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Topic: 2018-2019 Nat2S Status
Posted By: Darth Raider
Subject: 2018-2019 Nat2S Status
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 21:19
Originally posted by sweatysock sweatysock wrote:

Just a general comment on this site - I do enjoy reading people's thoughts on the games they have watched that day , as well as more general views on how the league is developing at both ends of the table - seems to have been a reduction in these sort of posts this season

Oh go on then......let's see if anybody else wants to contribute.

As other posters have implied.....it looks highly likely that the 'new improved' Rams will win the league this year.  My personal belief is that they could have done it with last season's squad, but, whisper it softly, they seem to have recruited in the backs and others, in addition to the estimable Mr Rossiter, are chalking up tries.  That said, they aleady have 6 PT's and their forwards are still outscoring their backs.....with....as per usual the (Raiders-trained) Ben Henderson, getting on the back of a lot of rolling mauls.

Otherwise.....I have seen OA's, Henley, Redruth and Canterbury.  Just my opinion as ever, but I don't think any of these are ready for Nat1.  Indeed, I suspect that whoever comes second in this league this year, may lose at least 10 games and subsequently, be likely to face an away playoff.

As such, it is very difficult to predict who might take this place this year....the good thing is that it will be a hell of a scrap and help maintain interest until, I suspect, the last game. 

Bets on who gets this anyone ?  

As an extension of the above.....there are not too many teams that you might consider mid-table sides this year......even those below halfway could yet mount a promotion challenge.
In direct contrast to last year, if there is one team I think are under-performing....it is TJ's.  Still great defensively but despite more recruitment,  finding TBP's and wins hard to come by ?  They may yet improve. 

The situation at the bottom is yet again, going to be quite intense.  Guernsey, Old Reds and Birmingham, all look pretty good sides and often, hard to beat, with the first two racking up bonus points from tightly contested games.  
Also, the Wild Geese have perked up again after an infusion of young (and large) talent.  Clifton are having another injury crisis and mat get dragged into this.  In addition, BSE are strangely in apparent freefall.  You would think that they have too much in terms of playing talent to get dragged into  relegation battle.....indeed, I think they may have been targeting promotion ?  But nobody is immune in this tough league.  They need to shape up quickly or get drawn in Confused.

Lastly.....my own lot.....Raiders.   WE have played the greater part of the season so far with a squad, savagely depleted by injury.  I'm sure we are not alone in that.  However, it is my belief that if we get missing (key) players back,  I think that perhaps, Rams away, is the only game we could not win.  Watch out if we do TongueWink  We have a multitude of homegrown youngsters and a real cutting edge in attack (IMO).

COME ON RAIDERS !!!!!!1 

 

 





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Posted By: Old Hooker
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2018 at 11:18
The scores on the prediction table are a clue to the competitiveness of this league, so many surprises. Surely Taunton can no longer be considered a cert for promotion, I do not think Redruth want to go up hence some of their odd results. Reds seem week in week out to be consistent. Early days I know but LIWG don't seem to have the squad to stay up as t the other 2 relegation teams any one from any of Bury St Eds who have lost their coach and below. As for my lot top 5 with the way we can play attacking rugby even with players missing
Famous last wordsWinkWink


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Posted By: CelsusLasonIreAnser
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2018 at 18:38
I'd say Rams look the clear favourites to win the league. However, not sure how they will cope in Nat 1, fear poorly. Their pack will compete but their backs are still distinctly average - and, sensibly, rarely used. Darth are you Rossiter's step dad and/or press officer? Mentioned him several times and I can't say he's in the top 10 wings in this league...:s??

 

At the bottom of the table I do love a romantic fight back but LIWG will go. As will Old Reds. Seems like they are the new 'oooo so close' team. Other than that my pick will be slightly left field and I am going to say Clifton. With the injuries they have and rumours of issues at the top of the food chain it could all fall apart before too long.

 

Barnes seem to have shaken off their yoyo tag this year (hopefully). I was at the game saturday and it was quite the spectacle of attacks. I'd say the combined age of the two 15's could well be the highest in Nat2 S history!!! Although Kingdom does look much better for it than O’Toole - both in ability and looks. 



Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2018 at 20:29
There you go Sweaty......24hrs....over 300 views but only two sets of opinions.  It seems that, particularly in the South.....posters are very reluctant to have an exchange of views or make any comment at all.  It is a shame as it is a chance for all of us to learn more about our league.

