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Topic: Regional Premier Leagues 2019/20
Posted By: Dagfish
Subject: Regional Premier Leagues 2019/20
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2019 at 19:23
As it is looking more and more as if I will have an interest in the Regional Premier Leagues next season, I have started to prepare the listing of how promotion & relegation will affect the league structure in 2019/20.

As usual, any team definitely at this level next season has a bold coloured background, anyone whose fate is still unknown has a pale background, and anyone definitely leaving the level has a white background.

Although it's slightly later than in previous years, many decisions remain to be made in the coming weeks - the picture is still a little vague, particularly in London/SE.

I'm sure I will have made the odd mistake, so please feel free to point out any discrepancies.





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Posted By: Quick Hands
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 19:43
Dagfish,

Despite playing for several years in the Midlands, Sandbach's home territory is the North.


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 17:02
Will Bedford be put back in Midlands? I think I remember reading somewhere that once you've been level transferred, you stay there for 2 seasons? I can't remember if there was some caveat if you volunteered for the transfer.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 17:18
All clubs revert back to their regions initially and then they work out how many level transfers are required which is when the tape measures come out although this can be further complicated by clubs volunteering to move over which obviously causes less aggro than imposing a transfer on a less than willing club


Posted By: SlippedThroughTheNet
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 19:40
Am I right in thinking that LIWG are a L&SE team? So are Guernsey. So assuming only 1 goes up from L&SE, that means Bedford can transfer back with no problem.

But then SW would need 2 more to transfer from Midlands.

So complicated!


Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 19:56
SW will get 2 from LSE or the Midlands, whichever are clubs that travel the least mileage to fulfil the SW Fixtures.

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Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 21:03
That puts Bromsgrove in the frame again - they'll be thrilled and one other God knows who - think whoever it is may have to come from SE
Might be wrong but you can't be level transferred if relegated so rules out Bees & Lions
Surely Guernsey could go SW?? Lucs if they lose the play off game?


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 21:15
Nah they won't put Guernsey in SW, there was already a big debate about how they could work the SW teams in N2S so the RFU won't want the aggro (and expense) of shoving Guernsey in SW. 

Birmingham may well even get shafted to SW. The furthest west team in LSE is Guildford and I can't imagine they'd be pleased. Then again, Camberley if they come up might get it too. 


Posted By: Dagfish
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 21:35
Originally posted by Quick Hands Quick Hands wrote:

Dagfish,
Despite playing for several years in the Midlands, Sandbach's home territory is the North.
Yes, that had already been pointed out to me, but thanks anyway. It will be corrected for next week.



Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 21:52
Can't be level transferred if relegated as far as I know (so why did I suggest Guernsey??πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚)


Posted By: Dagfish
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 21:53
As far as I understand it, if either SW or LSE have exactly 14 teams, there will be no direct transfer between the two leagues. This is because the the number of transfers is kept to a minimum, and there is no point creating additional transfers just for the sake of it. This takes priority over the total mileage.

So, if there were exactly 14 LSE teams and SW were short, the transfers would not be sorted by moving (e,g) Bedford into LSE and (e.g.) Guildford into SW. It would be done by moving the closest Midlands club into SW.


Posted By: Dagfish
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 18:04
It's all looking a lot clearer now, with just the play-offs to be decided. 

The numbers at the bottom of the table are the possible number of teams from that region - which gives an indication of where the level transfers may occur. There will be transfers fom North to Midlands, and Midlands to South West. Not sure yet if LSE will require an additional team or not.






Posted By: Old School
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 18:50
Dagfish - Great document as usual, when does this tend to get confirmed?




Posted By: Dagfish
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 08:18
I believe the play-offs will be in two weeks time (28th). Then they'll start looking for volunteers to transfer, and if that's unsuccessful, they will apply the rules to transfer the clubs with the lowest mileage.

I'm guessing it will be around early/mid May.


Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 17:37
Lots of travelling in playoffs Blaydon v Luctonians and Barnstaple v Westclifff.
Sandal 6th placed in North Premier have just beaten Sheffield 6th placed in Midlands Premier quite comprehensively
in Yorkshire Cup Final so my money is on Blaydon to win there.
Any other views on the other playoff.


