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Topic: Who goes up and who goes down?
Posted By: Intouch
Subject: Who goes up and who goes down?
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 09:47
Two thirds of the season done and National 1 is giving some great entertainment!

Top 4 have broken away with Roth and Chinnor looking to have fallen away!
Club have had a Jan to forget losing 3 out of 4 games.
The question is who goes up?

At the bottom,wow, 7 points is the gap between the bottom 7 sides,with 10 left to play.
Who is for the drop? you can pretty much say 9th and upwards are now safe.
Caldy having topped the league at one stage look to be in rapid decline, with Stortford putting a few results together to battle their way out of it! We also have a couple of sides who have big brothers with an interest,will they cone to their rescue??





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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 11:41
My feeling it that LS have too much to do . . but other than that it is too close to call , but I could see Caldy getting into trouble and I think Esher might also go . ..  but anyone in bottom 7 is still in the mix.

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Posted By: Alderman
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 14:24
Agree the winner will probably come from the current top four. Ampthill still have OEs and Rosslyn Park to come to Dillingham Park so may be a slight favourite for promotion. Blackheath have no further fixtures with their three rivals, so could come through the middle.

At the bottom I will say Caldy (with great regret) Esher and Sale.


Posted By: Fat Albert
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 14:50
PF
Ampthill 576
Rosslyn Park 547
Old Elthamians 522
Blackheath 488
PA
Old Elthamians 391
Ampthill 398
Rosslyn Park 466
Blackheath 406
PD
Ampthill 178
Old Elthamians 131
Rosslyn Park 81
Blackheath 82


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Posted By: Lineoutboy
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 14:51
Anyone have an idea how the promotion winning team will do heading into the champ? I would presume these teams out of Ampthill OEs Blackheath and Rosslyn would need to recruit heavily?


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 15:15
I think it is a little early to say the 3 relegation sides will come from the current bottom 7.

Cinderford, Plymouth and DMP could yet be involved if they have a bad run.

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Posted By: Alderman
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 15:30
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

I think it is a little early to say the 3 relegation sides will come from the current bottom 7.

Cinderford, Plymouth and DMP could yet be involved if they have a bad run.


True but of late all three have posted some impressive wins


Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 15:50
It is that tight it could go down to the final round of games.
Makes for entertainment but no good for the old ticker.

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Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 18:06
What’s the form of those at the bottom?


Posted By: RJV
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 23:27
Ampthill to win it unfortunately for me as an OE. I just think the size of their pack and their momentum will undo us at theirs, we are still firing but to go their and win in a few weeks could be one step too far and if we do lose, its a double banker in points at the right time of the season. I dont see Rosslyn helping us with a win either!!

In terms of whos best equipped to go up, I think in terms of infrastructure Ampthill and Rosslyn are best equipped as OEs dont have the ground. Even if we go to Blackheaths old ground and go up, we'll be relocating to a new home ground and set up in the biggest year in their history, a tough start to championship life. 

If Im honest, I dont want to go up, I want to come a close second and let someone else go up, I love National 1 rugby, at least another year of it. Championship rugby is just not interesting to me personally. 


Posted By: The Joy of (Level) 7
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 08:52
Are there certain ground/facilities requirements to enter L2?

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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 09:36
Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

Are there certain ground/facilities requirements to enter L2?

A pitch, two sets of posts, and somewhere to hitch a horse.
It's what gives the Prem sides reason and right to sneer at us and constantly plan for ringfencing.

(Slight exaggeration, maybe).

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Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 10:14
In the Championship regulations, there are a number of clauses that imply requirements, that are not directly stated. As an example, the home club has to make avaialble a certain number of seats in the best part of the stand, but there is no specific requirement for there to be a stand or seats.

The specific requirements are with regard to the pitch, the technical areas, and the separation of the pitch from the spectators. All the rest are implied.


Posted By: Fat Albert
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 11:05
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

Are there certain ground/facilities requirements to enter L2?
A pitch, two sets of posts, and somewhere to hitch a horse.
It's what gives the Prem sides reason and right to sneer at us and constantly plan for ring fencing.