It does though, seem to have drawn out a Barnes fan.....Celsusetc......tell me Celsus.....are you the chap with the dog Wink

I will apologise at this point for not making mention of either Dings or the ex-yo-yo Barnes.  It is a tough league to come into and both seem to be making a fine fist of it so far.  Initially (I have not seen either team play so far) on the back of outstanding defence, but Barnes seemed to take another step forward on Saturday with their 50pt performance against a very unpredictable Titans side.  V Well done all the same.

Barring savage injuries, both appear for now to be solid mid-table sides.

Celsus.....I think Rossiter is a decent winger but much of what I have said in the past was intended as jocular banter......Rams were such a bizarrely forwards oriented side....albeit playing to their strengths and very very good at it.  When you batter through the middle with such consistency as Rams do,  you often suck defences in and create big overlaps.  I suspect that Rossiter has been a beneficiary of good team play in this manner, on occasion.  WE are not related and if we were, he might be my grandson. Big smile 

Barnes visit the Rugby Park next up......will you be there ?  There is no goose sh*t but we will still make you very welcome. 


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2018 at 22:45
I have a feeling BSE might be on the slide, they seem to have run out of money - judging by the recent decision to part company with their DoR / head coach. They are certainly under achieving IMO.

After last year's good finish it appears TJs are struggling a little this term, despite a couple of high profile signings - not sure why? Second season syndrome perhaps?

Will Guernsey manage enough wins at home to stay up? They don't seem to travel too well.

LIWG looked too good to go down on their visit to Rugby Park, Old Reds seem to pick up points but again can they win enough games?

As for the top, I predicted Rams would win before the season started and see no reason to change that view.

Henley are on an impressive run and may well finish second - but will they do well enough to have a home play-off?

Barnes have had several recent good results with Saturday's big win the latest, as you say they may well get rid of the yo-yo tag.

Has Taunton's normal good start hit the buffers as usual as we approach Christmas?

Redruth were abysmal at Rugby Park, but are normally difficult to beat at home and should be comfortable.

Dings have made a good start to the season - have they an advantage playing on a 3G pitch?

Clifton have lost a few recently, apparently they are suffering with injuries at present.

B&S - I know nothing about, having missed their defeat at Rugby Park due to holidays.

I wasn't overly impressed with OAs the other week - they were very lucky to inflict Worthing's first home defeat of the season but they will probably finish in the top half as will Canterbury who also win enough home games to stay out of trouble.

As for Worthing, they should probably win enough games to finish mid-table.




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Posted By: The Hawks
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2018 at 23:56
Evening Gents,
As I have been to only two games this season, Taunton & Redruth away, Henley are a much improved side this season, especially the pack & defence. The only game we have been outplayed was the second half at Rams, are only home defeat was against TJ’s with the help of the boot of Hawks favourite Will Ribinson. Taunton & Rams still got to come to Henley, early days yet, plenty to play for!!

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Posted By: honestinjun
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 07:23
Having returned to the league this season it seems to me that the playing field 10 games in is much more level than the last time Barnes were in it when the three money sides of Stortford, Chinnor and OE’s all being predictably top three. Whilst Rams seem everyone’s favourite to win the league, if you can nullify their pack they are beatable. Henley appear to be getting stronger as the season progresses, whilst Canterbury will be there or there about.
At the bottom, well it looks like LIWG and Birmingham are stuck in the mud but a cou0ke of wins on the bounce (like us) and they will be mid table. Whilst ORs are in the bottom three now, they were one of the most impressive sides to visit Barn Elms this season and I think they and Guernsey are both more than capable of scrabbling wins and bonus points here and there. The side that looks in trouble right now is Bury, not sur why, but just as winning becomes a habit so does losing and they need to win soon to halt their slide. It is tough to climb out of that bottom three when you get there, we know! As for Barnes, well it far too early to say we have shrugged off the yo-yo tag, but we have had a good run of late and we all know that that is what it is all about, along with having a deep squad and luck with injuries. We still have several players out or away so fingers crossed they will come back and the current squad stay healthy for the rest of the year. If we reach January in the same position then I will feel more confident of a strong finish as our backs enjoy running on the the harder grounds. Our next game against Worthing at Rugby Road will be tough but we will give it a crack of course!




