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Topic: Premiership Debate
Posted By: stadium
Subject: Premiership Debate
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 08:29
Reported in press today the new sponsors CVC held at meeting yesterday in Newcastle with proposal to increase League to 13 Clubs.



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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 08:55
13 is a stupid number as one club does not get a game, so the season is four weeks but only two games longer.
14 might make sense - but you may need to drop the Cup.
But, it means splitting the TV money between CVC and more clubs.
So could the clubs afford it.


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Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 11:17
Perhaps 14 is the plan. They increase to 13 for next season and then 14 the season after by promoting Newcastle and introducing ring fencing. Then all of the 'right' clubs will be in the prem and the nasty Championship clubs will be nowhere.


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 11:24
14 would also allow one club to dream & test themselves against the best. Play off game with bottom prem v top champ, only if top champ meets criteria. Think Prem stadium limit of 10,000 should be lowered or even scrapped as long as all safety requirements are met.

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Posted By: elmsall man
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 13:04
The R P today also says that there is a strong rumour that relegation from the Championship will cease in 2020


Posted By: Stoatgobbler
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 13:27
Originally posted by elmsall man elmsall man wrote:

The R P today also says that there is a strong rumour that relegation from the Championship will cease in 2020


I don't see the point in that.


Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 13:29
Lovely. Two meaningless leagues.

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Posted By: Stoatgobbler
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 13:47
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Lovely. Two meaningless leagues.


One of which is heavily bankrolled, the other being the pauper.


Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 16:32
Kill off all ambition best just scrap the league system then as there is nothing to play for effectively killing the game.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 17:13
May as well given how nobody has managed to break in in recent years, 
Also all the clubs are solvent and do not rely on RFU subsidy.

Club Year promoted
Ampthill & District 2019
Coventry 2018
Hartpury College 2017
Ealing Trailfinders 2015
Doncaster Knights 2014
Jersey Reds 2013
London Scottish 2012
Nottingham 2005
Cornish Pirates 2004
Yorkshire Carnegie 1998
Bedford Blues 1995
Newcastle 1994



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Posted By: Baggins
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 18:19
If they are going to ring fence the Premiership they should ensure a good geographical spread of clubs and include any clubs with legitimate Premiership ambitions or who just happen to be in the right area Pirates and Leeds for instance. Then bank roll the minnows to ensure some sort of parity.
If that means 2 leagues of 8, if one league of 16 is too big then so be it.

Ring fencing the Championship would be stupid and pointless, it should stay what it is - the pinnacle of the semi-pro game.


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Posted By: Bluesman11
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 19:42
The way I interpreted the comment was there would be no relegation from the champ for 1 year to facilitate the 13 team ring fenced prem. So 1 team goes up, 1 team gets promoted into the league and none get relegated for 1 season to keep the league at 12. There are no reasons whatsoever to ringfence it. There was also talk of a combined prem/champ cup. I expect if Ealing were to win the league though they would try to postpone the idea!

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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 20:39
Bin the Premiership Cup - even more useless than its predecessor (Anglo-Welsh) promote 2 more clubs to give a 14 team division.

Bin the Championship cup - even more useless than the predecessor (B &I cup - I see a common theme) promote enough clubs to form a 14 team division.

1 down and 1 up between Premiership and Championship, 2 down and 2 up between Championship and N1.

This system works well in France - no reason why it shouldn't here.

Benefit of a 14 team Premiership - should always be 1 weak team who can be relegated without upsetting the big boys.

In reality, I cannot see why ring-fencing is even being discussed given this season's competition has been the most exciting for many a year. Rarely a game has been meaningless with top 4 play-offs and Champios Cup qualification and a 3 way relegation battle.

basically -it ain't broken so don't attempt to fix it

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 21:21
I would go for a 16 team Championship to give a 30 week season, same as Nat 1.
Though funding would presumably decrease from~600k to ~450k per team.
There are plenty of Nat 1 teams that would be able to be competitive given they get 400k extra and Championship teams would be operating on 150k less. 