Posted By: office dweller
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 19:48
Blaydon is away to Luctonians so a long way to travel

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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 20:26
Additionally, I believe Barnstaple are away at Westcliff

Being at home is a massive advantage IMO


Many Raiders fans wanting Barnstaple to win as they enjoy a weekend in Devon

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Posted By: WESTCOMBE RANGER
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 08:25
Nothing wrong with Westcliff Raider, have always found them a real good bunch whenever I've been there.

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Posted By: Bin Licker
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 08:59
Lucs for me. Home advantage big help and they have timed their run well. Not lost in a while.
Whatever happens should be a good day out if Blaydon can find their way to Wales.


Posted By: Friendly prop
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 11:19
Originally posted by Bin Licker Bin Licker wrote:

Lucs for me. Home advantage big help and they have timed their run well. Not lost in a while.
Whatever happens should be a good day out if Blaydon can find their way to Wales.

Herefordshire is still in England as far as I remember BL. Big smile


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Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 12:07
Tulip
I don't think you can base too much on an end of season Yorkshire Cup Final result. Both Sandal & Sheffield were a very poor 6th in their respective divisions (Sandal lost more than they won and Sheff could only muster 66 points which included very few bonus points) and both of whom were light years away from the top 2 or 3. In the "Midlands" Sheffield finished the season very poorly with a raft of injuries to contend with which led to a number of Colts being selected (not necessarily a bad thing!!)
Lucs v Blaydon, Both relegated from Nat2 last season with 53 points so hard to expect there to be more than one score in it but home advantage is massive in these games and I'm going for Lucs
(Ps My predictions have proved erm shall we say "less than reliable" over the season so probably be wrong again)
Lucs are a young, fit and aggressive side but not very bulky so if Blaydon do come out on top I guess it will be because they outmuscled the hosts up front (but then again I know nowt about the relative strengths of Blaydon - can anyone enlighten us??)


Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 12:10
Lucs sound like Blaydon as they aren't a massive side who like to throw the ball around especially on their 3g. They defiantly know the way to the try line, sounds like it should be a belter.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 12:19
Certainly planning on making the trip from Newport to watch the game unless Hurricane Hannah arrives - say Hi to Bill Barrack for me next time you see him. Actually it would be very funny if you WERE Bill Barrack???πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚


Posted By: carlos fandango
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 16:14
Have to fancy Westcliff in the Southern playoff. Not only are they home, but when the wind blows down there a bit of local knowledge could be the difference. They were very strong throughout the season.

Mind you, my picks this year have been decidedly relegation material. 

Enjoy if you're going.


Posted By: Sarfender
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 10:46
The Westcliff pitch runs East West and the wind is currently very strong from the West so will be a major influence.
As one senior member of Westcliff said to me the other day β€œif we win it will be the equivalent of a pub side playing at level 4” I get the impression the players want it more than the management.
Will have to pop along as it could be quite an afternoon.


Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 11:13
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Tulip
I don't think you can base too much on an end of season Yorkshire Cup Final result. Both Sandal & Sheffield were a very poor 6th in their respective divisions (Sandal lost more than they won and Sheff could only muster 66 points which included very few bonus points) and both of whom were light years away from the top 2 or 3. In the "Midlands" Sheffield finished the season very poorly with a raft of injuries to contend with which led to a number of Colts being selected (not necessarily a bad thing!!)
Lucs v Blaydon, Both relegated from Nat2 last season with 53 points so hard to expect there to be more than one score in it but home advantage is massive in these games and I'm going for Lucs
(Ps My predictions have proved erm shall we say "less than reliable" over the season so probably be wrong again)
Lucs are a young, fit and aggressive side but not very bulky so if Blaydon do come out on top I guess it will be because they outmuscled the hosts up front (but then again I know nowt about the relative strengths of Blaydon - can anyone enlighten us??)


