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Topic: 1987-88 Northern Zone
Posted By: Novocastrian
Subject: 1987-88 Northern Zone
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 10:16
This took a while to type up. Hoping to get all other years done as well.

1987-88

NORTHERN ZONE                            
North 1   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Winngton Park   10   8   0   2   211   74   16
Kendal   10   7   0   3   135   104   14
West Park   10   7   0   3   135   107   14
Otley   10   5   1   4   194   122   11
Harrogate   10   5   0   5   147   113   10
Tynedale   10   5   0   5   96   116   10
Wigton   10   4   2   4   80   135   10
Hartlepool Rovers   10   4   1   5   104   162   9
Hull & East Riding   10   3   1   6   96   128   7
Widnes   10   3   0   7   80   143   6
Middlesbrough   10   1   1   8   81   155   3

North 2   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Aspatria   10   8   0   2   263   60   16
Halifax   10   8   0   2   225   83   16
Bradford & Bingley   10   8   0   2   144   80   16
Sandal   10   6   0   4   142   92   12
Alnwick   10   6   0   4   121   75   12
Lymm   10   6   0   4   111   119   12
New Brighton   10   4   0   6   108   157   8
Huddersfield   10   4   0   6   79   171   8
Davenport   10   3   0   7   78   142   6
Manchester   10   1   0   9   55   140   2
Wilmslow   10   0   0   10   42   249   0

North-West 1   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Carlisle   10   9   0   1   195   58   18
Wirral   10   8   0   2   133   99   16
Wigan   10   6   2   2   140   103   14
Caldy   10   6   0   4   119   111   12
Chester   10   5   1   4   118   99   11
Mid-Cheshire   10   5   0   5   129   123   10
Rochdale   10   4   1   5   110   112   9
Egremont   10   3   1   6   138   128   7
Southport   10   3   0   7   72   168   6
Netherhall   10   2   1   7   64   146   5
Blackburn   10   1   0   9   69   140   2
                             
North-West 2   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Sedgley Park   10   8   1   1   183   74   17
Sandbach   10   8   0   2   195   64   16
Macclesfield   10   7   0   3   122   62   14
Leigh   10   6   0   4   110   135   12
Burnage   10   5   1   4   97   110   11
Workington   10   5   1   4   94   131   11
Huckleberryermouth   10   4   1   5   167   124   9
Penrith   10   3   1   6   108   106   7
Newton le Willows   10   3   1   6   108   148   7
Heaton Moor   10   1   1   8   46   144   3
Warrington   10   1   1   8   35   167   3
                         
NW West 1   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Mersey Police   10   10   0   0   239   69   20
Liverpool College   10   8   0   2   109   72   16
Ormskirk   10   5   0   5   116   82   10
Old Parkonians   10   5   0   5   102   94   10
Douglas (IOM)   10   5   0   5   127   146   10
Aspull   10   4   0   6   122   145   8
St. Edward's Old Boys   10   4   0   6   108   143   8
Birchfield   10   3   2   5   85   132   8
Eagle   10   4   0   6   65   136   8
Oldershaw   10   3   1   6   119   125   7
Old Anselmians   10   3   1   6   103   151   7
                             
NW West 2   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Old Instonians   10   7   1   2   155   74   15
Ruskin Park   10   7   1   2   170   98   15
Vulcan   10   7   1   2   168   97   15
Sefton   10   6   1   3   142   78   13
Hightown   10   4   3   3   118   120   11
South Liverpool   10   4   2   4   101   113   10
Port Sunlight   10   3   3   4   146   113   9
Chester College   9   4   1   4   120   132   9
St. Mary's Old Boys   9   2   2   5   51   128   6
Moore   10   1   1   8   79   205   3
Wallasaey   10   0   2   8   72   136   2
                         
NW West 3   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Halton   9   9   0   0   229   38   18
Old Rockferrians   8   7   0   1   152   38   14
Helsby   9   5   2   2   134   83   12
Mossley Hill   9   6   0   3   99   97   12
Shell (Stanlow)   9   4   2   3   129   67   10
Hoylake   9   4   0   5   110   113   8
Prescot   9   1   4   4   59   84   6
Wigan Tech   9   1   1   7   55   146   3
Agecroft   9   1   1   7   47   199   3
Burtonwood   8   1   0   7   50   199   2
                         