The question then is do you keep Nat 1 or go Championship then Conferences.




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Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 13 May 2019 at 08:31
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Bin the Premiership Cup - even more useless than its predecessor (Anglo-Welsh) promote 2 more clubs to give a 14 team division.

Bin the Championship cup - even more useless than the predecessor (B &I cup - I see a common theme) promote enough clubs to form a 14 team division.

1 down and 1 up between Premiership and Championship, 2 down and 2 up between Championship and N1.

This system works well in France - no reason why it shouldn't here.

Benefit of a 14 team Premiership - should always be 1 weak team who can be relegated without upsetting the big boys.

In reality, I cannot see why ring-fencing is even being discussed given this season's competition has been the most exciting for many a year. Rarely a game has been meaningless with top 4 play-offs and Champios Cup qualification and a 3 way relegation battle.

basically -it ain't broken so don't attempt to fix it

Completely agree - but that's not what most of the self interested Prem clubs want, so it won't happen. It also seems to me that the same argument applies to The Championship - where payoffs kept interest going for more clubs for longer into the season and gave the poorer relations more of a chance to upset the well-heeled relegated Prem team. We all know what happened to that.



Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 13 May 2019 at 08:55
Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Bin the Premiership Cup - even more useless than its predecessor (Anglo-Welsh) promote 2 more clubs to give a 14 team division.

Bin the Championship cup - even more useless than the predecessor (B &I cup - I see a common theme) promote enough clubs to form a 14 team division.

1 down and 1 up between Premiership and Championship, 2 down and 2 up between Championship and N1.

This system works well in France - no reason why it shouldn't here.

Benefit of a 14 team Premiership - should always be 1 weak team who can be relegated without upsetting the big boys.

In reality, I cannot see why ring-fencing is even being discussed given this season's competition has been the most exciting for many a year. Rarely a game has been meaningless with top 4 play-offs and Champios Cup qualification and a 3 way relegation battle.

basically -it ain't broken so don't attempt to fix it

Completely agree - but that's not what most of the self interested Prem clubs want, so it won't happen. It also seems to me that the same argument applies to The Championship - where payoffs kept interest going for more clubs for longer into the season and gave the poorer relations more of a chance to upset the well-heeled relegated Prem team. We all know what happened to that.

 
The argument that gets advanced for the end of the playoffs was that the team going up didn't have time to recruit properly. That's obviously easily fixable - just shift the Championship season forward a month from the Premiership season - or with the new schedule, just keep the current season for everyone below the Prem.


Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 13 May 2019 at 09:35
That's logical, but we know that the 'time' argument was not the real reason. It's the perennial human desire of vested interests to retain privileges.


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Posted By: fenboy
Date Posted: 13 May 2019 at 10:32
Just as a matter of interest and please excuse my ignorance, but why are players contracts for the following season signed during the current one? If players could not transfer until the current season is over then it wouldn't matter whether there were play-offs or not.

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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 14 May 2019 at 20:21
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I would go for a 16 team Championship to give a 30 week season, same as Nat 1.
Though funding would presumably decrease from~600k to ~450k per team.
There are plenty of Nat 1 teams that would be able to be competitive given they get 400k extra and Championship teams would be operating on 150k less. 

The question then is do you keep Nat 1 or go Championship then Conferences.

 

This benefits Blues as 4 more home games would cover the £150k.  However, we would go back to the same issue as before that the bottom 4 would be way off the others.  Blues would put out weaken teams and still win 50+.

The issue with no promotion and relegation to the Premiership is two-fold:

1. No investment in the leagues below the Premiership

2. The owners who has lost millions in the Premiership and have always been at the bottom of the table will think that they can play a bunch of 18 year olds for peanuts and start to recoup their losses!  Why?  Nothing will happen to them.  The standard of the Premiership will decline and then all the BT money which was because there was a competition will disappear.


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 14 May 2019 at 20:22
Originally posted by fenboy fenboy wrote:

Just as a matter of interest and please excuse my ignorance, but why are players contracts for the following season signed during the current one? If players could not transfer until the current season is over then it wouldn't matter whether there were play-offs or not.
 