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Posted By: FairmileHawk
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 14:39
Henley fan here, been to all bar one home game this year. I'd say that last weekend's score v Clifton was quite unrepresentative, and to be brutally honest Clifton was probably one of the worst sides I've seen in recent history at DL in terms of fitness and the execution of basics. I think that there were perhaps 5 Clifton line out overthrows, plus a kickoff that didn't go 10, and in the first half I can't remember Clifton having possession in Henley's half for more than one phase (which was a line out overthrow that went straight to Henley). That being said there were a couple of Henley tries that were fairly lucky. Hopefully it was just an off day, otherwise I fear for them. 

With regards to Henley it looks like we have a much stronger pack than last year, and hence should fare quite well over the winter. With the new clubhouse seemingly leading to a much busier bar (the entire clubhouse was packed for the second half of the England game) it looks like things are rosy.

Out of interest, do we know which sides in the division are being bankrolled externally? I assume that 'the Rams' are? It could be interesting next year if Nat 1 have all of Chinnor, Reading, and Henley in.


Posted By: Jester10
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 16:45
Originally posted by FairmileHawk FairmileHawk wrote:


Out of interest, do we know which sides in the division are being bankrolled externally? I assume that 'the Rams' are? It could be interesting next year if Nat 1 have all of Chinnor, Reading, and Henley in.

What do you mean by "Being bankrolled externally?" If you mean via sponsorship then I'd imagine all clubs rely upon that to a greater or lesser degree. 
 

Pretty unlikely that Reading will be in Nat 1 next season Smile 


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Posted By: Surreyben
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 17:09
Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:


Pretty unlikely that Reading will be in Nat 1 next season Smile 
 
Given they are fifteen points adrift of the leaders, I'd say it's also unlikely that Reading will get promotion from Southern Counties North either!


Posted By: Jester10
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 13:05
Originally posted by Surreyben Surreyben wrote:

Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:


Pretty unlikely that Reading will be in Nat 1 next season Smile 
 
Given they are fifteen points adrift of the leaders, I'd say it's also unlikely that Reading will get promotion from Southern Counties North either!

Quite a sad state of affairs for a club with a great history, almost mirrors the decline of Lydney in more recent seasons. 


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Posted By: Hectors House
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 16:51
See a few comments here about Bury’s state of affairs....
The link below will tell you all you need to know, don’t be fooled by what you see when you arrive at the club, fantastic facilities. Run by an extraordinary number of highly committed volunteers, some with good links into the rugby world.
Not exposed to being dependent on a couple of big money men, funds come from well over a hundred sponsors and lots of community events. Currently going through a couple of small set backs, including more injuries than normal, during a long robust journey.
Predicting it will come good again around Christmas.
Rest of league is very difficult to predict, so competitive, my money is on the Rams, the guys running that team have been there a good while and do a great job.

https://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/sport/bury-chief-opens-up-on-coach-s-exit-9048694/


Posted By: Wigwam
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 17:17
[QUOTE=honestinjun] Having returned to the league this season it seems to me that the playing field 10 games in is much more level than the last time Barnes were in it when the three money sides of Stortford, Chinnor and OE’s all being predictably top three.

I don’t believe you can class BS a “money side”
No idea what they pay now, but based upon discussions I had with one of their aligados, in their promotion season the wages were nothing special and interestingly the whole matchday squad got the same money.
More like a well coached side with a generation of players with above average ability and of course good connections to higher grade clubs.

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Posted By: FairmileHawk
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 18:02
Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:

Originally posted by FairmileHawk FairmileHawk wrote:


Out of interest, do we know which sides in the division are being bankrolled externally? I assume that 'the Rams' are? It could be interesting next year if Nat 1 have all of Chinnor, Reading, and Henley in.

What do you mean by "Being bankrolled externally?" If you mean via sponsorship then I'd imagine all clubs rely upon that to a greater or lesser degree. 
 

Pretty unlikely that Reading will be in Nat 1 next season Smile 

What I meant by that was which clubs sourced a very large percentage of their income from one or two far above market value external sponsorships, i.e. a sugar daddy. Much like Chinnor last year.

And you're right, for some reason I had just assumed that 'The Rams' were an offshoot of Reading RFC, not Redingensians. 





Posted By: Jester10
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 18:23
Originally posted by FairmileHawk FairmileHawk wrote:

Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:

Originally posted by FairmileHawk FairmileHawk wrote:


Out of interest, do we know which sides in the division are being bankrolled externally? I assume that 'the Rams' are? It could be interesting next year if Nat 1 have all of Chinnor, Reading, and Henley in.