(Slight exaggeration, maybe).
 

Embarrassed says he whose club has a ground which makes those still in contention for promotion green with envy, like stands, lights, facilities, concessions, etc Hug 

unlike say Ampthill, where visiting spectators receive GPS co-ordinates and orienteering instructions so they can find the 1stXV pitch having left the clubhouse...  

Promoted sides get 12 months grace to meet any Championship ground requirements, should they ever be enforced...


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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 12:23
Ha. Last time I went to Ampthill I needed GPS coordinates just to get to the ground from the car park. At least the trek from the clubhouse to the pitch is aided by a semi-waymarked path through the fairy dell

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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 14:25
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Ha. Last time I went to Ampthill I needed GPS coordinates just to get to the ground from the car park. At least the trek from the clubhouse to the pitch is aided by a semi-waymarked path through the fairy dell
 
Part of the joys of Co-a-r-s-e Rugby   LOL


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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 15:02
There are ground criteria for each of the divisions but it’s whether they are actually checked. We used to be checked regularly at Rectory Field but cannot remember having any inspections at Well Hall So that’s a few years since any have probably taken place.

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Posted By: The Joy of (Level) 7
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 15:24
Hmmm. Apparently another area of the game where the administration hardly covers itself in glory then!

Many years ago weren't there regulations down to at least L3 regarding floodlights and when they had to be turned on and off? (Not necessarily when it was actually dark!) I remember being told that at Launceston after the lights came on during a bright afternoon. Of course, SSE might have been the league sponsors.



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Posted By: Alderman
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 17:50
Originally posted by RJV RJV wrote:

Ampthill to win it unfortunately for me as an OE. I just think the size of their pack and their momentum will undo us at theirs, we are still firing but to go their and win in a few weeks could be one step too far and if we do lose, its a double banker in points at the right time of the season. I dont see Rosslyn helping us with a win either!!

In terms of whos best equipped to go up, I think in terms of infrastructure Ampthill and Rosslyn are best equipped as OEs dont have the ground. Even if we go to Blackheaths old ground and go up, we'll be relocating to a new home ground and set up in the biggest year in their history, a tough start to championship life. 

If Im honest, I dont want to go up, I want to come a close second and let someone else go up, I love National 1 rugby, at least another year of it. Championship rugby is just not interesting to me personally. 


Agree with this. I know Championship is a stated aim for the OEs and I probably would attend League games but if the meaningless cup competition is perserved with I think attending Blackheath or Rosslyn would be more enjoyable.


Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 12:47
Level 3 requirements were covered by the £75k funding from the RFU e.g. seating and press area

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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 13:32
Originally posted by Lineoutboy Lineoutboy wrote:

Anyone have an idea how the promotion winning team will do heading into the champ? I would presume these teams out of Ampthill OEs Blackheath and Rosslyn would need to recruit heavily?


I can help with some history of how the promoted team has performed since level 2 became the Championship (in years marked * there were additional relegation PO games):

2010* - Bees - 12th Won 0 games out of 22
2011* - Esher - 9th W7
2012* - LS - 9th W6
2013 - Jersey - 11th W6
2014 - Ealing - 12th W5
2015 - Donny - 9th W8
2016 - Ealing - 11th W6
2017 - Richmond - 10th W5/20
2018 - Hartpury - 10th W6

So it is tough to get used to level 2, although the promoted side has always survived for at least one season, with the exception of Ealing in 13/14.

This season's new team, Cov, have W5 D1 out of 13 games and lie 8th, so they are on track to achieve the best finish by a promoted side


Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 13:35
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

Are there certain ground/facilities requirements to enter L2?

A pitch, two sets of posts, and somewhere to hitch a horse.
It's what gives the Prem sides reason and right to sneer at us and constantly plan for ringfencing.

(Slight exaggeration, maybe).


Kimbo's assertion that ground requirements at level 2 aren't onerous is pretty accurate I'd say...

