 


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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.



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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2020 at 17:49
I have spoken with a few first team players and they all seemed bouyant considering the restrictive training regime.

They all seem to think that there will be rugby matches this side of Christmas ! . I hope that is correct.




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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2020 at 20:39
With cases rising, I can't see the Championship Clubs wanting to start a season, as without sponsors and crowds only Ealing and Saracens can operate!  Leagues without big TV deals will struggle.


Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 15:48
Restrictions on social distancing will be around for a very long time. Cramming into small grounds will not be allowed. 

Bedford have an advantage with their partnership and can possibly use the larger ground, Franklins Gardens and still keep the required social distancing. The ground has a 15.000 capacity
Will the Blues fans make the trip in enough numbers to make it pay after Northamptons costs or maybe it will be gifted to help the Blues through these next few seasons. 





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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.


Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 16:02
Ealing living in another world 


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 18:54
I heard originally the hope was to start this side of Christmas, but since the test crowd events have been postponed they do not see any rugby this side of Christmas.


Posted By: Taffy
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 19:53
Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Bedford have an advantage with their partnership and can possibly use the larger ground, Franklins Gardens and still keep the required social distancing. The ground has a 15.000 capacity
Will the Blues fans make the trip in enough numbers to make it pay after Northamptons costs or maybe it will be gifted to help the Blues through these next few seasons. 

I very much doubt it! The 2,500 Goldington Road faithfull wouldn't come close to cover the operating costs at Franklin's Gardens, let alone produce a profit for reduced numbers travelling 22 miles up A428. Far better to limit numbers at Goldington Road and keep Admission, Bar Takings, Hospitality etc.
 


Posted By: PlangentThrowback
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2020 at 09:28
My club has just been told we can have ten-a-side touch rugby within the club.

There are a number of old fat players who have suddenly discovered that they need to remain shielded. Or start shielding


Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2020 at 23:28
Huge outbreak of Covid at Hull FC in the Super League.



Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 09:58
Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Huge outbreak of Covid at Hull FC in the Super League.


Very worrying.


Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 11:24
Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Huge outbreak of Covid at Hull FC in the Super League.


Very worrying.
It may suggest they could have started up a tad early. Better a bit later if it leads to fewer problems imo.

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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 12:06
Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Huge outbreak of Covid at Hull FC in the Super League.


Very worrying.
It may suggest they could have started up a tad early. Better a bit later if it leads to fewer problems imo.

I posted the details re: Hull FC players testing positive on 'Clubhouse Chat'.

With regard to starting a 'tad early', this is a virus so, how would we know when is right? 
Qualified people tell us this virus could be with us for 30 years! At some point, we will have to live with this and manage the risk like we do with the usual Flu outbreaks. 
New Zealand are playing because they had no cases. After 102 days of being clear they now have 22 cases, all travellers in quarantine rather than players. On the back of this 'spike' Auckland is going into lock-down. Does that mean Rugby will cease again? 
Will Hull now go into lock-down? The players with the positive tests may live elsewhere. Will their home towns go into lock-down? The uncertainty and possibilities just grow and grow.


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All Knwoing All Seeing


Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 17:02
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Huge outbreak of Covid at Hull FC in the Super League.


Very worrying.
It may suggest they could have started up a tad early. Better a bit later if it leads to fewer problems imo.

I posted the details re: Hull FC players testing positive on 'Clubhouse Chat'.

With regard to starting a 'tad early', this is a virus so, how would we know when is right? 
Qualified people tell us this virus could be with us for 30 years! At some point, we will have to live with this and manage the risk like we do with the usual Flu outbreaks. 
New Zealand are playing because they had no cases. After 102 days of being clear they now have 22 cases, all travellers in quarantine rather than players. On the back of this 'spike' Auckland is going into lock-down. Does that mean Rugby will cease again? 
Will Hull now go into lock-down? The players with the positive tests may live elsewhere. Will their home towns go into lock-down? The uncertainty and possibilities just grow and grow.
Everyone is desperate to play & see rugby. The lesson from Hull may be when you think its all over wait and think again. People's lives may be affected by these decisions. 

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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 22:17
Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Huge outbreak of Covid at Hull FC in the Super League.


Very worrying.
It may suggest they could have started up a tad early. Better a bit later if it leads to fewer problems imo.

I posted the details re: Hull FC players testing positive on 'Clubhouse Chat'.

With regard to starting a 'tad early', this is a virus so, how would we know when is right? 
Qualified people tell us this virus could be with us for 30 years! At some point, we will have to live with this and manage the risk like we do with the usual Flu outbreaks. 
New Zealand are playing because they had no cases. After 102 days of being clear they now have 22 cases, all travellers in quarantine rather than players. On the back of this 'spike' Auckland is going into lock-down. Does that mean Rugby will cease again? 
Will Hull now go into lock-down? The players with the positive tests may live elsewhere. Will their home towns go into lock-down? The uncertainty and possibilities just grow and grow.
Everyone is desperate to play & see rugby. The lesson from Hull may be when you think its all over wait and think again. People's lives may be affected by these decisions. 
I dont think anyone thought it was all over. They simply took all of the prescribed precautions and thought it was safe to play. Which it was, barring one players visit to a hospital a few days before the match.
If we do want to have competitive sport again, we will at some point have to accept that this comes with some risk. The main issue with that is the media's compulsion to play the blame game, hence the delay and uncertainty.