Sandal have beaten Blaydon in league
So not light years away in form


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 11:31
Slight exaggeration maybe but rugby is full of surprises and anything can happen on any given Saturday. My own club Newport, for example played 3 clubs who were in Nat2 last season - 6 games, 5 wins and one losing bonus point defeat including home and away wins against Lucs but still didn't do enough to make the top 2, finishing 3rd for the second consecutive season
Will be going to the match and currently blowing a gale so likely to be a lottery in any event


Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 11:50
Yes if you took out Hull and the relegated teams the other
sides in Northern Premier on their day could win.
Injuries and unavailability play a big part.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 15:49
Another statement from the Midlands???
Only one winner here - Lucs 19-3 up having played against the gale first half


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 16:28
Now 31-3
Official attendance 853


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 16:45
Ft 31-17


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 16:45
Brighton beat Colchester

Westcliff beat Barnstaple


Posted By: sidelined
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 16:54
SWRPL:- No joy for Barnstaple (Good luck Westcliff in Nat 2 South).
But a warm welcome back to Launceston who have beaten Old Cents in their play off.

I wonder who'll be the lucky recipient of the level transfer.





Posted By: cobbler
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 17:12
Paviors 33 DK 30, so final midlands team in N3M decided and Pavs being to the East (rare this season) could influence the Northern teams moving across


Posted By: Dagfish
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 18:04
Here is the final situation after all the playoff results.

I make it 17 Northern teams, 12 Midlands, and 13 each in LSE and SW. This would mean:
  • 1 team to transfer from Midlands to LSE - my guess is that this would be Bedford Athletic again.
  • 1 team to transfer from Midlands to SW - I suspect this is most likely to be Bromsgrove
  • 3 teams to transfer from North to Midlands - I can't see any candidates more likely than the same three that transferred this season.
I'll send out another update once all the level transfers are confirmed.




Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 19:36
All of which means????
1 level transfer from Mids Prem to SW
Sadly for Bromsgrove I dont see any other option??


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 19:41
Were Lucs so good or Blaydon very poor - a mixture of both I would suggest. Result never in doubt from minute 1 and Blaydon's 2 late tries really flattered them though probably deserving after 5 hours each way on the coach. Judging purely on today I find it hard to believe that Blaydon are the 2nd best team in Northern Prem or did they just have a bad day at the office or has the pendulum well and truly swung to the Midlands? Dont suppose there'll be anyone to give a Blaydon view but interested to hear from anyone else who was at the match
Well done Lucs and best of luck in Nat2 (North or South??)


Posted By: Dagfish
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 20:11
On second thoughts, I think the transfers from North to Midlands are less clear. Lymm & Wirral must come into the equation as possibilities instead of Doncaster P & Sheffield - particularly now that Scun-thorpe have been promoted. 

And in answer to Thatbloke's question - I suspect Luctonians' fate in Nat 2 may depend on the outcome of the play-off between Canterbury & Chester.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 20:53
Get what you're saying Dagfish but can't see them shuffling the pack when just 1 level transfer will do the job. Could be different of course if Lymm and/or Wirral were to volunteer


Posted By: Pristine Shorts
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 20:54
Reference the comment above about Blaydon’s being second best in North Premier... In my opinion, no they were not - Harrogate were better and Blaydon only pipped them by a point to get into the play-offs.

Luctonians clearly superior, but as all three teams mentioned are semi-professional, it would seem a bit more brass is required for all of them !


Posted By: Dagfish
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 21:22
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Get what you're saying Dagfish but can't see them shuffling the pack when just 1 level transfer will do the job. Could be different of course if Lymm and/or Wirral were to volunteer

All clubs return to their own regions at the end of each season, and next season's transfers are treated as new. There is no concept of last season's transferred clubs remaining in the Midlands.


Posted By: Stinger
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 22:10
Got to feel for Bromsgrove. If transferred their local derby game will be at Newbury!!!



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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 07:50
Originally posted by Dagfish Dagfish wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Get what you're saying Dagfish but can't see them shuffling the pack when just 1 level transfer will do the job. Could be different of course if Lymm and/or Wirral were to volunteer

All clubs return to their own regions at the end of each season, and next season's transfers are treated as new. There is no concept of last season's transferred clubs remaining in the Midlands.

So in LSE, Bedford would have to volunteer again to stay unless Peterborough do too? 


Posted By: Dagfish
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 08:59
My understanding is that Bedford return to Midlands, then the transfer process restarts afresh. They would first ask for volunteers, but if none are forthcoming, it's all worked out on mileage - which would most likely mean that Bedford get transferred for a second season.