NW E/North 1   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Old Aldwinians   10   8   1   1   209   47   17
Vickers   10   8   0   2   214   47   16
Furness   10   7   1   2   134   97   15
Moresby   8   7   0   1   120   63   14
Fleetwood   10   5   2   3   133   77   12
Oldham   10   5   0   5   99   70   10
Eccles   9   3   1   5   69   93   7
Littleborough   9   3   1   5   81   129   7
Toc H   9   2   0   7   62   94   4
Calder Vale   10   1   0   9   82   174   2
Colne/Nelson   10   1   0   9   47   359   2

NW East 1   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
De la Salle   10   10   0   0   252   42   20
Meltrovick   10   8   0   2   153   70   16
Ashton on Mersey   10   6   0   4   159   70   12
Tyldesley   10   5   1   4   116   67   11
Old Salians   10   5   1   4   108   96   11
Old Bedians   10   5   1   4   88   81   11
Kersal   10   5   0   5   124   75   10
Congleton   9   3   0   6   58   129   6
Ashton-Under-Lyme   10   3   0   7   50   146   6
North Manchester   10   2   1   7   52   262   5
Bowden   9   0   0   9   76   198   0
                         
NW East 2   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Bolton   9   9   0   0   216   33   18
Crewe/Nantwich   9   7   0   2   142   59   14
Greater Manchester Fire Service   9   6   2   1   92   58   14
Broughton   9   5   2   2   173   80   12
Bury   9   4   0   5   126   134   8
Manchester YMCA   9   3   0   6   83   143   6
Oldham College   8   2   1   5   67   109   5
Chorley   8   2   1   5   56   100   5
Dunkinfield   9   2   0   7   94   135   4
Marple   9   0   0   9   40   238   0
                         
NW North 1   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Windermere   9   9   0   0   214   41   18
Keswick   9   8   0   1   129   46   16
Kirkby Lonsdale   9   6   0   3   185   92   12
Rossendale   9   6   0   3   153   97   12
Creighton   9   4   0   5   98   197   8
St. Benedicts   9   3   1   5   87   107   7
Blackpool   9   3   0   6   65   129   6
Carnforth   9   2   2   5   73   138   6
Millom   9   1   1   7   41   135   3
Whitehaven   9   1   0   8   105   168   2
                         
NW North 2   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Thornton Cleveleys   7   6   0   1   145   41   12
British Steel   7   6   0   1   88   56   12
Upper Eden   7   5   0   2   115   62   10
Ambleside   7   4   0   3   98   79   8
Silloth   7   3   0   4   64   67   6
Smith Bros   6   2   0   4   81   100   4
Clitheroe   7   1   0   6   33   132   2
Lancaster Moor Hospital   6   0   0   6   35   122   0

North-East 1   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Wharfedale   10   9   0   1   140   55   18
Rotherham   10   8   0   2   173   52   16
Gateshead Fell   10   7   0   3   122   79   14
Old Crossleyans   10   6   1   3   143   105   13
Morpeth   10   6   0   4   90   84   12
Thornesians   10   6   0   4   115   117   12
Old Brodleians   10   3   1   6   88   126   7
Westoe   10   3   0   7   98   139   6
Keighley   10   3   0   7   65   118   6
Blaydon   10   3   0   7   107   177   6
Ripon   10   0   0   10   74   163   0
                         
North-East 2   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Novocastrians   10   9   1   0   137   72   19
Stockton   10   9   0   1   190   76   18
Pontefract   10   6   1   3   146   144   13
Old Hymerians   10   6   0   4   104   95   12
Beverley   10   5   0   5   144   85   10
Selby   10   4   0   6   86   78   8
York   10   4   0   6   105   112   8
Ryton   10   3   0   7   91   134   6
Pocklington   10   3   0   7   94   157   6
Newcastle University   10   3   0   7   123   191   6
Barnsley   10   2   0   8   82   158   4
                         
Durham/Northumberland 1   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Blyth   10   8   0   2   138   99   16
Rockcliff   10   6   1   3   70   74   13
Ponteland   10   6   0   4   95   113   12
Ashington   10   5   1   4   117   96   11
Darlington   10   5   1   4   91   74   11
Seghill   10   5   1   4   100   89   11
Acklam   10   4   2   4   105   62   10
Redcar   10   4   1   5   118   84   9
Horden   10   4   1   5   129   124   9
Winlaton   10   3   0   7   74   132   6
Percy Park   10   0   2   8   60   150   2
                         