There are criteria - see section 5 'Grounds' in the doc below, but they aren't especially detailed/restrictive

https://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Document/General/General/01/33/10/14/ChampionshipRegulations2018-19_English.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Document/General/General/01/33/10/14/ChampionshipRegulations2018-19_English.pdf


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 14:29
One thing we know is that whoever win Nat 1 this season will have one of the lowest points totals. 
They can only exceed the scores of Richmond with 116 and Jersey with 119.
Though both of those survived.
The scores were to some extent a measure of the other sides.
Jersey was pushed by Ealing and Blackheath, Richmond by Hartpury, Ampthill and Blackheath.

Obviously the 9th March game when Elthamians visit Ampthill is crucial. 






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Posted By: MCNRY
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 10:04
With 5 games to go we have Ampthill in pole position after beating OEs over the weekend. Still twists I am sure with Park having a huge say in who goes up.
Down below it looks all decided but crunch games over the next few weeks with Esher having to play BM, Sale and Students. Cambridge arent safe either! 
All to play for! 


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 10:25
Too true - though if the worrying rumours form Yorkshire prove correct we may have another side spared the drop.


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Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 11:25
I think you’ll find this poster said Caldy down months ago


Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 11:27
Post removed


Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 11:34
Don’t think YC are broke yet, just having to restructure their finances and buy in new cheaper team according to thread on Champ pages

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Posted By: AuntyM
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 12:05
Ampthill & District doing great, great result on Saturday, but may falter at Darlington Mowden Park in their next game.

Not the best of hunting grounds for them.




Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 13:26

Date            Cambs            BM                  Caldy              LS                   Esher

23-Mar        OE (A)            Esher (H)        Roth (A)          Black’th (H)     BM (A)

30-Mar        DMP (H)         PA (A)             OE (H)            Chinnor (A)     Sale (H)

06-Apr         RP (A)            Ampthill (H)     DMP (A)         Esher (H)        LS (A)

13-Apr         BM (H)           Cambs(A)       RP (H)            PA (A)             Chinnor (H)

 27-Apr         Sale (A)          Caldy (H)        BM (A)            Ampthill (H)     Black’th (A)

 

Cambridge (53) - (2 home, 3 Away) the trickiest run in IMHO, looking to score losing bonus points and win at least one. Suffering from lack of TBP during the season

B'ham Moseley (53) - (3 Home, 2 Away) on current form can look to win two if not three of their final games (Esher, Cambridge, Caldy). They control the relegation run in.

Caldy (52) - (2 home, 3 Away) Need to win at least two (if Cambridge win one) as Cambridge have higher number of wins

Loughborough (46) - (3 Home, 2 Away) need to take at least two @ 5 points to survive, Esher match takes on huge importance to avoid wooden spoon

Esher (43) - (2 home, 3 Away) need to win two plus LBP + TBP

27 April is looking to be important at both ends of the table

Prediction

B. Moseley    67

{ Cambridge   57 (position depends on number of wins)

{ Caldy           57

L'boro           53

Esher            46

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 14:13
Good post Foghorn, layingit out allows you to gauge it week by week. For me Caldy have the hardest run in and Esher have a chance to pick up 3 wins when they play the teams that are around them and Chinnor are mid table looking for next year and by the time they arrive at Blackheath it will probably be over.. the problem for most is that the top 4 are all still in it and will probably still be pushing until the last games just in case. I think BM will escape as they are putting a bit of a run together and have 3 games with teams around them 2 at home but who replaces them I wouldn’t like to guess. Brilliant season at both ends of the table which makes this league so compelling

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Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 15:49
If Sale FC have a poor trot they could be dragged back into the mix.  They have Plymouth, Chinnor and Ampthill to face in addition to Esher and Cambridge, and are only 3 points ahead of Cambridge and Mose.


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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 16:03
I think it is fairly safe to say that Sale will be bolstered for the rest of the season

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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 16:24
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

I think it is fairly safe to say that Sale will be bolstered for the rest of the season

I think you may just be right Rabbie!