In my earlier post I was just saying there is no automatic assumption that clubs stay level-transferred just because they were last season.

However, I did some mileage calculations last night (I have too much spare time on my hands!). As far as North to Midlands is concerned, I think Wirral can be ruled out. Sandbach and Sheffield definitely have the lowest mileages, and it's touch and go between Doncaster and Lymm for the final spot. On the other hand, with Morpeth and Carlisle getting promoted, mileages will increase for clubs at the southern end of Northern Premier. Will that lead to more clubs volunteering to move to Midlands before the mileage calculations are needed?


Posted By: Mixed grill stottie
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 09:35
Originally posted by Pristine Shorts Pristine Shorts wrote:

Reference the comment above about Blaydon’s being second best in North Premier... In my opinion, no they were not - Harrogate were better and Blaydon only pipped them by a point to get into the play-offs.

Luctonians clearly superior, but as all three teams mentioned are semi-professional, it would seem a bit more brass is required for all of them !
 
 
 
Blaydon finished 2 points ahead of Harrogate, but with a massive 245 more points scored than Harrogate.
In my opinion a deserved 2nd place.Clap
 
 
 


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Posted By: Pristine Shorts
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 10:26
Well the League positions don’t lie I suppose - all I’m saying is from what I saw, Harrogate were marginally the better side, at least against us... Hull were streets ahead of both.

Joint favourites for the top spot next Season ? Or will Macclesfield have something to say about that ?


Posted By: Pristine Shorts
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 10:38
Originally posted by Dagfish Dagfish wrote:

My understanding is that Bedford return to Midlands, then the transfer process restarts afresh. They would first ask for volunteers, but if none are forthcoming, it's all worked out on mileage - which would most likely mean that Bedford get transferred for a second season.

In my earlier post I was just saying there is no automatic assumption that clubs stay level-transferred just because they were last season.

However, I did some mileage calculations last night (I have too much spare time on my hands!). As far as North to Midlands is concerned, I think Wirral can be ruled out. Sandbach and Sheffield definitely have the lowest mileages, and it's touch and go between Doncaster and Lymm for the final spot. On the other hand, with Morpeth and Carlisle getting promoted, mileages will increase for clubs at the southern end of Northern Premier. Will that lead to more clubs volunteering to move to Midlands before the mileage calculations are needed?


The mileages to Morpeth and Carlisle May well be high, but they are easy places to get to travelling from the southern end of NP.


Posted By: cobbler
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 11:21
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Macc as potential North to Mids transferees. Could even be more volunteers than needed (as per high number of far North teams now in league), in which case mileage determines which of volunteers would move.

Still a slight Western bias in the Midlands league.


Posted By: cobbler
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 11:36
Originally posted by Stinger Stinger wrote:

Got to feel for Bromsgrove. If transferred their local derby game will be at Newbury!!!

Cost them dearly last time it happened.


Posted By: Dagfish
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 13:27
Originally posted by cobbler cobbler wrote:

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Macc as potential North to Mids transferees.

I understand relegated clubs can't be forced to level transfer. I'm not sure if that also applies to volunteers.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 13:55
Yes they can - which was why Cambridge were worried they might have been sent North. 
Unfortunately for Caldy that is not an issue.

The only clubs that cannot are those who have been level transferred and who then return home without being promoted or relegated, they are guaranteed two seasons at home, unless the are promoted or relegated or volunteer 

It happens so rarely it may as well not be in the regulations.


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Posted By: Athman
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 19:02
I can confirm that Broadstreet, Kettering and Bedford Athletic have been invited to transfer from Midlands to London. I would imagine that following a very positive experience this season Bedford Athletic will be happy to move again.

I would expect a similar process to be underway in the west of the Midlands to find a transferee to the South West Division.

It's an interesting conundrum in the transfer from the North to the Midlands as although three will have to move there are no guarantees it will be the same three as this season. As has been pointed out earlier in the thread moving from North to the Midlands may actually offer closer matches for sides in the south of the region e.g. maybe Sandbach and Macclesfield would happily entertain a Cheshire derby with Burton and Sheffield not that far away either. With Luctonians and probably Bedford Ath out of the league it removes the worst of the travelling south west and south east.