Durham/Northumberland 2   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Mowden Park   10   9   0   1   259   60   18
Hartlepool   10   9   0   1   196   81   18
Bishop Auckland   10   8   0   2   245   87   16
Sunderland   10   5   1   4   160   117   11
Consett   10   5   1   4   109   122   11
Seaham   10   4   2   4   158   109   10
Wallsend   10   3   2   5   128   146   8
Medicals   10   3   0   7   83   139   6
North Durham   10   3   0   7   80   162   6
Hartlepool BBOB   10   3   0   7   105   247   6
Houghton   10   0   0   10   46   299   0
                         
Durham/Northumberland 3   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Whitby   9   9   0   0   256   56   18
Billingham   9   7   0   2   159   78   14
Guisborough   9   6   0   3   100   58   12
Seaton Carew   9   4   0   5   96   99   8
Wearside   9   4   0   5   85   112   8
Chester-Le-Steet   9   4   0   5   71   120   8
Darlington Railway Athletic   9   3   1   5   94   75   7
North Shields   9   3   1   5   117   143   7
Hartlepool TDSOB   9   3   0   6   59   113   6
Washington   9   1   0   8   51   234   2
                         
Durham/Northumberland 4   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Wensleydale   7   7   0   0   176   21   14
Prudhoe Hospital   8   7   0   1   113   84   14
South Tyneside College   7   5   0   2   183   65   10
Barnard Castle   7   4   0   3   113   88   8
Richmondshire   8   3   1   4   94   65   7
Jarrovians   8   3   0   5   87   105   6
Civil Service Durham   8   2   0   6   54   244   4
Newton Aycliffe*   7   0   1   6   31   109   3
*2 points awarded                            
                             
Yorkshire 1   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Roundhegians   10   10   0   0   256   72   20
Bramley   10   8   1   1   193   71   17
Hemsworth   10   7   1   2   169   80   15
West Park Bramhope   10   5   1   4   135   99   11
Driffield   10   4   1   5   143   111   9
Goole   10   4   0   6   76   115   8
Castleford   10   4   0   6   123   193   8
Cleckheaton   10   4   0   6   81   162   8
Moortwon   10   4   0   6   57   147   8
York RI   10   2   0   8   95   169   4
Scarborough   10   1   0   9   49   158   2
Yorkshire 2   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
North Ribblesdale   10   9   0   1   152   70    
Huddersfield YMCA   10   7   0   3   196   81    
Doncaster   10   7   0   3   171   74    
Wheatley Hills   10   7   0   3   174   84    
Wath UD   10   6   2   2   122   69    
Malton/Norton   10   4   1   5   97   91    
Ilkley   10   4   1   5   84   140    
Sheffield Tigers   10   3   0   7   62   122    
Ionians   10   3   0   7   114   205    
Old Otliensians   10   2   1   7   80   130    
Leodiensian   10   0   1   9   31   217    
                         
Yorkshire 3   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Bridlington   10   9   1   0   245   38   19
Marist   10   7   0   3   151   95   14
Baildon   10   6   0   4   143   109   12
Knottingley   10   5   1   4   72   50   11
Heath   10   5   0   5   82   166   10
Leeds CSSA   10   4   1   5   97   121   9
Airebronians   10   4   1   5   114   142   9
Yarnbury   10   3   1   6   107   100   7
Rodillians   10   3   1   6   65   103   7
Bradford Salem   10   3   0   6   63   135   6
Northallerton   10   3   0   7   74   154   6
                         
Yorkshire 4   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Wibsey   10   9   0   1   234   50   18
Old Modernians   10   8   0   2   199   92   16
Dinnington   10   6   1   3   164   77   13
Hessle   10   6   1   3   141   81   13
West Leeds   10   6   0   4   139   87   12
Hullensians   10   4   1   5   89   106   9
Wetherby   10   3   1   6   85   168   7
Leeds YMCA   10   3   0   7   76   146   6
Yorkshire CW   10   3   0   7   85   208   6
Burley   10   3   0   7   62   189   6
Skipton   10   2   0   8   92   162   4

Yorkshire 5   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Halifax Vandals   10   10   0   0   196   35   20
Old Rishworthians   10   8   0   2   233   52   16
Phoenix Park   10   8   0   2   156   52   16
Leeds Corinthians   10   6   0   4   121   96   12
Ossett   10   6   0   4   144   133   12
BP Chemicals   10   4   0   6   89   133   8
Yorkshire Main   10   3   0   7   93   98   6
Hornsea   10   3   0   7   80   152   6
Rowntrees   10   3   0   7   83   164   6
Withernsea   10   3   0   7   71   182   6
Knaresborough   10   1   0   9   38   207   2
                         