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All Knwoing All Seeing


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 06:56
Can't see anything below the premiership before next Christmas nevermind this. Without a vaccine rugby union as we know it may be under threat.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 09:42
Well training has moved to stage C so they can play touch with up to 10 a side - but not organise inter club matches yet.

We are some way behind other sports.

Soccer has returned to competitive matches with competition in september.

Hockey has announced that full match play can resume and the top  leagues start on September 20th with lower divisions folling when clubs are ready.

I know the contact nature of rugby makes it different.
And I think that is making DCMS cautious.

If we are permitted crowds - I assume they will be required to wear masks when not actually drinking.


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Blood and Sand


Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 10:25
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

If we are permitted crowds - I assume they will be required to wear masks when not actually drinking.
All the more reason not to stop drinking Beer


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"What I need is a strong drink and a peer group"


Posted By: Taffy
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 10:53
Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Can't see anything below the premiership before next Christmas nevermind this. Without a vaccine rugby union as we know it may be under threat.

The NZ Investec Super Rugby game this weekend between the Blues and Crusaders is now in doubt due to the Covid 19 outbreak in Auckland


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 11:16
Well alcohol does kill the virus.
Actually even listerine has apparently been shown to reduce viral loads on saliva.
So when the other half asks about your late night whiskey


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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 11:31
Originally posted by Taffy Taffy wrote:

Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Can't see anything below the premiership before next Christmas nevermind this. Without a vaccine rugby union as we know it may be under threat.



The NZ Investec Super Rugby game this weekend between the Blues and Crusaders is now in doubt due to the Covid 19 outbreak in Auckland


I know they have put Auckland in lockdown, but I would have thought it would just be moved elsewhere.

Or maybe Crusaders should win 20-0 as per Premiership rules?

It is interesting the approach in NZ - no messing lockdown for 20 cases, if we did that here we would all still be in lockdown

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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 11:31
Originally posted by CJB1 CJB1 wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

If we are permitted crowds - I assume they will be required to wear masks when not actually drinking.
All the more reason not to stop drinking Beer


I'd rather wear a mask all game than drink poor beer.

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Posted By: knightandday
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 15:50
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Well alcohol does kill the virus.
Actually even listerine has apparently been shown to reduce viral loads on saliva.
So when the other half asks about your late night whiskey

Alcohol content needs to be around 60% to be effective. 

I recommend Cut Rum overproof spiced Or Admiral Vernon old J Tiki fire. Both around 75% and quite drinkable neat. 



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Winning isn't everything, it just makes the beer taste better


Posted By: maire23
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 23:35
Boris has announced that trials of spectators at sporting events are going to re-start. 


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 09:06
Originally posted by maire23 maire23 wrote:

Boris has announced that trials of spectators at sporting events are going to re-start. 

All you need to do is give supporters the right to sign an affidavit saying "I agree that I attend at my own risk and I accept the possibility  etc. etc." and let the people decide if they want to go to matches or not.   


Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 09:49
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by maire23 maire23 wrote:

Boris has announced that trials of spectators at sporting events are going to re-start. 

All you need to do is give supporters the right to sign an affidavit saying "I agree that I attend at my own risk and I accept the possibility  etc. etc." and let the people decide if they want to go to matches or not.   

That's a good idea, but social distancing etc would still need to be in place. It's a question of whether it's financially viable on the amount of people that could attend. At The Pirates the capacity is (I think) around 3,000. Usual crowd is 1200 to 1500. So it should be possible to spread them out. Bars, toilets and food outlets would be a challenge.


Posted By: Fly Half
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 10:08
So you sign an affidavit or disclaimer and then go and spread it at home or at work? Thats what got us to this situation in the first place.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 10:09
Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by maire23 maire23 wrote:

Boris has announced that trials of spectators at sporting events are going to re-start. 


All you need to do is give supporters the right to sign an affidavit saying "I agree that I attend at my own risk and I accept the possibility  etc. etc." and let the people decide if they want to go to matches or not.   


That's a good idea, but social distancing etc would still need to be in place. It's a question of whether it's financially viable on the amount of people that could attend. At The Pirates the capacity is (I think) around 3,000. Usual crowd is 1200 to 1500. So it should be possible to spread them out. Bars, toilets and food outlets would be a challenge.


It appears Premier Football are still aiming to have some crowds back by 1st October. They are expecting the limit to be 30% at that stage. Bearing in mind their stadiums are all-seater it is easier to enforce social distancing.

I suspect all spectators would need to have contactless forehead temperature checks befor entry

I like the idea of signing a waiver before being allowed to enter.

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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 11:28
Originally posted by Fly Half Fly Half wrote:

So you sign an affidavit or disclaimer and then go and spread it at home or at work? Thats what got us to this situation in the first place.
Spot on mate. I want to see rugby as much as anyone but it will be the old and vulnerable who pay the price if they get it wrong. I wonder how many died as a result of events like Cheltenham Races going ahead with crowds back in the spring.