Posted By: Fudgepacker
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 19:10
I can confirm that Bees, Bournville and Bromsgrove have been invited to transfer from Midlands to South-West. Given the amount of travelling involved and reduced RFU travel subsidy for season 2019/20 I cannot see any of the clubs volunteering meaning it will most likely have to be determined on mileage alone.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 19:16
Hi again Athman - long time no speak - you've had a great season after a sticky start - very well done!!
A few Northern clubs were always keen to volunteer for the Midlands as they have seen it as an easier touch but maybe not any more?? Having watched Blaydon get well beaten by Lucs yesterday I think if I were Donny, for example, I would be pushing to return North
As always we'll just have to wait and see


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 19:53
Originally posted by Athman Athman wrote:

I can confirm that Broadstreet, Kettering and Bedford Athletic have been invited to transfer from Midlands to London. I would imagine that following a very positive experience this season Bedford Athletic will be happy to move again.

I would expect a similar process to be underway in the west of the Midlands to find a transferee to the South West Division.

It's an interesting conundrum in the transfer from the North to the Midlands as although three will have to move there are no guarantees it will be the same three as this season. As has been pointed out earlier in the thread moving from North to the Midlands may actually offer closer matches for sides in the south of the region e.g. maybe Sandbach and Macclesfield would happily entertain a Cheshire derby with Burton and Sheffield not that far away either. With Luctonians and probably Bedford Ath out of the league it removes the worst of the travelling south west and south east.

I think the LSE one is a bit of a no-brainer. Why would Broadstreet and Kettering fancy long trips down the M40 and the hassle of an international fixture? A few people I spoke to at Bedford actually said they preferred LSE due to the travel being easier. So even if Broadstreet or Kettering volunteered, if Bedford do too then the mileage rule comes in and Bedford will win every time.  


Posted By: Athman
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 20:01
Yes I agree the Midlands seem to have the edge on the North at the moment with four play off wins in a row (albeit one was Sheffield). So it doesn't look like the easy route it possibly once was but travelling is an issue for everyone these days and oddly enough our travelling would be a lot more in the Midlands League. I don't think we had one journey this year much over two hours in length this season.

Not so good for the South West transferee though and hard on Bromsgrove who have just fought their way back from relegation from the South West league two seasons ago … only to probably be put back there again! 


Posted By: Bin Licker
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2019 at 09:37
Going to SW for any of those 3 is outrageous. We all know what it did for Malvern, Worcester and Bromsgrove. It is not sustainable at this level.  I am afraid I cannot fathom how Bourneville in centre of Brum could even be considered? I know rules is rules and somebody will have the route planners out but common sense should prevail.
Do Lucs go North again?


Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2019 at 09:53
Originally posted by Bin Licker Bin Licker wrote:

Going to SW for any of those 3 is outrageous. We all know what it did for Malvern, Worcester and Bromsgrove. It is not sustainable at this level.  I am afraid I cannot fathom how Bourneville in centre of Brum could even be considered? I know rules is rules and somebody will have the route planners out but common sense should prevail.
Do Lucs go North again?
Unfortunately BL someone has to go.

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Posted By: Leo T Lion
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2019 at 10:09
Must have been some pub team, looking at that result.

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Posted By: Westwood1944
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 12:00
Peterborough Lions have just been invited to volunteer for L & SE premier,not sure why we appear to have a late invitation!

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Posted By: LockNLoader
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 12:17
I know the season has only just ended, but its a long old off season waiting for the new one to arrive but presumably with so many level transfers to consider/organise, there will be a delay in the release of leagues/fixtures for the 2019/2020 season? Usually out around the end of May i recall? 


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Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 12:19
Earlier post from Athman suggests Bedford are happy to stay there so it would all appear to be academic UNLESS they are planning a complete re-shuffle to allow Bromsgrove to stay in the Midlands (having done SW a couple of seasons ago) and shifting the western most club from SE in to SW
Panic stations for a few clubs who weren't expecting it??