Yorkshire 6   P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts
Sheffield Oaks   9   9   0   0   293   7   18
Bridon   10   9   0   1   304   34   18
De-La-Salle   10   7   1   2   176   83   15
Sheffield Steels   10   6   0   4   115   98   12
Stocksbridge   10   5   0   5   83   121   10
Granville College   10   5   0   5   99   169   10
Sheffield Medicals   9   4   0   5   173   85   8
Adwick   10   3   1   6   143   171   7
Markham   10   3   0   7   73   128   6
Maltby Old Boys   10   2   0   8   95   272   4
Armthorpe    10   0   0   10   52   438   0




Replies:
Posted By: Penda
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 10:22
Interesting. Many cases of 'How are the mighty fallen'


Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 11:19
How many clubs are still going from this list?


Posted By: clieves
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 13:18
and the winners are ... 
Doncaster from Yorks 2 to the Championship


Posted By: clidge
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 15:30
Bridon in yorkshire 6 now known as as Doncaster Phoenix Nat 3 midlands


Posted By: Albert Fishwick
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 20:08
By that takes you back. I can remember going to see Yorkshire Copperworks play Halifax Vandals one winter, probably a year or two before that, when there were no other games on. The pollution in Stourton probably warmed the pitch up enough. Talk about clogging - it was a wonder the game was completed.

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That's easy for you to say.


Posted By: knightandday
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 22:29
Copper works used to have an excellent bath, heating pipes around the bottom of it, when you got out you were like a lobster. 

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Winning isn't everything, it just makes the beer taste better


Posted By: cobbler
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2020 at 21:17
The league one above North 1 was called Area League North (level 5 and the first split from National rugby)
Northern clubs were:
Birkenhead Park, Roundhay, Northern, Preston Grasshoppers, Durham City and Broughton Park
Midlands clubs were:
Rugby Lions, Stourbridge, Lichfield, Derby, Solihull (before merged with Birmingham)

Prior to that I would have classed all those Northern clubs as lower "1st Class" (whatever that means - results in bold print in the Telegraph I guess) as well as several in the leagues originally listed above, but of the Midlands clubs only Rugby Lions would be similarly described.


Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 13:13
Originally posted by cobbler cobbler wrote:

The league one above North 1 was called Area League North (level 5 and the first split from National rugby)
Northern clubs were:
Birkenhead Park, Roundhay, Northern, Preston Grasshoppers, Durham City and Broughton Park
Midlands clubs were:
Rugby Lions, Stourbridge, Lichfield, Derby, Solihull (before merged with Birmingham)

Prior to that I would have classed all those Northern clubs as lower "1st Class" (whatever that means - results in bold print in the Telegraph I guess) as well as several in the leagues originally listed above, but of the Midlands clubs only Rugby Lions would be similarly described.

Much credit should always go to Hoppers and Stour for staying at this level (except brief flirtations into the league above) although as I type I realise that Hoppers have dropped this season (although they’ll go straight back up).  Two massive clubs who’ve been consistent for 30 years 


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 13:37
The old 'North One' is the equivalent of National 2 North today (Level 4.).
I think that Hull & East Riding/Hull Ionians or Tynedale may hold the record for the number of years spent at Level 4. or above, without  ever dropping to Level 5.

No doubt someone might prove me wrong?


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Posted By: cobbler
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 14:10
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

The old 'North One' is the equivalent of National 2 North today (Level 4.).

Yes, possibly right - considering the small number of Midlands teams in it (most of which struggle to stay in it). And probably consistent with my comment about the relative 'status' of the Midlands clubs at the outset.

When the clubs at level 5 are put back into their 'home' region before level transfers occur, there are always fewest clubs in the Midlands region.


Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 01 May 2020 at 19:54
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

The old 'North One' is the equivalent of National 2 North today (Level 4.).
I think that Hull & East Riding/Hull Ionians or Tynedale may hold the record for the number of years spent at Level 4. or above, without  ever dropping to Level 5.

No doubt someone might prove me wrong?

I’s certainly had time at L5 didn't they since 2000?


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 01 May 2020 at 23:09
Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

The old 'North One' is the equivalent of National 2 North today (Level 4.).
I think that Hull & East Riding/Hull Ionians or Tynedale may hold the record for the number of years spent at Level 4. or above, without  ever dropping to Level 5.

No doubt someone might prove me wrong?

I’s certainly had time at L5 didn't they since 2000?