What do you mean by "Being bankrolled externally?" If you mean via sponsorship then I'd imagine all clubs rely upon that to a greater or lesser degree. 
 

Pretty unlikely that Reading will be in Nat 1 next season Smile 

What I meant by that was which clubs sourced a very large percentage of their income from one or two far above market value external sponsorships, i.e. a sugar daddy. Much like Chinnor last year.

And you're right, for some reason I had just assumed that 'The Rams' were an offshoot of Reading RFC, not Redingensians. 




I don't know enough to comment about the funding of any side in this league, or any other league for that matter. 

Rams aren't an off shoot of Redingensians, they are the re-branded name. 


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Posted By: Surreyben
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 09:59
Its an easy mistake to make though given "The Rams" gives no geographical clue to where the club come from.


Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 13:02
Originally posted by Surreyben Surreyben wrote:

Its an easy mistake to make though given "The Rams" gives no geographical clue to where the club come from.

Ram is in Serbia


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Posted By: Surreyben
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2018 at 18:17
Ah - the RFU have parachuted in a new overseas club to the National Leagues to join Jersey and Guernsey. That explains it! ;-)


Posted By: NeilSKN
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 08:50
Jester10, do you need to take the 2nd R out of your logo now?


Posted By: Jester10
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 11:04
Originally posted by NeilSKN NeilSKN wrote:

Jester10, do you need to take the 2nd R out of your logo now?
 
Ha ha, good one, it's still ok, it's Rams Rugby.


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Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 20:55
It is a good thing that the green-eyed-monsters on this site are less prevalent of late.   Much of that may be due to the departure to fields-anew of Chinnor.....the last object of envy in our league.  Just to repeat myself.....there are several revenue streams at all of our clubs.  In almost every case,these streams are supported by our unpaid volunteers.
When one set of volunteers outperforms another, I think it inappropriate to label them as some sort of rich-boys.

Hard work and the success it sometimes brings.....even if it is only short term, are to be lauded IMO.

I confess that it seems to be true, that the teams with the superior infrastructure seem to be the most successful on the park as well, but we are playing a semi-professional game here so financial success is to my mind, an integral part of overall team success ?  WE are a club are we not???  and what happens 0n the field has ever been a reflection of what happens off of it ?

So best of luck from me to all the current overachievers.......a last point though......Fairmile.....you seemed to infer that the existence of one or two bigger sponsors was an (unfair?) advantage. There are probably those among us who would consider Invesco Perpetual a pretty significant sponsor ?  WE will have them if you don't want them Big smile

Best of luck to all with injuries.......I continue to watch on with interest.Smile


Posted By: sweatysock
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 20:08
worthing were well beaten by a better side today - Barnes were more incisive and defended well when they needed to. Seemed to have a few missing today, and maybe that made a difference


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 21:20
Originally posted by sweatysock sweatysock wrote:

worthing were well beaten by a better side today - Barnes were more incisive and defended well when they needed to. Seemed to have a few missing today, and maybe that made a difference


Have to disagree, Worthing were bossing the 1st half until conceding 2 tries in the last 3 to 4 minutes.

Failing to put away a couple of decisive breaks cost them along with a give away try in the 2nd half ( a very good low catch by a Barnes player leading to a try)

Yes Worthing were missing 3 key players and lost several to injuries in the 1st half which obviously limited their substitutions.

Key part of the game was when Barnes held out on their line following a prolonged period in the 2nd half.

On the day Barnes just about deserved the win, but I wouldn't say the Raiders were well beaten.

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Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 21:44
Hi Sweaty......good to see you making a contribution yourself.
A few missing ?  Don't blame you for not knowing but this was a savagely depleted side that did (IMO) a great job against an on form,  probably upper middle table team.

Of course....the opinion as to what is our best side will differ from fan to fan, and the coaches may well differ completely, but in my best Raiders side we were missing......Spurgeon, Perkins, Barnes, Maslen, Walsh, McIlwaine and Dawe.   We had many others playing out of position and then lost two more key players, Price and Forrest......also playing out of position, in the second quarter.  