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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.


Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 11:33
Spectating in the open is really not the problem, it is the bars that provide more of a risk.

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Run with it


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 12:29
I think we willl see a number of external bars with socialy distanced queues and more PMMA screens to protect the staff.


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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 14:48
Beer pumps turned towards the customer ! pour your own beer , foot pedal operated, bring your own glass .........never touched by a bar tender ......pay by card........no short measures ever again lol

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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 16:20
I am reminded of previous discussions about the facilities needed at Premiership level which included additional width between urinals. Now that seems incredibly perceptive!


Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 19:37
I’m not sure the outdoor gents at Ampthill would pass too many H&S inspections......Dead


Posted By: French Connection
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 19:50
An affadavit or waiver isn't worth the paper it's written on, because it's impossible to tell where someone contracted the virus. That's a major reason that it's been so hard to eradicate.


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2020 at 09:34
Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by maire23 maire23 wrote:

Boris has announced that trials of spectators at sporting events are going to re-start. 

All you need to do is give supporters the right to sign an affidavit saying "I agree that I attend at my own risk and I accept the possibility  etc. etc." and let the people decide if they want to go to matches or not.   

That's a good idea, but social distancing etc would still need to be in place. It's a question of whether it's financially viable on the amount of people that could attend. At The Pirates the capacity is (I think) around 3,000. Usual crowd is 1200 to 1500. So it should be possible to spread them out. Bars, toilets and food outlets would be a challenge.

Of course you'd put those T&Cs in the agreement. But for community rugby, it shouldn't be too much of an issue. But it should be a matter of personal responsibility rather than the government just blanket banning everything and potentially destroying a sport in the process. If people want to take the chance, let them. Or if needs be, just say that the day after they must agree to have a test or something.  


Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2020 at 08:02
Don't know if anyone else saw the interview with Harvey Biljon in TRP yesterday, but he stated that the Championship teams have ruled out returning to play until crowds are allowed. Not sure if that had been shared yet. Good interview overall.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2020 at 12:52
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Don't know if anyone else saw the interview with Harvey Biljon in TRP yesterday, but he stated that the Championship teams have ruled out returning to play until crowds are allowed. Not sure if that had been shared yet. Good interview overall.


Totally understand the reasoning behind that, but, that may mean writing off 20-21 season altogether?

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Posted By: Abbotsman
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2020 at 23:46
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Don't know if anyone else saw the interview with Harvey Biljon in TRP yesterday, but he stated that the Championship teams have ruled out returning to play until crowds are allowed. Not sure if that had been shared yet. Good interview overall.


Totally understand the reasoning behind that, but, that may mean writing off 20-21 season altogether?


The last thing you would want is to start a season with crowds only for the doors to be shut again by a further restriction later on. As for missing the season completely, things are so fluid at the moment it's possible it could end up that way.


Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 06:21
I have an interest in non league football.
The team I ally to have an online document for the Southern League, FA etc of the clubs CoVid plans. Even based on 500 attendance (they are one of the larger clubs in terms of support) which they occasionally get, they are working on stricter capacity. Issues highlighted, queues into ground, toilets, relocation of drinks and food. When supporters are not drinking, eating face coverings will likely be required. 
Wait for the how long a coffee lasts challenge. Similar at rugby, can sense the folks who are anti coverings, drinking pints very slowly.




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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 09:58
Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

I have an interest in non league football.
The team I ally to have an online document for the Southern League, FA etc of the clubs CoVid plans. Even based on 500 attendance (they are one of the larger clubs in terms of support) which they occasionally get, they are working on stricter capacity. Issues highlighted, queues into ground, toilets, relocation of drinks and food. When supporters are not drinking, eating face coverings will likely be required. 
Wait for the how long a coffee lasts challenge. Similar at rugby, can sense the folks who are anti coverings, drinking pints very slowly.




When 1 pint is finished you get another - no need to drink them slowly.😷😷

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 12:37
Apparently there is a campaign to let fans in to non league rugby - we need to lobby our MPS to get them to include rugby!

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Posted By: MikeGC
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 13:24
I have never been to any non-league football, so don't know how it compares.
But for example - if I think about level 5 football (is that the Conference ?) and level 5 rugby (where my club sits) I presume the main difference would be that a rugby clubhouse would (in normal times) be packed with folk (visitors; club members; former players and players) celebrating/commiserating. My perception is that football fans watch the game and leave at the final whistle.

It might be perceived as being easier to re-introduce fans to football


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 13:27
Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

I have never been to any non-league football, so don't know how it compares.
But for example - if I think about level 5 football (is that the Conference ?) and level 5 rugby (where my club sits) I presume the main difference would be that a rugby clubhouse would (in normal times) be packed with folk (visitors; club members; former players and players) celebrating/commiserating. My perception is that football fans watch the game and leave at the final whistle.