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Posted By: AuntyM
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2019 at 12:29
Originally posted by AuntyM AuntyM wrote:

Ampthill & District doing great, great result on Saturday, but may falter at Darlington Mowden Park in their next game.

Not the best of hunting grounds for them.




Ampthill's Mark Lavery to comment on Radio about the prospect of playing in the Championship.

It must be all over and decided then. I must have missed that

(It ain't over till the f.. ...y ....s chaps !!)


Posted By: SCC79
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2019 at 15:41
Caldy have a tough run in, I don't think Students have ever won away at Plymouth and Ampthill at home is a huge ask so........
Caldy, Students, Esher favourites to go down? 


Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2019 at 15:53
Mose could open up a 4/5 point buffer if they beat Esher this weekend and depending on the results from Camb & Sale jump up a couple of places. It’s as tight at the bottom as it is at the top.

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Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2019 at 22:08
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

It’s as tight at the bottom as it is at the top.
As the actress said to the Bishop.

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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 11:41

Date             Cambs             BM                   Caldy               LS                    Esher

30-Mar          DMP (H)           PA (A)              OE (H)              Chinnor (A)       Sale (H)

06-Apr          RP (A)              Ampthill (H)       DMP (A)           Esher (H)          LS (A)

13-Apr          BM (H)              Cambs(A)         RP (H)              PA (A)              Chinnor (H)

 27-Apr           Sale (A)             Caldy (H)         BM (A)            Ampthill (H)        Black’th (A)

 

B'ham Moseley (58) - (2 Home, 2 Away) have taken one win with two further likely on current form (Cambridge, Caldy). They still control the relegation run in having both Cambridge and Caldy).

Cambridge (53) - (2 home, 2 Away) I thought the trickiest run in but see Caldy, looking to score losing bonus points and win at least one. Suffering from lack of TBP during the season

Caldy (52) - (2 home, 2 Away) An equally difficult run in as Cambridge, if not worse. Need to win at least two (if Cambridge win one) as Cambridge have higher number of wins

Loughborough (46) - (2 Home, 2 Away) still need to take at least two @ 5 points to survive, Esher match takes on huge importance to avoid wooden spoon

Esher (45) - (2 home, 2 Away) need to win two (LS, Sale) plus LBP + TBP

27 April is looking to be important at both ends of the table. Sale and Cinderford looking safer at the bottom, the top is anyone’s guess ……………..go Amps (if only to wind up The Championship!!) but Leicester Loughborough on 27th could be an issue

Prediction

B. Moseley    68

Cambridge    56

Caldy            55

L'boro           53

Esher            51



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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 12:20
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

but Leicester Loughborough on 27th could be an issue

Could 'Leicester' be relegated twice this season?


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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 15:04
Have to defend Luffbra not all their EAPs are baby tigers

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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 15:34
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

Have to defend Luffbra not all their EAPs are baby tigers
 
I know, 'twas just a childish reference - now sitting on naughty step  Ouch


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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 17:56
Surprised they only had 5 on Saturday but they certainly stood out.

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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 14:37

Date             Cambs             BM                   Caldy               LS                    Esher

06-Apr          RP (A)              Ampthill (H)       DMP (A)           Esher (H)          LS (A)

13-Apr          BM (H)              Cambs(A)         RP (H)              PA (A)              Chinnor (H)

 27-Apr          Sale (A)             Caldy (H)         BM (A)              Ampthill (H)      Black’th (A)

 

B'ham Moseley (59) - (2 Home, 1 Away) have taken one win with two further likely on current form (Cambridge, Caldy). They still control the relegation run in having both Cambridge and Caldy).

Cambridge (58) - (1 home, 2 Away) Much needed win on Saturday, still; looking to score losing bonus points and win another. Sale is now a huge match. Suffering from lack of TBP during the season.

Caldy (52) - (1 home, 2 Away) Tricky run in on the road. I need to check the relegation/points criteria - I believe total points, then wins, then tries - not sure where draws come in!!

Loughborough (51) - (2 Home, 1 Away) Two home and some impressive recent form - they may pull it off and we will all discuss the benefits of state funding and dual reg!