IMO. with a bit better game management and any sort of decent defence from our back 3, we would still have won the game.  We had some outsanding individual performances IMO and Jack Lee at lock had his best game by a clear margin for me.....my MoM.  Overall.....a pretty decent team effort and for a home grown side, much to enthuse about for the future.....particularly the more unified performance of our very young pack  Big smile   I could bang on for a while.....Harris, Sassone, Birch and Lake also had great games.  Good effort lads.  Wink  
Tragic to see Kemp do his shoulder again.....praying it is not another dislocation Ouch  Great player. 

That said,  this is the best Barnes side I have ever seen and they have a good balance between backs and forwards.  No way they go back down this time. 


Posted By: sweatysock
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 21:50
yes agree about Barnes - normally can assume a home win each time but they were tough opposition today


Posted By: The Joy of (Level) 7
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 22:52
As a neutral it was a great game at Taunton, ultimately turning on the home second-row's red card early in the second period. The hosts were deservedly 24-12 to the good at that point and their scrummage, always under pressure, couldn't then cope with the powerful Rams eight.

They stuck to their task though, and were deserving of at least two points come the end. For me, Rams got the job done but on this showing will need a far better back line if they are to succeed at a higher level.

A great advert for L4 rugby.

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Posted By: Welshie7
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 22:56
Darth
Out of interest who were playing out of position? And why?


Posted By: Wigwam
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2018 at 08:20
Originally posted by Welshie7 Welshie7 wrote:

Darth
Out of interest who were playing out of position? And why?


Haha.....
Surely Darths list of 7 senior players missing gives a clue as to why others were playing out of position ???

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Posted By: Welshie7
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2018 at 09:37
Wigwam - I see your point so let me be clearer with my questions....

1. Who was playing out of position?

2. Why were they playing out of position? Is this opinion or fact? Could the 'movers' actually be in their best position and regularly play in another position to accommodate the 7 missing? If so many are missing wouldn't you play the strongest players in the positions required and fill around....why 'weaken' team further?

Added question
3. Would the depth of the squad at Worthing be a worry if players are having to play out of position?



The other comment I suppose could be discussed is the young pack - not much different from previous weeks?
This and the 'young backs' that are often quoted means must be a very young team yet if statbunker is correct there are quite a number of the players used this season who played in the National One Worthing team of a few years back????



Just saying


Posted By: The Hawks
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2018 at 10:20
Meanwhile....... Henley notched up their seventh win on the bounce, keeping pressure on Rams, but Canterbury are the next visitors to Dry Leas, 2nd vs 3rd place teams, interesting contest indeed, Canterbury are playing well this season, so we have to be on our guard to make it eight wins on the trot!!
Sorry to see our friends from Sussex having a lean spell at the moment 😂😂

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Posted By: honestinjun
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2018 at 10:39
Just to balance up the Worthing v Barnes game comments, Barnes were missing several keys players yesterday too, the starting XV showcasing a good representation of 2nd XV players, and the lads were not at all happy with their performance at after the game, so you are correct, Worthing could well have won. However the belief in the Barnes team this year is very strong, and whilst they very much respect each of their opposition they don’t fear anyone and we are not aiming to merely survive this season.

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Posted By: Wigwam
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2018 at 19:56
Originally posted by Welshie7 Welshie7 wrote:


The other comment I suppose could be discussed is the young pack - not much different from previous weeks?
This and the 'young backs' that are often quoted means must be a very young team yet if statbunker is correct there are quite a number of the players used this season who played in the National One Worthing team of a few years back????



Just saying


Quite a number ???
As far a I know only two of saturdays side played regularly in the Nat One year and what difference does that make anyway ??? They were only there one year !!! So hardly seasoned Nat One players. Yes a couple of the squad have played elsewhere at a higher level in the past but overall this squad is a homegrown bunch of kids. Clearly when the word “young” is used it rankles with a few on here. No idea why ???


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Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2018 at 21:05
Welshie.......I would echo Wigwams comments.....in that I personally am only aware of two squad players left over from the Nat1 era.....it seems that you are trying to infer that we have a core of ex Nat1 players and that this 'young players' bit is a nonsense.
I personally, would categorise 'young players' as being in the 18-20yr old range and as such......we field many of them each week....not always by choice.

As to the other stuff......well of course it is an opinion.....that is what this forum is supposed to be about.....a sharing of such.  As it happens....I believe it to be fact but that is just me.....each can make their own minds up.

I am not going to go into the exhaustive detail of our match day side, but by way of example....