It might be perceived as being easier to re-introduce fans to football


I think you will find the average attendance of a lot of level 5 clubs is between 1000 and 2500 - not many level 5 rugby clubs would be in that range

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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 13:41
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

I have never been to any non-league football, so don't know how it compares.
But for example - if I think about level 5 football (is that the Conference ?) and level 5 rugby (where my club sits) I presume the main difference would be that a rugby clubhouse would (in normal times) be packed with folk (visitors; club members; former players and players) celebrating/commiserating. My perception is that football fans watch the game and leave at the final whistle.

It might be perceived as being easier to re-introduce fans to football


I think you will find the average attendance of a lot of level 5 clubs is between 1000 and 2500 - not many level 5 rugby clubs would be in that range

True.

In the glory days of level 5 football (ie the 1990s) Kidderminster Harriers, Stevenage, Woking, Rushden, would all have thought 2,500 was ok if you just had the home fans and the away supporters hadn't travelled. 3,000 was more common, pushing 3,500 for the bigger matches. It's fallen right off but somewhere around 2,000 feels about right as an average.

A lot (most?) grounds at level 5 in football are set up for fully segregated fans and could cope with 6,000 in them (which they get for the bigger FA cup runs). Regardless of who stays where for how long, I reckon that football grounds at level 5 are probably better st up to deal with all of this than (most?) of our level 2 grounds, never mind our level 5.


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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 15:25
I believe the football campaign is for leagues below the National League which is level 7 and lower starting with the Northern Premier, Southern and Isthmian Leagues.

Last season average attendances in the top divisions were between 287 and 1,671 (NPL), 123 and 892 (IL) and 103 and 982 (in the two joint top divisions of the SL).

I would think in terms of attendances this is fairly comparable with rugby's Championship and National Leagues.

Most of these clubs will have clubhouses with similar usage to rugby in my experience.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 15:32
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

I believe the football campaign is for leagues below the National League which is level 7 and lower starting with the Northern Premier, Southern and Isthmian Leagues.

Last season average attendances in the top divisions were between 287 and 1,671 (NPL), 123 and 892 (IL) and 103 and 982 (in the two joint top divisions of the SL).

I would think in terms of attendances this is fairly comparable with rugby's Championship and National Leagues.

Most of these clubs will have clubhouses with similar usage to rugby in my experience.


National League football is against starting without any crowds allowed

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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 17:59
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Apparently there is a campaign to let fans in to non league rugby - we need to lobby our MPS to get them to include rugby!

Hear hear. TO be honest, it's probably easier to social distance at Community Rugby rather than community football given most rugby grounds are more open and not hemmed in by stands dictating where people go.


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 18:32
Have I woke up in an alternate universe? Whats non-league rugby? and moreover why would you lobby your MP to include er...rugby?

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 18:38
Yes one of those words should be soccer.

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Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 18:43
Ah CQ, not like you to drop a pass :)

The longer things go on the more I'm convinced it will be 2021 before we get any rugby other than the Elite end of the game.


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 20:16
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53817206" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53817206

We know RFU treats us as country bumkins and amateurs so presumably we are recreational.


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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 21:13
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53817206" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53817206

We know RFU treats us as country bumkins and amateurs so presumably we are recreational.

I'd go with that. I'd probably go even further and the RFU probably say only the Premiership and Championship are "elite" as they are the "professional" leagues


Posted By: Blutarsky
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 12:55
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

I believe the football campaign is for leagues below the National League which is level 7 and lower starting with the Northern Premier, Southern and Isthmian Leagues.

Last season average attendances in the top divisions were between 287 and 1,671 (NPL), 123 and 892 (IL) and 103 and 982 (in the two joint top divisions of the SL).

I would think in terms of attendances this is fairly comparable with rugby's Championship and National Leagues.

Most of these clubs will have clubhouses with similar usage to rugby in my experience.

In Barnstaple (Nat 2) the rugby ground adjoins Barnstaple Town FC's ground (Southern League).

We average a gate somewhere around 800 for a run of the mill home game (higher for some derby matches such as Redruth, or other Devon clubs when we are at level 5). 
In the Southern League, Town get an average gate around 100, and I recall it being below 40 a season or two back when they were in the midst of a relegation campaign. 


Posted By: Bigmal
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 17:38
Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

I have never been to any non-league football, so don't know how it compares.
But for example - if I think about level 5 football (is that the Conference ?) and level 5 rugby (where my club sits) I presume the main difference would be that a rugby clubhouse would (in normal times) be packed with folk (visitors; club members; former players and players) celebrating/commiserating. My perception is that football fans watch the game and leave at the final whistle.

It might be perceived as being easier to re-introduce fans to football

Be careful what you wish for Mike,!



Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 09:19
Read this article elsewhere. 

https://www.thefa.com/news/2020/aug/19/updated-guidelines-for-return-of-spectators-190820" rel="nofollow - https://www.thefa.com/news/2020/aug/19/updated-guidelines-for-return-of-spectators-190820

Football at what they call level 7 or below could at the end of the month be allowed 30% attendance of leagues minimum ground capacity.
Whilst Rugby hasn’t outside Premiership had the 10.000 +. Attendances that you can even find at level 3 games, or the money splashing around for vast underused stadiums (Milton Keynes), ground grading including capacity has been an issue. Sadly it seems once a club leaves level 5 and actually is called a football league club, home and away fans are automatically segregated as the ogres turn up to bait each other.