No. Don't think so.


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 May 2020 at 00:51
Wikipedia lists winning the North v Midlands play off in 2002 and 2005 among Ionians honours.

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Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 03 May 2020 at 19:21
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

The old 'North One' is the equivalent of National 2 North today (Level 4.).
I think that Hull & East Riding/Hull Ionians or Tynedale may hold the record for the number of years spent at Level 4. or above, without  ever dropping to Level 5.

No doubt someone might prove me wrong?

I’s certainly had time at L5 didn't they since 2000?

No. Don't think so.

Relegated in 2003


Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 03 May 2020 at 19:22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League_2_North" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League_2_North


Posted By: Maroon
Date Posted: 03 May 2020 at 19:42
Reference Hull Ionians, I believe this information is correct, but willing to be corrected.


Hull Ionians were at level 5 from 1989-2002 (From 1987 if you count Hull and ER)

They were at level 4 for a season (2002-3) before being relegated to level 5 in 2003 for 2 seasons (2003-5)

Since 2005 they have have been moving between levels 4 and 3.



Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 03 May 2020 at 22:10
Originally posted by Maroon Maroon wrote:

Reference Hull Ionians, I believe this information is correct, but willing to be corrected.


Hull Ionians were at level 5 from 1989-2002 (From 1987 if you count Hull and ER)

They were at level 4 for a season (2002-3) before being relegated to level 5 in 2003 for 2 seasons (2003-5)

Since 2005 they have have been moving between levels 4 and 3.


That was my idea so hardly up there with the clubs who’ve been around at L4 for years


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 03 May 2020 at 22:48
Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Originally posted by Maroon Maroon wrote:

Reference Hull Ionians, I believe this information is correct, but willing to be corrected.


Hull Ionians were at level 5 from 1989-2002 (From 1987 if you count Hull and ER)

They were at level 4 for a season (2002-3) before being relegated to level 5 in 2003 for 2 seasons (2003-5)

Since 2005 they have have been moving between levels 4 and 3.


That was my idea so hardly up there with the clubs who’ve been around at L4 for years

Happy to stand corrected. All a question of Leagues and equivalent levels. My mistake. 

The leagues were introduced 32 years ago. I don't think Hull &ER/Hull Ionians have a bad record during that time, be it at levels 5, 4 or 3.

You may disagree but then again, you live up a tree.




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Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 00:02
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Originally posted by Maroon Maroon wrote:

Reference Hull Ionians, I believe this information is correct, but willing to be corrected.


Hull Ionians were at level 5 from 1989-2002 (From 1987 if you count Hull and ER)

They were at level 4 for a season (2002-3) before being relegated to level 5 in 2003 for 2 seasons (2003-5)

Since 2005 they have have been moving between levels 4 and 3.


That was my idea so hardly up there with the clubs who’ve been around at L4 for years

Happy to stand corrected. All a question of Leagues and equivalent levels. My mistake. 

The leagues were introduced 32 years ago. I don't think Hull &ER/Hull Ionians have a bad record during that time, be it at levels 5, 4 or 3.

You may disagree but then again, you live up a tree.



Cor blimey!


Posted By: Novocastrian
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 11:15
With a well known wiki editor (Jjgsmith) we’ve worked together to update the entire Northern Division Wikipedia pages, to include all league winners, relegations and restructurings. This also includes now defunct leagues such as North West 3, North East 1 etc etc. 

We’re still working through some of the NW leagues as it was rather complicated back in the day!

We’re hoping to then complete Midlands and Southern Divisions at some point in the future as well.

Take a look, work your way through the various levels and you might find your club winning a league that you may have had no idea about! 

Best,

Novo


Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 12:51
Via a combination of the RFU website, some Rothmans yearbooks, Courage Clubs Directories and a healthy dollop of OCD, I've compiled a spreadsheet with all of the league tables for London & South East since 1987.  I haven't got the patience to format it for Wikipedia, but if it would be of any use to you then drop me a line.


Posted By: Novocastrian
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 13:17
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Via a combination of the RFU website, some Rothmans yearbooks, Courage Clubs Directories and a healthy dollop of OCD, I've compiled a spreadsheet with all of the league tables for London & South East since 1987.  I haven't got the patience to format it for Wikipedia, but if it would be of any use to you then drop me a line.

That would be tremendous. DM sent.

I must admit, it is incredibly painful to update it onto wikipedia. But once it's there, it's there which is useful for everyone. Surprising that the RFU have never gotten round to updating the tables themselves on their own website.