We had an openside, who HAS been playing blindside to accommodate another player,  playing at 8, until he was injured.
We had a second team lock on the blindside and a hooker at openside.  It got much more complicated when our 8 got injured and we re-organised......likewise, when a minute or so later, the centre we had playing at 10 also got injured.  We re-organised again and got on with it.  I lost count of who was where around that point, though we definitely had a full back and then a scrum half on the wing.....but that is not unusual and the whole bunch might be best described as utility backs these last few games. Embarrassed

I suspect that most if not all of the teams in our physical league suffer similarly as we too, have done in the past.  Just my opinion, but we are leaning harder on young second team replacements than usual at the mo.  They have done well IMO opinion and are starting to 'front up' physically. 

FWIW......a few of them gave such good accounts of themselves on Saturday that IMO, they may be difficult to displace now.  

Finally, who is to define the expression 'playing out of position' ?  If you play in a position that your team needs you to, and for say, four to six games, but is not the position that you have played in during your formative years.....is that your new position regardless ?  Bu&&ered if I know. 


Posted By: Welshie7
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2018 at 23:51
Thanks for the lengthy explanation Darth I appreciate the time, effort and info. Wigwam a little more aggressive in his response but as they say forums are for opinions.

18-20 yr olds bodes well for the future unless they go to uni plus two of them are DR so they will go anyway.
Wigwam says home grown kids but that's not strictly true (12 of the 20 not through the junior section of the club if my insider at the club is correct) but let's not get carried away by this.

I wasn't inferring that this squad was part of the N1 days but previous players this season have been and again I wasn't saying that this was an indication of the strength merely they can't be that young if they were around then :)

As regards the players, again your knowledge of your squad is much better than mine, but it could be (as my spy tells me) that the 8 is actually a 6 but wants to be a 7, the 2nd team lock is a 6, the hooker at openside is an openside who tried hooking, the centre at 10 played most if not all his junior rugby as a 10 (son of a club legend?), the 9 on the wing has played many games there and maybe an indication of why Worthing score so many tries (and my man says why Saturday was 'loose') is that apart from Sims every other back on show had started a National League match on the wing - wow I bet there are very few clubs who can say that.

Good to have some debate on the forum but I guess lots will be bored with this so I will draw a line under it now ;)


Posted By: Wigwam
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 09:51
Welshie
Haha aggressive moi ??? and before you draw a line................
 
Has the "insider" also told you that a couple of times this season the match day squad has been made up of 13 / 14 players who graduated from the junior ranks ???
 
To add a bit of balance to the age debate I think I am right in saying that Worthing regularly field the oldest player in National One at 43 years old........sorry young.


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Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 21:46
Welshie.....if anyone gets bored with reading this stuff they have options.  In my experience, we have about 100 views per actual post, so they also have the option of presenting something more interesting themselves ?  

Not sure you need much from Raiders rolling maulers if you have an insider as you say, though I would disagree with a fair bit of what you have been told.

In direct counterpoint to the 'young backs' label that you seem to object to.....herewith my own preferred Raiders backline.....most of these players will be available in the coming weeks.  I add the highest level at which I believe they have played.  I think perhaps 4 of them played in the home game against Redruth......most missing since.  WE were I think.....devastating with ball in hand in that game.

You all may laugh, but I think this back line is not only the best by a margin in Nat2S, but unlikely to be bettered in Nat1.  Then again....it is not likely to be selected either ......even if all are available TongueWink

9.  Matt Walsh   level 2 Rotherham Titans
10.Matt McLean level 3 Raiders
11.Curtis Barnes  level 4 Raiders
12. Jon Dawe  played for Germany against Canada in the World Cup on saturday
13. Kiba Richards  level 3 Raiders/Esher
14. Jack Maslen  level 3 Raiders
15. David McIlwaine  level 2 Ulster/Doncaster/Bristol.Carnegie etc

Jack Forrest and perhaps others might be close to forcing their way into this experienced group. 

Either way.....a frightening proposition for any opposing side if we can get some ball Big smile.

Just for the record....and again just IMO.....the most outstanding talent amongst this group would be Curtis Barnes.....I think he is the best winger in our league and I look forward to see a whole season where we get the ball into his hands. 
Five of those were missing last Saturday Ouch

COME ON RAIDERS  !!!!!!
   


Posted By: Welshie7
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 23:55
Catching up online during my tea break.
Darth you are very knowledgable re the Raiders. My man on 'inside' is often pie eyed by the time it gets to half time so I bow to your greater info.