But, the good thing is clubs now know that if the league expects grounds to have a capacity of 2,000 by September 30% attendance will be possible.

According to Wikipedia National 1 clubs Cambridge and Rams capacity’s were 1250, so if that was 30% formula applied to Rugby, we could be talking 475 maximum attendance at League one.
600 at Championship based on Hartpury having a 2,000 capacity listed on Wikipedia.

Still a way off, playing wise I believe before it’s deemed safer for clubs to play, but hopefully as we get closer to that point the RFU can take a leaf off the FA regards a safe attendance level.

In many ways the 30% for a support base like Bedford (the above 600 limit) would be a blow. Interesting that the next lowest capacity at Ampthill, 3,000 would allow 900 which might be acceptable even for the clubs with a larger support. 

Last year average attendance at Championship 1606
National 1 558

So 30% capacity’s would be more suitable as a whole to League 1.
Championship would want I think 50%

With averages of national 2 North 348 and South 311 could see less issues for many clubs.


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Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 09:22
Based the above on the FA guidelines.
The RFU probably not thinking this far, but just gives a glimpse of spectators life in a CoVid world.


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 09:30
I  have no idea where the numbers on wikipedia come from.
Not sure how the Apmthill banking has a capacitoy of 300.
I am sure inreality Bedford can cope with much larger numbers than Ampthill - and no disrespect to the Ampthill ground whichis a lovely spott to watch rugby in provided the rain is no horizontal.


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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 09:49
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I  have no idea where the numbers on wikipedia come from.
Not sure how the Apmthill banking has a capacitoy of 300.
I am sure inreality Bedford can cope with much larger numbers than Ampthill - and no disrespect to the Ampthill ground whichis a lovely spott to watch rugby in provided the rain is no horizontal.

I think there's a danger of confusing common sense with reality though, which might bite some teams and leave others unscathed. The grounds with limited infrastructure and lots of empty space may well be licensed for larger gatherings than the more developed ones (in normal times). Which, when you're left implementing a blanket percentage across the league might once again mean reward for those who are playing on a roped off pitch...




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Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 09:54
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I  have no idea where the numbers on wikipedia come from.
Not sure how the Apmthill banking has a capacitoy of 300.
I am sure inreality Bedford can cope with much larger numbers than Ampthill - and no disrespect to the Ampthill ground whichis a lovely spott to watch rugby in provided the rain is no horizontal.

The RFU either pluck a number from the air.
Advise individual clubs to limit capacity to a % per official capacity (believe some local authorities have a say on that one).
Or if they do have ground grading for leagues, including minimum capacity have a one size fits all figure.

In some respects, should some minimum criteria be expected? Thinking off subject to the proposed restructuring of National 2 with 3 leagues not two and possibly a dozen clubs being promoted, not suggesting white elephant 1,000 seater stand. But I assume if you have a 1,000 capacity you might need a couple of toilets, a coffee/tea place, although beer may not be a necessity the toilet may be after consumption Big smile


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Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 10:06
Just to clarify throwing these thoughts in the ring, because to be fair the destination we seek is our clubs playing again, and that players, spectators safety and welfare is not compromised.
Though the chaps at Twickenham see the Championship (if recent reports are to be believed) as the elite level of the recreational game, a lot of said clubs need guidance to what they will be expected to deliver. If, the conference idea, which in theory for some clubs reduces travel, might increase attendances in the future (thinking the longer term 16 club idea), then long term clarity for what is expected from clubs might need clarification.

Mind you it’s RFU, no doubt they will reprogramme the satnav.


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Posted By: sweatysock
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 13:10
isn't player safety and in particular players infecting one another the main stumbling block rather than spectators. At Worthing, for example, I am sure the spectators could socially distance to be safe but how could the players remain safe- they would need to be tested every week and doubt there is a budget for that


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 13:52
Originally posted by sweatysock sweatysock wrote:

isn't player safety and in particular players infecting one another the main stumbling block rather than spectators. At Worthing, for example, I am sure the spectators could socially distance to be safe but how could the players remain safe- they would need to be tested every week and doubt there is a budget for that

Or you just get them to do it for free through:  https://self-referral.test-for-coronavirus.service.gov.uk/antigen/name" rel="nofollow - https://self-referral.test-for-coronavirus.service.gov.uk/antigen/name   

And say they must provide a certification of a valid test for the week by the Thursday before in order to be considered to play.


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 14:44
Having experienced it first-hand, any Club playing in the Championship will have had its crowd capacity assessed by their Local Authority who are required to license the "venue". Esher's capacity is 3,000 with our existing stand and went up to 4,500 when we put in temporary stands for our match against Northampton. 

Lots of RFU knocking again, I would suggest that posters talk to their Club Secretaries about all the communications we have received this summer from the RFU, the consultations that have been and are still ongoing, the webinar series and the legal and technical advice including Covid Insurance. 