Players need to know where they are going to be and earn a living?  Pre-season starts in June, then you would have a manic 1-2 months when they are meant to be relaxing.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 14 May 2019 at 22:47
But for the last few years the promoted team has stayed up and the relegated team has not managed to be promoted. I think the gap has narrowed

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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 16 May 2019 at 13:08
Line from a Times article today, most of which focused on yet more cutbacks at all levels at HQ...

"The RFU Board discussed PRL's latest proposal [yesterday] for a 13-team Prem and the intro of a prom/rel PO. The plan is said to need more work before it is ready to present to the RFU Council for approval in June."


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 16 May 2019 at 13:21
So say we have a relegation play-off and then Blues win... then they say your ground doesn't meet the criteria no relegation!  I think the Championship should only accept such a proposal if the Minimum Standard Criteria was abolished. 
The MSC is more of a barrier than beating the bottom of the Premiership in my opinion.  I would also push for one leg at the Championship ground, as there has to be reward for finishing top of a division rather than bottom.


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 16 May 2019 at 14:34
Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

So say we have a relegation play-off and then Blues win... then they say your ground doesn't meet the criteria no relegation!  I think the Championship should only accept such a proposal if the Minimum Standard Criteria was abolished. 
The MSC is more of a barrier than beating the bottom of the Premiership in my opinion.  I would also push for one leg at the Championship ground, as there has to be reward for finishing top of a division rather than bottom.

Agreed, especially how hypocritical it is given most of the Premiership teams had grounds like Ealing's in the early days of professional rugby.


Posted By: MalMundy
Date Posted: 16 May 2019 at 14:52

Nothing will ever happen until the RFU has the balls to say to the Premiership Rugby that they have to end their practise of P shares, money from the RFU/Television and other sponsorship of the Premiership should be shared between all Premiership clubs equally.

Not given as a parachute payment to the demoted club. Then if the promoted club from the Championship manages to survive that first season it would be in a better position to push on.

I don’t go for the idea that the parachute payment is a form of insurance that is there to cover players wages etc. if professional clubs can’t run within budgets then tough on them, players and other staff will move on to clubs that can.

Make the Premiership 14 teams and the championship 16 teams do away with the cup competitions and have 2 promoted and 2 relegated also 2 promoted and 2 relegated between Nat 1 and Championship.

Do away with Premiership A league and restrict size of squads, say 36 to 40 for Premiership and 30 to 36 for the Championship (exceptions would be made in cases of injuries), central contracts for England players so clubs can budget and recruit appropriately.

I would also have the championship teams employ a few people to oversee the affairs of the championship (TV/Sponsorship Deals)

NO TO RINGFENCING This destroys competition and ambition (look at the excitement in both leagues this season)



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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 16 May 2019 at 19:20
Nurse the screens the patient is obviously delusional. He seems to believe the world is rational.


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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 09:03
Whilst there has been derision that the Premiership payments are exempt from the cuts (including the new extra requirements) there has been no mention that payments to the Championship teams are also exempt.

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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 13:40
Championship payments guaranteed for one more season-will be very interesting after that though


Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 14:45
One more year of guaranteed funding for the Championship and then 

1) a renegotiation and all continues for the next few years am sure some agreement to change automatic     promotion would be built in 

2) premiership inspired nuclear option and funding is cut and ringfencing brought in with a lifeline to the       relegated premiership team. Can see 3/4 teams surviving but having to cut  their cloth accordingly           but who would they play


Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 19 May 2019 at 14:57
I went to the Wasps Harlequins match at the Ricoh Arena. It was literally half full .The official attendance was 16,000 with a capacity of 32,000.

It emphasised the gulf between the Premiership and the Championship in so many ways. The crowd attendance being the most obvious but the standard of play and particurly the defence and pace of the game.

The internationals in both teams both past and present equated to fifty percent of the players on show. The salary value into several millions between the two teams.