Although isn't Dawe a 7? Didn't see his name in the squad against Canada.....good for Worthing and N2 to have an international playing though.

I couldn't comment on this being the best backline in the league or above as I don't see all the teams play but as you know games are won by forwards and scoreline determined by backs as the great man once said.


Posted By: Welshie7
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 23:56
Wigwam which matches 'has the squad been made up of 13/14 home grown players'. That is something any club should be boosting about


Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 10:00
Welshie.....Jon Dawe is a talented rugby footballer and yes, he does play 7 for Raiders.  It is just that, in my troubled old mind.......I think he should play 12 or 13. 

Interesting that your insider is pie-eyed by half time......that narrows the search down to about 200 LOL


Posted By: Tyke
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 09:23
As the highest placed (league wise) club in the county, Worthing attract players who have completed their youth rugby at local clubs but wish to try their hand at a higher level of adult rugby than their home club can provide. As these players arrive on the scene at 18/19 years of age they are sometimes mistaken for home grown players by supporters. Whilst 13/14 players aged 23-24 and under would be correct for most games this season, the table below shows the actual number of home grown players fielded in each game thus far. The second column shows the number of players fielded in each game who played in Worthing's National 1 season.

H Grown Nat 1
TAUNTON 10 3
GUERNSEY 9 5
REDRUTH 10 5
CLIFTON 10 5
BEES 10 4
CANTERBURY 10 3
LIWG 7 2
HENLEY 9 2
OA's 8 2
BSE 8 3
BARNES 9 2



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Posted By: Welshie7
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 11:02
Interesting finding/reading there Tyke


Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 16:06
Good information Dave .....a couple of points.

Your 'home grown' definition is obviously precise and correct.   From an emotional perspective though, when local lads join the club in their mid-to-late teens, play academy and A team for a few years before getting into the front side.....they feel pretty home grown to me.   As opposed that is, to attracting players from other counties or even countries,  due to the enviable ability to pay them for their services.
We do still have a commendably large number that started in the minis though  !   Well done us.

Secondly......I can't for the life of me name 5 first team squad players who played Nat1.  Got McLean, Perkins, Maslen and Richards.  So who please, is the other one ?


Posted By: dummyH
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 16:30
@Darth Raider 

Matt Walsh, although not for Worthing to be fair


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 17:58
Originally posted by dummyH dummyH wrote:

@Darth Raider 

Matt Walsh, although not for Worthing to be fair



So therefore should not be included in your figures.

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Posted By: Tyke
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 18:06
I have counted all those who played Junior and or Colts rugby. If you include those who arrived at 18 years of age and played A's there are at least three more to add in. No. 5 was Jon Whittall.



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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 20:40
Originally posted by Tyke Tyke wrote:

I have counted all those who played Junior and or Colts rugby. If you include those who arrived at 18 years of age and played A's there are at least three more to add in. No. 5 was Jon Whittall.



During your research, did you note the number of appearances in the N1 season by those 5?

From memory, I suspect Perkins, Richards and McLean played most of the games, Whittal a few less ( might have a number of bench starts) and Maslen less than half (serious injury at Doncaster).

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Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 21:16
Thanks Dave,,,,I recall what seem to be a few appearances by Jon. I wondered who it was.  

Anybody else, ?  Others teams got any interesting numbers ?  Care to share and join the debate ?Obviously,  the Raiders R-M crew are now, and have been for a while, quite proud of our production line.  I recall a few years back of us being accused by a number of Redruth fans of being a much moneyed club.  Hah.  I wish. 

Hawks for example ?  How goes the home grown product there ?  I can imagine it might have got worse of late, what near neighbours Chinnor, perhaps, becoming a preferred destination ?  WElshie ?   I don't have an insider, unless you count the 'gone missing' Mr Burden.....who is now a closet Choppers fan of course Wink  So we must rely on you ?


Posted By: The Hawks
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 23:19
Originally posted by Darth Raider Darth Raider wrote:

Thanks Dave,,,,I recall what seem to be a few appearances by Jon. I wondered who it was.  

Anybody else, ?  Others teams got any interesting numbers ?  Care to share and join the debate ?Obviously,  the Raiders R-M crew are now, and have been for a while, quite proud of our production line.  I recall a few years back of us being accused by a number of Redruth fans of being a much moneyed club.  Hah.  I wish. 