The problem may be that the Griffiths proposals, coming so late in the cycle have thrown an enormous spanner in the works. That, combined with the need to get clearance from the Government for each change of status makes the RFU's job exceedingly difficult, IMHO. I for one think they are doing a difficult job pretty well. I'll be in a minority here, but I'm used to it! 


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 15:11
Originally posted by Blutarsky Blutarsky wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

I believe the football campaign is for leagues below the National League which is level 7 and lower starting with the Northern Premier, Southern and Isthmian Leagues.

Last season average attendances in the top divisions were between 287 and 1,671 (NPL), 123 and 892 (IL) and 103 and 982 (in the two joint top divisions of the SL).

I would think in terms of attendances this is fairly comparable with rugby's Championship and National Leagues.

Most of these clubs will have clubhouses with similar usage to rugby in my experience.

In Barnstaple (Nat 2) the rugby ground adjoins Barnstaple Town FC's ground (Southern League).

We average a gate somewhere around 800 for a run of the mill home game (higher for some derby matches such as Redruth, or other Devon clubs when we are at level 5). 
In the Southern League, Town get an average gate around 100, and I recall it being below 40 a season or two back when they were in the midst of a relegation campaign. 

Barnstable Town averaged 155 last season.
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/southern-football-league-division-one-south/attendances/2019-2020" rel="nofollow - https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/southern-football-league-division-one-south/attendances/2019-2020

But the point is not who has the biggest average in a particular town but that almost all rugby clubs from the Championship down have attendances in the range of the non-league football clubs that are being allowed to have spectators.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 16:23
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Blutarsky Blutarsky wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

I believe the football campaign is for leagues below the National League which is level 7 and lower starting with the Northern Premier, Southern and Isthmian Leagues.

Last season average attendances in the top divisions were between 287 and 1,671 (NPL), 123 and 892 (IL) and 103 and 982 (in the two joint top divisions of the SL).

I would think in terms of attendances this is fairly comparable with rugby's Championship and National Leagues.

Most of these clubs will have clubhouses with similar usage to rugby in my experience.


In Barnstaple (Nat 2) the rugby ground adjoins Barnstaple Town FC's ground (Southern League).

We average a gate somewhere around 800 for a run of the mill home game (higher for some derby matches such as Redruth, or other Devon clubs when we are at level 5). 
In the Southern League, Town get an average gate around 100, and I recall it being below 40 a season or two back when they were in the midst of a relegation campaign. 


Barnstable Town averaged 155 last season.
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/southern-football-league-division-one-south/attendances/2019-2020" rel="nofollow - https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/southern-football-league-division-one-south/attendances/2019-2020

But the point is not who has the biggest average in a particular town but that almost all rugby clubs from the Championship down have attendances in the range of the non-league football clubs that are being allowed to have spectators.


Indeed, football clubs below level 7 are to be allowed crowds (the article I saw didn't mention limits - whereas 30% capacity was suggested for top flight games).

This was achieved after a number of MPs lobbied for it - no mention of rugby whatsoever.

Normal attendances at N1/N2 level are similar in comparison so there shouldn't be a problem

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 16:42

From DCMS web page

Spectators

Where it is anticipated that an activity will attract spectators, there should be a named person or persons with responsibility for ensuring adherence with these guidelines and ensuring the facility is COVID-19 Secure. The person should carry out and publish a risk assessment for the activity which limits the number of spectators and focuses on the need to maintain social distancing on arrival, for the duration of the activity, and on departure.

Arrangements should also be put in place to support test and trace efforts by collecting information from spectators which is detailed enough to allow NHS Test and Trace to contact them if necessary. See the https://www.gov.uk/guidance/maintaining-records-of-staff-customers-and-visitors-to-support-nhs-test-and-trace" rel="nofollow - maintaining records guidance for further information.



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Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 16:43
In Jersey, we are in a slightly unique position in that we have a natural buffer from the mainland and any infections are generally imported. Our testing/track & trace system seems to be working really well and although the number of cases has risen slightly to 16 since we opened our borders, all cases are known and steps are being taken to avoid further infections.
My point is, that I think we would be in a much better position to hold matches with supporters watching. The ground holds about 4,000 and our average gate was about 1,500/1,600 last season, so social distancing would not be too difficult.
The only downside, IMHO, is to make this possible we may need to ban travelling supporters for the time being. Really not a preferred choice, but an option nevertheless and one that would mean that we get to see Championship rugby and the club returns to generating revenue.


Posted By: JohnLowe
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 17:51
Brizzer - I will be very upset if I am denied my annual trip to Jersey - John 


Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 19:46
Sorry, forgot to add. If you have been over more than once you are considered as a local, so free to travel 😂😂


Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 11:02
I think some people are being over optimistic. It isn't just about spectators.  What if the season starts and a player gets infected? The squad will have to self isolate so what happens to the next league game(s)? Is it a walkover? Who gets the points and how many? There will be no league rugby this season.


Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 11:29
Originally posted by Moseley Mauler Moseley Mauler wrote:

I think some people are being over optimistic. It isn't just about spectators.  What if the season starts and a player gets infected? The squad will have to self isolate so what happens to the next league game(s)? Is it a walkover? Who gets the points and how many? There will be no league rugby this season.

Sure I read somewhere that the premiership restart rules say if a team can't fulfil a fixture because of isolating, then it's a 20-0 walkover to the opposition. 

Presumably at least part of that is designed to:
a) focus the minds of everyone to be careful and 
b) deal with the fact that they need to get 19/20 wrapped up to timetable so that they can start 20/21 - i.e. no room for rescheduling later.


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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 11:30
Originally posted by Moseley Mauler Moseley Mauler wrote:

There will be no league rugby this season.

Which will set new records for my season ticket - I only usually make it to about 5 home games anyway!


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Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 12:08
Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

[QUOTE=Moseley Mauler]

Sure I read somewhere that the premiership restart rules say if a team can't fulfil a fixture because of isolating, then it's a 20-0 walkover to the opposition. 



Yes, you are right, but that is Premiership rules for finishing last season


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 12:11
Any views  on Championship players and it seems "fringe" Premiership Playing County Rugby?

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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 12:45
Originally posted by Moseley Mauler Moseley Mauler wrote:

Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

[QUOTE=Moseley Mauler]

Sure I read somewhere that the premiership restart rules say if a team can't fulfil a fixture because of isolating, then it's a 20-0 walkover to the opposition. 



Yes, you are right, but that is Premiership rules for finishing last season

Unless things have changed this isn't correct. When this "story" broke it was that fixtures might result in a 20-0 default result if a team couldn't fulfill a fixture.


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 12:47
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

From DCMS web page

Spectators

Where it is anticipated that an activity will attract spectators, there should be a named person or persons with responsibility for ensuring adherence with these guidelines and ensuring the facility is COVID-19 Secure. The person should carry out and publish a risk assessment for the activity which limits the number of spectators and focuses on the need to maintain social distancing on arrival, for the duration of the activity, and on departure.

Arrangements should also be put in place to support test and trace efforts by collecting information from spectators which is detailed enough to allow NHS Test and Trace to contact them if necessary. See the https://www.gov.uk/guidance/maintaining-records-of-staff-customers-and-visitors-to-support-nhs-test-and-trace" rel="nofollow - maintaining records guidance for further information.


This is a bit worrying. Usually when I cut my grass I attract a number of spectators who want to engage me in conversation whilst they watch. Should I appoint my wife as my COVID-19 officer?


Posted By: Taffy
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 13:03
Originally posted by Moseley Mauler Moseley Mauler wrote:

I think some people are being over optimistic. It isn't just about spectators.  What if the season starts and a player gets infected? The squad will have to self isolate so what happens to the next league game(s)? Is it a walkover? Who gets the points and how many? There will be no league rugby this season.
Here in Wales, Jamie Roberts returned a positive test ahead of PRO14 return this weekend. He has been placed into isolation and will not play. If there are a number of positive tests among the Dragons squad, the match against Ospreys will not go ahead.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53828959" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53828959


Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 13:47
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

From DCMS web page

Spectators

Where it is anticipated that an activity will attract spectators, there should be a named person or persons with responsibility for ensuring adherence with these guidelines and ensuring the facility is COVID-19 Secure. The person should carry out and publish a risk assessment for the activity which limits the number of spectators and focuses on the need to maintain social distancing on arrival, for the duration of the activity, and on departure.

Arrangements should also be put in place to support test and trace efforts by collecting information from spectators which is detailed enough to allow NHS Test and Trace to contact them if necessary. See the https://www.gov.uk/guidance/maintaining-records-of-staff-customers-and-visitors-to-support-nhs-test-and-trace" rel="nofollow - maintaining records guidance for further information.


This is a bit worrying. Usually when I cut my grass I attract a number of spectators who want to engage me in conversation whilst they watch. Should I appoint my wife as my COVID-19 officer?

Hang about, let’s get important points sorted first. If your wife is COVID-19 Officer whose running the bar?


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Posted By: Guinness John
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 14:32
Just watching racing on tv. Jockeys aren't allowed to use saunas, so what about showers / baths in rugby?

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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 14:58
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Any views  on Championship players and it seems "fringe" Premiership Playing County Rugby?


I thought I read that the county rugby would not be happening?

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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 18:51
For what it is worth, Ben Ward, Ealing DoR said in the Ealing Trailfinder Times magazine that came out today that he expected Rugby in November or December.


Posted By: Abbotsman
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2020 at 09:33
Originally posted by Moseley Mauler Moseley Mauler wrote:

There will be no league rugby this season.

I wonder what Saracens think about that? 


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2020 at 12:13
All part of Ed Griffiths plan apparently

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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2020 at 12:41
This is all subject to prevention of a second wave, which is showing signs of getting bigger, now that holiday makers are coming back from the continent. There are still several areas in partial lock down and it is three weeks until schools go back and that will be the biggest threat to the spread of Covid. If it does not get too high then, yes December, otherwise we will be looking at waiting for the vaccine which will be in the new year.