Posted By: MaidsBoy
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 12:42
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Earlier post from Athman suggests Bedford are happy to stay there so it would all appear to be academic UNLESS they are planning a complete re-shuffle to allow Bromsgrove to stay in the Midlands (having done SW a couple of seasons ago) and shifting the western most club from SE in to SW
Panic stations for a few clubs who weren't expecting it??


Which would then put Guildford most at risk of a level transfer across I guess?


Posted By: Athman
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 13:14
No the late request to Lions was just an admin error - the document still says one club is required to transfer to London.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 13:21
Get yourselves booked into SE Prem then Athman - save all this stress for the other 3 clubs!!πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
In reply to LockNLoader there shouldn't be a delay to the publication of the fixtures for 19/20 (usually out late May/early June) unless a club that is asked to Level Transfer lodges an appeal which as I think most clubs now realise is a fruitless exercise as no appeal has ever been upheld as far as I am aware


Posted By: Westwood1944
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 14:24
Only stress we're having is our Chairman is looking for volunteers to sail to Guernsey!!! 



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Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 14:55
Flooded in Peterborough is it??πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 20:56
Originally posted by Westwood1944 Westwood1944 wrote:

Only stress we're having is our Chairman is looking for volunteers to sail to Guernsey!!! 


Do they not use planes in Peterborough?

Do the club fancy it then?


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 20:57
Originally posted by MaidsBoy MaidsBoy wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Earlier post from Athman suggests Bedford are happy to stay there so it would all appear to be academic UNLESS they are planning a complete re-shuffle to allow Bromsgrove to stay in the Midlands (having done SW a couple of seasons ago) and shifting the western most club from SE in to SW
Panic stations for a few clubs who weren't expecting it??


Which would then put Guildford most at risk of a level transfer across I guess?

Oh, Mr Sinckler won't like that!


Posted By: NewburyBlue
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 23:00
Think Drybrook is nearer to Bromsgrove(60miles) than Newbury(72miles) but agree lots of travel down the M5 for them and the 3 Berkshire clubs although we have derbies with Maids and Bracknell to look forward to!


Posted By: Dagfish
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 23:37
Originally posted by MaidsBoy MaidsBoy wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Earlier post from Athman suggests Bedford are happy to stay there so it would all appear to be academic UNLESS they are planning a complete re-shuffle to allow Bromsgrove to stay in the Midlands (having done SW a couple of seasons ago) and shifting the western most club from SE in to SW
Panic stations for a few clubs who weren't expecting it??


Which would then put Guildford most at risk of a level transfer across I guess?
Most unlikely I think. My understanding is that they try to do it in the fewest moves possible - and this scenario would create an extra unnecessary move. It doesn't seem fair on them, but I fully expect to see Bromsgrove in SW next season.


Posted By: theroughpro
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 07:33



Posted By: Athman
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 13:19
Bedford Athletic have now formally accepted a place back in London and South East Premier next season.

I presume Bromsgrove will head South West on the basis that they are closest and no one will volunteer. What about the North? Any news on whom is in the mix to transfer down to the Midlands? Given it is you lot causing the problem in the first place! 😊.



Posted By: MaidsBoy
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 13:42
Really harsh on Bromsgrove, got to feel for them.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 13:57
Nothing official about Bromsgrove but I cant see the other 2 mentioned in dispatches (Bees & Bournville) volunteering for the gig
Actually just looking where Bees are (Solihull right at side of Mway) mileage calculations for travel to SW might be very close between them and Bromsgrove - Anyone done the Maths??


Posted By: Bigmal
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 14:17
Exactly why is it the fault of the North gents ? 

Could I suggest that one problem is the payment of players at reg Prem level which means that promoted sides who don't/can't pay come straight back down again.