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Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 19 May 2019 at 17:18
Was reading in the Sunday Times today about the RFU cuts to Dean Ryan's department and the reasons for him leaving for the Dragons. Made me think that it's only a matter of time before the RFU go for the 'low hanging fruit' of the Championship funding...


Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 19 May 2019 at 19:46
Originally posted by Trailfinder Trailfinder wrote:

Was reading in the Sunday Times today about the RFU cuts to Dean Ryan's department and the reasons for him leaving for the Dragons. Made me think that it's only a matter of time before the RFU go for the 'low hanging fruit' of the Championship funding...
 

I refer to my comment 2 above yours its one of two options 


Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 19 May 2019 at 20:24
Indeed


Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 08:14
Originally posted by JonDee JonDee wrote:

One more year of guaranteed funding for the Championship and then 

1) a renegotiation and all continues for the next few years am sure some agreement to change automatic     promotion would be built in 

2) premiership inspired nuclear option and funding is cut and ringfencing brought in with a lifeline to the       relegated premiership team. Can see 3/4 teams surviving but having to cut  their cloth accordingly           but who would they play


Logically, the second option would see anyone still standing in the Championship following the withdrawal of funding if loads of clubs went to the wall having to join N1.
In reality i’m not sure it would be as few as 3/4 though?


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Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 08:58
Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by JonDee JonDee wrote:

One more year of guaranteed funding for the Championship and then 

1) a renegotiation and all continues for the next few years am sure some agreement to change automatic     promotion would be built in 

2) premiership inspired nuclear option and funding is cut and ringfencing brought in with a lifeline to the       relegated premiership team. Can see 3/4 teams surviving but having to cut  their cloth accordingly           but who would they play


Logically, the second option would see anyone still standing in the Championship following the withdrawal of funding if loads of clubs went to the wall having to join N1.
In reality i’m not sure it would be as few as 3/4 though?
 
I think 3/4 teams would have the finance to survive losing the RFU money without altering their team but their problem would be who would they play. I think at least 5/6 teams would have to say goodbye to at least 50% of their squad which would lead to some major mismatches.  100 points plus would not be unrealistic .

The clubs wouldn't have to go to the wall as most players contracts finish at the end of the next season but if they were amalgamated with N1 there would have to be a major reorganisation of the leagues as cannot see N1 suddenly having 20 + teams


Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 09:00
So I’ll be part time below the Premiership and they will be safe in their cocoon.

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Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 09:28
Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

So I’ll be part time below the Premiership and they will be safe in their cocoon.
 
Possibly and they will keep buying Southern Hemisphere  seconds and nationalizing them after 3 years until they end up like Football where the Premiership only have 30% of English  players in fact the top 6 now have 20% English players in their teams !!!!




Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 10:04
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Line from a Times article today, most of which focused on yet more cutbacks at all levels at HQ...

"The RFU Board discussed PRL's latest proposal [yesterday] for a 13-team Prem and the intro of a prom/rel PO. The plan is said to need more work before it is ready to present to the RFU Council for approval in June."


The 'more work' referred to by The Times was expanded upon in The Rugby Paper yesterday. They referred to player welfare concerns, with a 13-team Prem potentially leading to players having an increased workload because of the league season expanding from 22 to 24 games, and issues with the Rugby Players Association about the impact on their members.

Apparently these concerns 'may scupper' the plans to expand to 13 in 2020, with time running out for a decision - which has to be made prior to RFU Council mtg on 14/6. Dumping the Prem Cup was mentioned as one possible solution to the issue - I expect they'll find a way...


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 10:37
I suspect we will see a 14 team premiership with no cup. makes much more sense.
Not sure what will happen to academies.
I suspect they would sanction a 14th.

A 16 team combined Championship and Nat 1 with much reduced funding. ~£250k
A promotion play-off weighted in favour of the favoured clique.
3up / 3 down to a renamed national 1 North / South.

16 team Regional Premierships.

Given all the woes on travel, it would make sense to widen the pyramid, but aside from removing National 1, they won't.





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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 11:49
I think that is a superb solution Camquin, but a 14 team Championship . .with no cup comp would make sense and a big yes to Nat1 North and South . . . although North might have to stretch down to Bedfordshire!!!