Esher (50) - (1 home, 2 Away) much needed win at Sale  but three unhelpful fixtures away with 2 Away

Sale's loss means they may come into the reckoning (63 with two tr) and the top is still anyone’s guess ……………..amazing turnaround by Ampthill but a dropped bonus point may bite. Go Amps (if only to wind up The Championship!!)

Prediction

B. Moseley    67

Cambridge    60

L'boro           60 - cannot beat Cambridge on # wins so must get match points

Caldy            57

Esher            56



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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 15:01
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

 Go Amps (if only to wind up The Championship!!)


I would be more than happy for the Amps to come up, anything beats visiting another London ground, so it will definitely not wind me up. 

I would have been happier if Rotherham had a chance of coming back up - I loved those away days.


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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 15:16
Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

I would be more than happy for the Amps to come up, anything beats visiting another London ground, so it will definitely not wind me up.
 
I think their ground is not what one might want! They are a community rugby club........ bit like Championship -> Premiership (urinals must be 30cm apart, not 12")  WinkWink


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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 20:26
Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:



<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt 4.65pt; tab-stops: 64.65pt 135.65pt 206.65pt 277.65pt 348.65pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"> Go Amps (if only to wind up The Championship!!)</span>



I would be more than happy for the Amps to come up, anything beats visiting another London ground, so it will definitely not wind me up. 

I would have been happier if Rotherham had a chance of coming back up - I loved those away days.

Nor me. MK is a nice easy away day from Cov (assuming we stay up of course).

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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 07:45
Kimbo - I do not see Cov getting relegated this season so I think you can plan your trip for next season. Your run in is nowhere near as grim as Richmond and Hartpury.....well apart from facing us at Castle Park

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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 08:25
No, nor me CPK. You should see/hear the negativity around some of the supporters though

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Posted By: vanwilder
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 07:03
This may  amount to nothing but Secure Trading (essentially the money behind Old Ethamians) are being investigated, and their players haven't been paid for 3 weeks. 


Posted By: Pistacio
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 08:00
have you got a source for that news about Secure Trading? Doesn't seem to be anything out there. 


Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 09:22
I can't see any reference on any news feeds to Secure Trading being investigated, as a PGP anything like this I would expect to be big news.

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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 12:47
Originally posted by vanwilder vanwilder wrote:

This may amount to nothing but Secure Trading (essentially the money behind Old Ethamians) are being investigated, and their players haven't been paid for 3 weeks. 

Is this in relation to SecureTrading (04591066), part of SecureTrading  Group (04586150), part of UC group (Co No 03762366) of 40 Bank Street, London, E14 5NR?

Nothing implied by this question but it would be inappropriate to look at the financials of the wrong company at Companies House or elsewhere.

Just seen club website and it is ...... happy to share information in confidence by PM only


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Posted By: vanwilder
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 14:24
Originally posted by Pistacio Pistacio wrote:

have you got a source for that news about Secure Trading? Doesn't seem to be anything out there. 

My source is one of the players with whom I work. I will try and find out more 


Posted By: Pistacio
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 14:37
No need. i don't take any pleasure in seeing a club fold. Serious if people aren't getting paid , will be interesting to see what measures the rfu take 


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 15:42
In summary

If a National 1 club were to suffer an insolvency event and are unable to pay their creditors in full within 6 weeks.

They suffer a 38 point deduction that season.
If that has no effect - either bacuase they stay up, as OEs probably would, or bacause they would have been relegated anyway - then there is a deduction of 23 points the next season.

They have to comply with the salary cap of £300k

This also applies to a successor club taking over the assets of the existing club.

If they cannot fulfil their fixtures and inform the RFU of this before June 1st then one fewer club is releagated.
If this occurs after June 1st - then the next season has 15 clubs.

Hope all is well at OEs and everyone gets the money owed.






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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 16:02
Could be that they are monthly paid so wouldn’t be paid in 3 weeks be careful as what day Monday was

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Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 16:03
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

In summary

If a National 1 club were to suffer an insolvency event and are unable to pay their creditors in full within 6 weeks.