Also we already have a number of "Northern " sides playing in the Midlands which suggests that having Midlands 1 E and W does not reflect the strength of Midlands rugby. Perhaps three Northern leagues N1E,N1W and N1N is the answer with adjustmnts elsewhere- I agree about Bromsgrove mind.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 14:40
I would agree that Level 6 North is a good deal stronger than Level 6 Midlands and your suggestion might work BigMal (I would guess the 3 winners of the Leagues would go up to Level 5 each year)
However, recent evidence would suggest Level 5 Midlands is higher than Level 5 North (and even more so L&SE stronger than SW)
Certainly in the Midlands the better players gravitate towards a smaller group of clubs - whether that's for money, personal ambition or perhaps both differs from club to Club
Most players in the North, certainly Lancs & Yorks, could choose between several clubs within a reasonable travelling distance. In other words lots of talent but spread too widely amongst a plethora of clubs
A lot also depends on how the Lancashire revolt develops - I guess it will either gather momentum or run out of steam. If it gathers pace could the North really justify (in terms of quality) three divisions at Level 6
It's not the North's fault for having too many half decent teams, its the Midlands and South West that doesn't have enough


Posted By: Bin Licker
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 14:59
[QUOTE=theroughpro]What a farcical situation that a club 12 miles from the centre of Birmingham can be asked to play most of it's away fixtures in Devon and Cornwall. The level of ill feeling towards the RFU grows by the day and their ridiculous regulations. The reality is that it isn't the Midland's that has the problem it is the North so if they want the least number of level transfers they should fly one of the Northern teams out of Manchester so they play in the SW. 

As I said last week common sense should prevail. However rules is rules and the RFU knows best! Sadly I do not have an alternative answer though!


Posted By: Fudgepacker
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 15:18
I can confirm that Bournville has declined the invitation to voluntarily transfer to SW. Can anyone enlighten us as to Bees' decision?


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 16:00
Spoilsports!!!πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Not heard from Bees but I think we can probably guess - having spent last season trawling the whole of the South I doubt they will be jumping at the chance to sample the delights of SW
Dont think there'll be too much to choose between Bees and Bromsgrove so get your calculators out!


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 16:14
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Spoilsports!!!πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Not heard from Bees but I think we can probably guess - having spent last season trawling the whole of the South I doubt they will be jumping at the chance to sample the delights of SW
Dont think there'll be too much to choose between Bees and Bromsgrove so get your calculators out!

According to Google Maps, Bromsgrove is just marginally more towards the south and west. Looks like 1 junction on the A38 is the dividing line between the Midlands and SW


Posted By: NewburyBlue
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 18:06
Perhaps the RFU should promote the narrow losers of the SW play offs Gloucestershire based Old Centralians who actually want to play in the SW Prem!


Posted By: Fudgepacker
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 18:16
A major announcement today by Bees which may impact upon next season  http://www.beesrugby.com/news/club-statement-regarding-the-payment-of-players-ne-2422301.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.beesrugby.com/news/club-statement-regarding-the-payment-of-players-ne-2422301.html


Posted By: NewburyBlue
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 18:19
Perhaps the RFU should promote the narrow losers of the SW play offs Gloucestershire based Old Centralians who actually want to play in the SW Prem!


Posted By: Friendly prop
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 18:27
Doesn't look like they'll want to do a lot of travelling then.

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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 18:38
Originally posted by Fudgepacker Fudgepacker wrote:

I can confirm that Bournville has declined the invitation to voluntarily transfer to SW. Can anyone enlighten us as to Bees' decision?


I believe, as a relegated team B & S are exempt from level transfers - although I suppose they could volunteer?

Having seen the statement on their website, I would imagine it is unlikely

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Posted By: One For The Ditch
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 19:29
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Spoilsports!!!πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Not heard from Bees but I think we can probably guess - having spent last season trawling the whole of the South I doubt they will be jumping at the chance to sample the delights of SW
Dont think there'll be too much to choose between Bees and Bromsgrove so get your calculators out!

Having read this:

http://www.beesrugby.com/news/club-statement-regarding-the-payment-of-players-ne-2422301.html 

I am convinced that Bees will not want any travel costs! Huge amount of money burnt over the recent past from a very supportive benefactor who has had to lift the "draw" bridge.


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 19:50
Originally posted by One For The Ditch One For The Ditch wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Spoilsports!!!πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Not heard from Bees but I think we can probably guess - having spent last season trawling the whole of the South I doubt they will be jumping at the chance to sample the delights of SW
Dont think there'll be too much to choose between Bees and Bromsgrove so get your calculators out!

Having read this:

http://www.beesrugby.com/news/club-statement-regarding-the-payment-of-players-ne-2422301.html 

I am convinced that Bees will not want any travel costs! Huge amount of money burnt over the recent past from a very supportive benefactor who has had to lift the "draw" bridge.