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Posted By: donnyladinsheffield
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 18:55
14 teams and ringfenced. Unless they expand end of season playoffs (with issues arising then on numbers of games for players) that will be an awful lot of dead rubbers in a season.

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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 19:30
Originally posted by donnyladinsheffield donnyladinsheffield wrote:

14 teams and ringfenced. Unless they expand end of season playoffs (with issues arising then on numbers of games for players) that will be an awful lot of dead rubbers in a season.


I have said it before, why change anything after a season like this one where almost every game on the last day of the season had something riding on it.

The threat of relegation keeps clubs on their toes - I suspect it is because there was a chance the mighty Leicester were almost relegated that this topic became a hot potato.

It's not broke so don't try to fix it!



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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 20:21
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by donnyladinsheffield donnyladinsheffield wrote:

14 teams and ringfenced. Unless they expand end of season playoffs (with issues arising then on numbers of games for players) that will be an awful lot of dead rubbers in a season.


I have said it before, why change anything after a season like this one where almost every game on the last day of the season had something riding on it.

The threat of relegation keeps clubs on their toes - I suspect it is because there was a chance the mighty Leicester were almost relegated that this topic became a hot potato.

It's not broke so don't try to fix it!



To be fair, Leicester have been continuously vocal in their support for promotion and relegation.


Posted By: donnyladinsheffield
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 20:25
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by donnyladinsheffield donnyladinsheffield wrote:

14 teams and ringfenced. Unless they expand end of season playoffs (with issues arising then on numbers of games for players) that will be an awful lot of dead rubbers in a season.


I have said it before, why change anything after a season like this one where almost every game on the last day of the season had something riding on it.

The threat of relegation keeps clubs on their toes - I suspect it is because there was a chance the mighty Leicester were almost relegated that this topic became a hot potato.

It's not broke so don't try to fix it!



To be fair, Leicester have been continuously vocal in their support for promotion and relegation.


Tellingly, so are players who have been through it


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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 27 May 2019 at 13:38
So, TRP had a story saying that Ealing (in particular its main backer, Mike Gooley) has stated that he would support a 13 team premiership with a relegation playoff - on the proviso that there would be more funding for the championship, in particular cannibalizing the "parachute" payment.
I'm not sure how I feel about this from a purist point of view, but from a pragmatic point of view, I think that this was politically astute. Either:
 
A: The Premiership is put into a politically awkward position by the request for better funding, and they have to back down on the playoff concept.
 
B: The Premiership agrees, and the proposal hives off several million more per year from the Premiership coffers.
 
Lots of other questions on what this would entail - could we have playoffs back in the Championship? Could there be a combined cup (how would that work with the extra fixtures), would the Championship stay the same size? Anyhow, we'll see how it plays out, but I think that this was a politically astute move.


Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 28 May 2019 at 07:52
https://www.drfc.co.uk/news/article/club-statement-tony-de-mulder-on-ring-fencing" rel="nofollow - https://www.drfc.co.uk/news/article/club-statement-tony-de-mulder-on-ring-fencing

This is a statement from our Chairman on the ring fencing debacle


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Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 28 May 2019 at 09:55
Yes he's quite right. Is the current arrangement a 'restrictive practice'?
Definition: an arrangement in industry or trade that restricts competition between firms.


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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 28 May 2019 at 10:50
95% plus of interviews from those who advocate Ringfencing refer to the BUSINESS benefits of a closed shop, rarely the RUGBY benefits (of which no one has yet to put a convincing case).

Ringfencing is all about money. If the owners of the 13 clubs were to have the markets restricted or closed to them in their non rugby businesses they would be the first to complain. It's 100% hypocrisy.