They suffer a 38 point deduction that season.
If that has no effect - either because they stay up, as OEs probably would, or because they would have been relegated anyway - then there is a deduction of 23 points the next season.

They have to comply with the salary cap of £300k

This also applies to a successor club taking over the assets of the existing club.

If they cannot fulfil their fixtures and inform the RFU of this before June 1st then one fewer club is relegated.
If this occurs after June 1st - then the next season has 15 clubs.

Hope all is well at OEs and everyone gets the money owed. 
It would be interesting to know if in the rules, there is position on what happens to a club if they just don't pay players as opposed to going into insolvency?


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 16:32
The RFU can treat falure to pay rugby creditors as an insolvency event - it does not have to be formal insolvency.

The club needs to provide accurate financial statements to the RFU at the end of the season.

If the RFU has concerns over the financial state of a club at any time it can fully audit the club.
Failure to comply or providing false information carries unlimited penalty.




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Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 16:54
Escalating quickly for a Chinese whisper.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 17:27
Agreed - and I hope it is completely unfounded.


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Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 17:58
Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Escalating quickly for a Chinese whisper.
I was not implying in anyway that OEs are not paying their players, just heard rumours a team in N2S owe their players going back to Xmas. I have no proof and therefore would not substantiate it.

I also do not believe Secure Trading are in any financial issues.


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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 22:56
2 South?

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Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 15:04
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

2 South?
National 2 South!!

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Posted By: The Joy of (Level) 7
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 15:11
Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

2 South?
National 2 South!!

OEs are in N1 is, I think, the point being made.

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Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 15:59


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 16:19
I think there are rumours about more than one club.




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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 21:09
Send reinforcements, we're going to advance (pass it on) ...........
Confused
Sleepy
Shocked
Clap
Cool
Send three and fourpence we're going to a dance


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Posted By: WESTCOMBE RANGER
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 23:55
There seems to be some Richard Skull lurking under the bridges out there.

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Posted By: PurpleHaze
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2019 at 18:55
Oh the joys of paying players(or not as the case may be). At least Loughborough Students don't have that problem 🤣😉🙃


Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 12:48

Date             Cambs             BM                   Caldy               LS                    Esher

13-Apr          BM (H)              Cambs(A)        RP (H)              PA (A)              Chinnor (H)

 27-Apr          Sale (A)             Caldy (H)         BM (A)              Ampthill (H)      Black’th (A)

 

B'ham Moseley (60) - (1 Home, 1 Away) They still control the relegation run in having both Cambridge and Caldy.

Cambridge (58) - (1 home, 1 Away) Heartbreaker on Saturday 28-25 up with 10 to go, looking to score losing bonus points and at least one win. Sale is now a huge match. Suffering from lack of TBP during the season.

Caldy (56) - (1 home, 1 Away) Good win on Saturday.

Loughborough (56) - (1 Home, 1 Away) Impressive recent form - no further comment - must beat PA to survive

Esher (51) - (1 home, 1 Away) suffered at hands of students

 

Prediction

B. Moseley    69

Cambridge    61

L'boro           61 - cannot beat Cambridge on # wins so must win one + bonus

Caldy            58

Esher            56



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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 17:52
Is there a reason LS usually seem to finish the season well?

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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 16:44
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Is there a reason LS usually seem to finish the season well?


Perhaps the same reason as Cinderford were always strong finishers, end of Premiership "A" league season, but t'would be cynical to think such. Wink 


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Posted By: Fat Albert
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 19:01
After Week 29 

Ampthill need 1 pt from their last game at Loughborough to secure the title.

I believe that other than points deductions for whatever reason, Esher are relegated since even if they win their last game they can't get more wins than Caldy.

Disappointingly for Ampthill, Loughborough can escape if Caldy get no more points and the Students beat Ampthill 5-0 on the 27th, I wonder how many DRs they'll play... Double interest for Tigers since Amps not being promoted will avoid 'going down to the woods' next season should Tigers be relegated.