Posted By: Sail By
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2020 at 13:51
Follow the stats and not the media.
Hospital admissions are falling to an all time low, the same as the tragic death rate.

Positive cases are rising as they are now sampling a much bigger proportion of a youthful population. 

We need to get back playing in November. 


Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2020 at 14:46
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Follow the stats and not the media.
Hospital admissions are falling to an all time low, the same as the tragic death rate.

Positive cases are rising as they are now sampling a much bigger proportion of a youthful population. 

We need to get back playing in November. 

However should an overweight 50 something avoid the crowds if it’s the young getting it now.

I can’t wait to know my club is playing, even if I have to stay safe a bit longer.


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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2020 at 14:57
It may be the young that our continuing to catch it but unfortunately , the problem is that clubs are managed and run by people much older, your gate man, your programme sellers, your officials and committee members. Clubhouses and bars are filled with these people after a game and are therefore at most risk. The young may catch it but it is the older generation who die.


Posted By: Sail By
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2020 at 17:24
I am also in the 50 odd and overweight bracket but I follow science. 

Since BLM and the really hot bank holiday our country restarted.
I have been to the Yorkshire Dales and the seaside and both were absolutely heaving with families, so my own feeling is that the government are secretly pushing the herd immunity.
With good social distancing, wearing of masks indoors and good hygiene the over 50s should not be worried about restarting life.

Would I go back and prop...no as that is far too hazardous at my age 😉


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2020 at 19:33
Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

From DCMS web page

Spectators

Where it is anticipated that an activity will attract spectators, there should be a named person or persons with responsibility for ensuring adherence with these guidelines and ensuring the facility is COVID-19 Secure. The person should carry out and publish a risk assessment for the activity which limits the number of spectators and focuses on the need to maintain social distancing on arrival, for the duration of the activity, and on departure.

Arrangements should also be put in place to support test and trace efforts by collecting information from spectators which is detailed enough to allow NHS Test and Trace to contact them if necessary. See the https://www.gov.uk/guidance/maintaining-records-of-staff-customers-and-visitors-to-support-nhs-test-and-trace" rel="nofollow - maintaining records guidance for further information.


This is a bit worrying. Usually when I cut my grass I attract a number of spectators who want to engage me in conversation whilst they watch. Should I appoint my wife as my COVID-19 officer?

Hang about, let’s get important points sorted first. If your wife is COVID-19 Officer whose running the bar?

Bug*er I hadn't thought of that!


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2020 at 17:51
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Follow the stats and not the media.
Hospital admissions are falling to an all time low, the same as the tragic death rate.

Positive cases are rising as they are now sampling a much bigger proportion of a youthful population. 

We need to get back playing in November. 

Hear hear. 


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2020 at 17:53
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Follow the stats and not the media.
Hospital admissions are falling to an all time low, the same as the tragic death rate.

Positive cases are rising as they are now sampling a much bigger proportion of a youthful population. 

We need to get back playing in November. 


It would be nice, however I think you are being over-optimistic.

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Posted By: Taffy
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 13:19
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Follow the stats and not the media.
Hospital admissions are falling to an all time low, the same as the tragic death rate.

Positive cases are rising as they are now sampling a much bigger proportion of a youthful population. 

We need to get back playing in November. 

A touch too much expectation, I very much doubt it. The evidence suggests the distancing advice protects others, especially the elderly and at risk, particularly if you are infected but have not developed any symptoms.


Posted By: Sail By
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 13:48
Has anyone been out to the local shops, beauty spots or the coast lately?

This virus is currently racing around the country and adding around 500 players and coaches to the mix is not going to tip it over the edge. Obviously social distancing would have to be adhered to in the crowd but we really need to look at the math.


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 13:57
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Has anyone been out to the local shops, beauty spots or the coast lately?

This virus is currently racing around the country and adding around 500 players and coaches to the mix is not going to tip it over the edge. Obviously social distancing would have to be adhered to in the crowd but we really need to look at the math.

Look at the maths by all means but please, please do not look at the math! 


Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 14:18
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Has anyone been out to the local shops, beauty spots or the coast lately?

This virus is currently racing around the country and adding around 500 players and coaches to the mix is not going to tip it over the edge. Obviously social distancing would have to be adhered to in the crowd but we really need to look at the math.

Look at the maths by all means but please, please do not look at the math! 

After all we are British - Math is very much a Northern American abbreviation of Mathematics. We cannot let our standards slip now Wink


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Posted By: Sail By
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 14:28
Consider myself reprimanded!! 


Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 14:40
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Consider myself reprimanded!! 

Yes, but did it add up?


Posted By: Member728
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 18:21
Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Consider myself reprimanded!! 

Yes, but did it add up?

I think we are divided on that


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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 18:43
With the latest announcement it looks like we will be lucky to have rugby in January!  The Ealing pre-season could be as long as the actual season.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 21:09
Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

With the latest announcement it looks like we will be lucky to have rugby in January!  The Ealing pre-season could be as long as the actual season.


Unfortunately, I think you may be correct.

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