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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 28 May 2019 at 11:25
Richard -some rugby benefits.  Ring fencing would remove threat of relegation. Consequently D of R's/Head Coaches would be more likely to give young England qualified players an opportunity to play rather than bring in ever increasing numbers of overseas players. This would increase the number of experienced players who could potentially play for the national team. How many of our excellent u20 World Cup squad each season get a Premiership start the following year compared to those of NZ,Aus and SA? More English coaches, managers, strength and conditioning coaches and medics would be given the opportunity to learn their trade in the highest league and develop for the potential benefit of the national team-we might even develop a succession plan for the England Head Coach. The huge amounts of RFU money pumped into the Premiership would go to develop more English players- not simply act as a pension pot for past it overseas journeymen. Finally the first job of a coach would not be to avoid relegation. This would potentially allow more risk averse styles of play being adopted and thus could see the top teams indulge less in either a box kick fest or simply hold possession until the opposition concede a penalty and then kick to the corner to score via a catch and drive. Finally there wul dbe less incentive to spend so much money on wages-thus allowing the millions currently spent to flow further down the game to hopefully ensure the places from which many of today's best players started still exist in 20 years time


Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 28 May 2019 at 11:30
You have overlooked the fact that the Prem Clubs still want the big bucks of playing in the European Comps - as such they will still pay the overseas players to come fill that void to assure themselves of a berth, and less experienced / junior England qualified players will still end up A League, Loaned Out etc.

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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 28 May 2019 at 11:41
Ryan Walkinshaw, former owner of Gloucester admitted the development of academy players was "Low down the priority reasons to Ringfence the Premiership"




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Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 28 May 2019 at 12:43
In addition the money is paid to the Premiership cannot see any reason they would give it back to the RFU to let it flow further down the game.  Also cannot see any way they would tell the top end players they were reducing their salaries for the good of the game


Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 28 May 2019 at 12:48
Still come back to my post of the 17th May

One more year of guaranteed funding for the Championship and then 

1) a renegotiation and all continues for the next few years am sure some agreement to change automatic  promotion would be built in 

2) premiership inspired nuclear option and funding is cut and ringfencing brought in with a lifeline to the  relegated premiership team. Can see 3/4 teams surviving but having to cut  their cloth accordingly but who would they play.

I hope option 1 is followed in some shape or form but fear option 2 is more likely especially with the track record of their new partner and ow they operated Formula 1 



Posted By: mundiz
Date Posted: 29 May 2019 at 12:44
If (when) they ring-fence the Premiership, we should ring-fence the Championship players.  To sign a contract to play in the championship or below a player must be contractually obliged not to play for a Premiership club unless a £1 million levy is paid to the club that they transferred from. Simples

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Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 29 May 2019 at 14:58
Originally posted by mundiz mundiz wrote:

If (when) they ring-fence the Premiership, we should ring-fence the Championship players.  To sign a contract to play in the championship or below a player must be contractually obliged not to play for a Premiership club unless a £1 million levy is paid to the club that they transferred from. Simples
The last similar programme was for clubs below Level 5 to receive a "reward" from national/ Championship or Prem clubs for players who played 1st XV rugby prior to their 21st birthday. This was on the proviso the said player had been through the original clubs junior teams, Premier academy player were excluded. But in my experience no Nat level club paid up despite requests to them, their CB or the RFU (only 2 cases to be fair). 

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Posted By: WPL
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 15:24
An interesting update - I wonder if it's deliberate it's come out on the European Draw Day (hide the bad news among bigger news)

http://https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/11744716/rfu-discussing-premiership-relegation-play-off-plan-says-bill-sweeney" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/11744716/rfu-discussing-premiership-relegation-play-off-plan-says-bill-sweeney


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 15:40
I thought this had been discussed before. 13 is just a stupid number.

I love the blase way that they assume Leeds will be able to continue if they survive the CVA.


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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 16:09
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I thought this had been discussed before. 13 is just a stupid number.

I love the blase way that they assume Leeds will be able to continue if they survive the CVA.

The RFU has no interest or involvement in club rugby so they will be blase as it isn't anything to do with them and it doesn't affect them at all. I wonder if the RFU realises that there are a whole host of clubs desperate to know the outcome of all of this- probably not - how could they because that is to do with club rugby and proper rugby stuff which they have absolutely no involvement with or interest in


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