Cambridge can still surpass Caldy with a win if Caldy get no bonus points at Blackheath


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Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 19:08
No I think students are down. In your scenario Caldy will have won .ore games (?)


Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 19:19
I can assure you Caldy will get nothing at Blackheath next game but if Big Eddie turns up at Well Hall I will buy him beer all day 😬

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Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 19:22
Lol


Posted By: Fake_Shemp
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 19:34
Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

After Week 29 

Ampthill need 1 pt from their last game at Loughborough to secure the title.

I believe that other than points deductions for whatever reason, Esher are relegated since even if they win their last game they can't get more wins than Caldy.

Disappointingly for Ampthill, Loughborough can escape if Caldy get no more points and the Students beat Ampthill 5-0 on the 27th, I wonder how many DRs they'll play... Double interest for Tigers since Amps not being promoted will avoid 'going down to the woods' next season should Tigers be relegated.

Cambridge can still surpass Caldy with a win if Caldy get no bonus points at Blackheath
I think the title is Ampthill's unless they get hammered at Loughborough and Old Elthamians win handsomely, overturning a 91 points difference deficit!

I can't see Ampthill losing, meaning Loughborough Students and Esher will be relegated.

The games are so unpredictable that I currently couldn't pick between Caldy and Cambridge as both are capable of winning well on the road or losing to two teams who will be very keen to put on a good performance in the last home game of the season, sending their supporters home happy. However, as Caldy have a two point advantage, I would make them favourites to stay up.


Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 19:40
Caldy are at Moseley.

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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 19:49
Amps up . . and should be confident of staying up given the mess at YC. Caldy will stay up beating Moseley.

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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 19:57
Originally posted by Fake_Shemp Fake_Shemp wrote:


I think the title is Ampthill's unless they get hammered at Loughborough and Old Elthamians win handsomely, overturning a 91 points difference deficit!



If OE get 5 pts and Amps zero, then OE would take the title on wins (23/22). Pts diff won't come into it. It would be quite a turn-up if this scenario came to pass...


Posted By: Intouch
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 21:05
Read the league rules before you make silly posts.



Posted By: Intouch
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 21:09
Originally posted by Fake_Shemp Fake_Shemp wrote:

Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

After Week 29 

Ampthill need 1 pt from their last game at Loughborough to secure the title.

I believe that other than points deductions for whatever reason, Esher are relegated since even if they win their last game they can't get more wins than Caldy.

Disappointingly for Ampthill, Loughborough can escape if Caldy get no more points and the Students beat Ampthill 5-0 on the 27th, I wonder how many DRs they'll play... Double interest for Tigers since Amps not being promoted will avoid 'going down to the woods' next season should Tigers be relegated.

Cambridge can still surpass Caldy with a win if Caldy get no bonus points at Blackheath
I think the title is Ampthill's unless they get hammered at Loughborough and Old Elthamians win handsomely, overturning a 91 points difference deficit!

I can't see Ampthill losing, meaning Loughborough Students and Esher will be relegated.

The games are so unpredictable that I currently couldn't pick between Caldy and Cambridge as both are capable of winning well on the road or losing to two teams who will be very keen to put on a good performance in the last home game of the season, sending their supporters home happy. However, as Caldy have a two point advantage, I would make them favourites to stay up.


Read the rules buddy!!


Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 21:20
Ah, BBC tables have students on 56. NCA have them as 57. Now that makes a difference......


Posted By: Alderman
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 22:36
Originally posted by Intouch Intouch wrote:

Read the league rules before you make silly posts.



Yes OEs have benefitted from this rule before when securing a play off spot in N2S that eventually led to promotion. They had an inferior scoring differential to Chinnor and had lost both games to them but were deemed to be ahead because of games won.


Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 09:16
A good bonus point victory for Caldy yesterday which means by my reckoning every club from Birmingham Moseley down is still in with a chance of going down or staying up but only Mosley and Caldy have it in their own hands.