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 15:29
Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Via a combination of the RFU website, some Rothmans yearbooks, Courage Clubs Directories and a healthy dollop of OCD, I've compiled a spreadsheet with all of the league tables for London & South East since 1987.  I haven't got the patience to format it for Wikipedia, but if it would be of any use to you then drop me a line.

That would be tremendous. DM sent.

I must admit, it is incredibly painful to update it onto wikipedia. But once it's there, it's there which is useful for everyone. Surprising that the RFU have never gotten round to updating the tables themselves on their own website.

You're not really surprised are you?


Posted By: Camp Freddie
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 20:30
Quuite a few teams in the higher leagues got their fingers burned.

With regards to the RFU & Wiki, I've been trying to find the England team that played the New Zealand Native in 1888/1889, any help greatfully received, as next step the TW2 museum but probably furloughed.


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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 21:09
Originally posted by Camp Freddie Camp Freddie wrote:

Quuite a few teams in the higher leagues got their fingers burned.

With regards to the RFU & Wiki, I've been trying to find the England team that played the New Zealand Native in 1888/1889, any help greatfully received, as next step the TW2 museum but probably furloughed.

I've got that. Email me and I'll send you the details - tackler7@yahoo.com


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Posted By: Camp Freddie
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 21:28
Top man Richard, thanks for your help.

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Posted By: Novocastrian
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 18:11
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Via a combination of the RFU website, some Rothmans yearbooks, Courage Clubs Directories and a healthy dollop of OCD, I've compiled a spreadsheet with all of the league tables for London & South East since 1987.  I haven't got the patience to format it for Wikipedia, but if it would be of any use to you then drop me a line.

That would be tremendous. DM sent.

I must admit, it is incredibly painful to update it onto wikipedia. But once it's there, it's there which is useful for everyone. Surprising that the RFU have never gotten round to updating the tables themselves on their own website.

You're not really surprised are you?

Not particularly. It’s still a shame it’s left up to others (History bores and volunteers!Wink )to get the work done!

Anyway, the entire Northern Division is nearly finished. There’s been some very strange league set ups in the North West over the years, I must say (North West West 1 and names like that). At least it’s mostly done now though. Take a look if you’re from the North and are interested in seeing the rise and fall of certain clubs.

We’ll then be moving onto doing the entire London SE set up courtesy of Mark W-J’s great work. And finally Midlands. (SW has already been done).


Posted By: Novocastrian
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 18:13
All London & SE leagues now updated on wiki.

Only Midlands Division left to do. Does anyone have this on hand?


Posted By: Allan Foster
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2020 at 11:30
In National Division Three (level 3) that year, the clubs were, in no particular order:

Vale of Lune, Sheffield, Plymouth, Met Police, Fylde, Maidstone, Birmingham, Exeter, West Hartlepool, Wakefield, Morley & Nuneaton.




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Posted By: 'Hopper
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2020 at 16:10
Originally posted by Allan Foster Allan Foster wrote:

In National Division Three (level 3) that year, the clubs were, in no particular order:

Vale of Lune, Sheffield, Plymouth, Met Police, Fylde, Maidstone, Birmingham, Exeter, West Hartlepool, Wakefield, Morley & Nuneaton.
Level 4 that year was made up of:
Roundhay, Rugby, Solihull, Stourbridge, Preston Grasshoppers, Birkenhead Park,  Broughton Park, Derby, Durham City, Lichfield and Northern. 


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Posted By: cobbler
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2020 at 22:51
Originally posted by 'Hopper 'Hopper wrote:

Originally posted by Allan Foster Allan Foster wrote:

In National Division Three (level 3) that year, the clubs were, in no particular order:

Vale of Lune, Sheffield, Plymouth, Met Police, Fylde, Maidstone, Birmingham, Exeter, West Hartlepool, Wakefield, Morley & Nuneaton.
Level 4 that year was made up of:
Roundhay, Rugby, Solihull, Stourbridge, Preston Grasshoppers, Birkenhead Park,  Broughton Park, Derby, Durham City, Lichfield and Northern. 
I think you will find that was level 5... the first split North / South below 4 national leagues (see my post early in the thread). It had a catchy title of "Area League North" I believe!


Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2020 at 09:52
No, Area League North/ South was level four.  Renamed Courage League Four North/ South at the start of the 1990-91 season.  Became Courage Five North/ South for the 1994-95 campaign (I think) due to the reduction in the size of leagues above.



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