Probably why they did it, if one was being cynical. But I think as has been mentioned above that as they were relegated and Bromsgrove are marginally more south-west, they will be safe from being forced. 


Posted By: Athman
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 22:34
Promotion or relegation has no bearing on Level Transfers. Look at Fudgepacker's post two pages back. He confirmed Bees were one of the clubs asked to volunteer to transfer.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 22:41
I think relegated clubs are exempt from Level transfers but clearly doesn't stop them from being "invited to volunteer" which is slightly different. Fairly sure they can't be transferred against their wishes


Posted By: NewburyBlue
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 23:04
Looking at the geographical make up of next seasons SW Prem there will be even more travelling for any Midlands club compared to when Bromsgrove were last in the division. The likes of Dings, Lydney and old Reds in the 'northern' part of the SW have been replaced with Okehampton, Barnstaple & Exmouth!


Posted By: Fudgepacker
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 09:19
There is no exemption from being forcibly transferred for relegated clubs. The transfer rules apply equally to clubs who have been promoted, relegated or remain in the same league from the previous season. Its says so expressly in the relevant regulation. I hope this helps.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 09:34
No it won't everyone will continue to believe you have to let the man up - sorry that teams are protected from level transfer.


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Posted By: Finkleman
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 13:30
When you consider that the RFU have recently announced a radical reduction in travel expenses - I believe some clubs will receive nowt, diddly squat, Nada - nobody is going to want to travel any distance!


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 13:50
But you can only do that by radically restructuring the leagues and accepting that either there will be a greater disparity in the standards of the sides that a given side will play in the course of a season or you will play fewer sides more often.

And there has been opposition to both of those.


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Posted By: Insignificant Tick
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 13:52
Bizarre isn't it. 

"We're going to make you travel but we're going to cut your money available to do so.Run along now and get on with it "



 


Posted By: sidelined
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 15:37
I suspect that the RFU view is - If you can afford to play players, you can afford to pay for your travel.
I wouldn't be surprised if the RFU removed the 150 mile round trip payment, so that no-one gets a payment until it's a 200 mile round trip.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 11:13
Whilst watching someone service my boiler thought I'd get the calculator out and do some mileage calculations for clubs involved in the "Who goes to South West" debate
Bromsgrove 3674 miles for 13 away games (Round trip - Average 282)
Bournville 3964 (Avge 305)
Bees 3890 (Avge 299)
The difference between Grove & Bees is greater than the 2% tolerance to be judged equal so there would appear to be no escape for Bromsgrove
Based on current allowances paid for long distance travel Bees would also pick up some money on 2 more trips than Grove - double that for what would be paid for clubs coming to them so cost to RFU would be Β£1400/Β£1500 extra which we all know the beleaguered RFU couldn't possibly afford
Which just goes to confirm what we all knew already!!πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Interesting to hear an opinion from Bromsgrove although I dont think anyone from there has ever ventured onto this thread
Boiler done now with no parts required
Happy days!!


Posted By: Friendly prop
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 12:51
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Whilst watching someone service my boiler thought I'd get the calculator out and do some mileage calculations for clubs involved in the "Who goes to South West" debate
Bromsgrove 3674 miles for 13 away games (Round trip - Average 282)
Bournville 3964 (Avge 305)
Bees 3890 (Avge 299)
The difference between Grove & Bees is greater than the 2% tolerance to be judged equal so there would appear to be no escape for Bromsgrove
Based on current allowances paid for long distance travel Bees would also pick up some money on 2 more trips than Grove - double that for what would be paid for clubs coming to them so cost to RFU would be Β£1400/Β£1500 extra which we all know the beleaguered RFU couldn't possibly afford
Which just goes to confirm what we all knew already!!πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Interesting to hear an opinion from Bromsgrove although I dont think anyone from there has ever ventured onto this thread
Boiler done now with no parts required
Happy days!!
There's only one old boiler in that household TB and you could do with some new parts LOL


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Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 14:06
Was waiting for that from you FP - just surprised it took you so long!!πŸ˜†πŸ˜†



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