Birmingham Moseley on 64 points with 10 wins need a point from their game against Caldy to be safe because a bonus point win for Cambridge away at Sale would overhaul BM on the number of wins rule

Caldy on 61 points with 11 wins need a win at BM to be safe because any other result can see them overhauled by Cambridge

If Cambridge on 59 points with 11 wins were to lose at Sale but pick up two losing bonus points and Caldy got no points at BM then Cambridge would leap frog Caldy by virtue of a better points difference (the teams then being tied on the same number of 11 wins)

If the Students on 57 points with 8 wins were to get a bonus point win against Ampthill they can overtake Caldy if other results go in their favour

If Esher on 56 points with 10 wins were to get a bonus point win away against Blackheath and other results were to go in their favour they could overhaul Caldy by virtue of their better points difference (the teams then being tied on the same number of 11 wins)

It will be an amazing final day with 4 matches all being pivotal to who goes down. 
However there is one important factor that may be decisive. Only two matches Birmingham Mosley v Caldy and the Students v Ampthill are games where both sides have something to play for.

It will be tense 


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Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 09:30
Come on Caldy. Lets do it for the North!

Best of luck to BE and the Club.

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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 09:43
Um, Mosley was a fascist, Moseley are a rugby club

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Posted By: MotuIgwok
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 09:48
RFU & NCA tables need an amendment. Loughborough only have 56 points (They didn't get a BP against Albion yesterday) 

This means the students will be relegated.


Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 10:08
if the score is correct  ie 26  20  they will pick up one point for finishing  less than 7 points behind


Posted By: B Cap
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 10:22
Albion report score as 29-20
If true - no BP for boro and they can’t overtake Caldy


Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 10:45
Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Um, Mosley was a fascist, Moseley are a rugby club

Many apologies Moseley it is...............can't be upsetting Moseley ahead of the crucial match


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Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 10:59
Originally posted by B Cap B Cap wrote:

Albion report score as 29-20
If true - no BP for boro and they can’t overtake Caldy

That is my understanding as no try BP for students


Posted By: Longtime
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 11:14
Originally posted by MotuIgwok MotuIgwok wrote:

RFU & NCA tables need an amendment. Loughborough only have 56 points (They didn't get a BP against Albion yesterday) 

This means the students will be relegated.
Not only are the students going to be relegated, but Hull Ionians are to be promoted.


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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 11:29
Plymouth Albion score was 29 so no bonus point for Students I am not sure how the error occurred
 


Posted By: Albionlass
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 11:38
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

Plymouth Albion score was 29 so no bonus point for Students I am not sure how the error occurred


Look at the Bleddy score board  Wink . 16 minutes and 19 seconds of overtime playedAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry . where that overtime came from must be the Refs watch got stuck ????????????????
 


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Posted By: Camera Shake
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 12:00
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Birmingham Moseley on 64 points with 10 wins need a point from their game against Caldy to be safe because a bonus point win for Cambridge away at Sale would overhaul BM on the number of wins rule

Caldy on 61 points with 11 wins need a win at BM to be safe because any other result can see them overhauled by Cambridge

It will be tense 


I personally think it will be very tense - maybe even extremely tense ........Ouch


Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 12:14
Originally posted by Longtime Longtime wrote:

Originally posted by MotuIgwok MotuIgwok wrote:

RFU & NCA tables need an amendment. Loughborough only have 56 points (They didn't get a BP against Albion yesterday) 

This means the students will be relegated.

Not only are the students going to be relegated, but Hull Ionians are to be promoted.
.      There is a delicious irony in that

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''The future isn't what it used to be''


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 12:38
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Originally posted by Longtime Longtime wrote:

Originally posted by MotuIgwok MotuIgwok wrote:

RFU & NCA tables need an amendment. Loughborough only have 56 points (They didn't get a BP against Albion yesterday) 

This means the students will be relegated.

Not only are the students going to be relegated, but Hull Ionians are to be promoted.
.      There is a delicious irony in that


Yes there is. Nice.

The Students would and should have been relegated last season but for Nigel Melville's assistance but eventually, we all get what we deserve.

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Posted By: Full Bodied Red
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 12:43
"Delicious irony" and perhaps a little karma?



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