Hawks for example ?  How goes the home grown product there ?  I can imagine it might have got worse of late, what near neighbours Chinnor, perhaps, becoming a preferred destination ?  WElshie ?   I don't have an insider, unless you count the 'gone missing' Mr Burden.....who is now a closet Choppers fan of course Wink  So we must rely on you ?


Oh Darth my old fruit!!

Home grown players, the late James Comden came through the juniors, so did Alec Hepburn, through Henley college, Wasps academy then Henley Hawks now Exeter & England. There are more but our coaches will know more than me!!
I will try and find out more!!

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Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2018 at 21:27
Some outstanding away wins this week.  V well done to Dings, Redruth, Wild Geese and Clifton.   None of which I saw coming Embarrassed   That said.....it was another shocking week for scores on Rolling Maul prediction.  

The City Side came up with another very good away win.  Interesting to see the two very contrasting styles I would have thought, with the backs team coming out on top, despite a hat-trick from the opposing hooker.

I have not seen Canterbury yet,  but it seems likely that almost anyone could grab the second spot this year,  It may come down to luck with injuries ?  TJ's and even OA's might be looking at the prospect of a playoff ?
Titans I suppose, MUST have several injuries and not much squad depth ?  Three consecutive losses and shipping 132 points in those games does not augur well. 

If Rams keep their discipline and stick to their (mostly) forwards based game, the title should be theirs and by a significant margin. 

There are four sides locked into the relegation battle at the mo, though the Wild Geese seem to be on a bit of an uptrend of late ?  I thought Guernsey would do better as winter arrived and they got players back ?  Birmingham are now definitely suffering from that 5pt penalty.....it could prove fatal. 

If that battle goes much as it has in most recent years, then Clifton,  BSE and even Raiders might get pulled into it Ouch


Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2018 at 16:56
A request......Tyke/Dave......I don't have the details so can't know, but on the subject of young teams that was deliberated earlier in this thread,  I suspect that Raiders may have fielded their youngest ever starting pack against the outstanding Rams 8 on Saturday ?  

Do you have that information to hand ?   It looked outrageously young to me. 


Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2018 at 17:15
Hawks, are really starting to benefit with lads joining them at 18, from the AASE Programme they have with Wasps. 3 that play for their 1s, all coming from there in the last 2 years.

Also believe they've started a new Under 20s programme, although not strong as of yet if they continue to develop links with the college and the club potentially make the step up to L3 I see the programme becoming very strong as an interesting option for those coming out of the AASE Programme and requiring a club at a reasonable level with not bad pay.  


Posted By: Tyke
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2018 at 07:39
Originally posted by Darth Raider Darth Raider wrote:

A request......Tyke/Dave......I don't have the details so can't know, but on the subject of young teams that was deliberated earlier in this thread,  I suspect that Raiders may have fielded their youngest ever starting pack against the outstanding Rams 8 on Saturday ?  

Do you have that information to hand ?   It looked outrageously young to me. 
 

I am sure you are correct Darth, the average age of the starting pack was 21, ranging from 18 to the "ancient" Birch at 25, I cannot recall a pack that young starting before. It was not however our youngest front row, Head, Grief and Litterick last season, with a total of 57 years between them, take that prize.


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Posted By: Wigwam
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2018 at 10:33
Originally posted by Tyke Tyke wrote:

Originally posted by Darth Raider Darth Raider wrote:

A request......Tyke/Dave......I don't have the details so can't know, but on the subject of young teams that was deliberated earlier in this thread,  I suspect that Raiders may have fielded their youngest ever starting pack against the outstanding Rams 8 on Saturday ?  

Do you have that information to hand ?   It looked outrageously young to me. 
 

I am sure you are correct Darth, the average age of the starting pack was 21, ranging from 18 to the "ancient" Birch at 25, I cannot recall a pack that young starting before. It was not however our youngest front row, Head, Grief and Litterick last season, with a total of 57 years between them, take that prize.
 
Accepting that one of the current lot is a Quin, if the others can be retained its fantastic for the future. Litterick was showing great potential before being injured. hopefully he is back soon.
My only fear in the short term is they have a very steep learning curve when coming up against the more established older players fielded by others.


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Posted By: sweatysock
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2018 at 17:17
a good fighting draw for Worthing today 18-18. Scored a fantastic try in the first half too


Posted By: Wigwam
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2018 at 19:12
Originally posted by sweatysock sweatysock wrote:

a good fighting draw for Worthing today 18-18. Scored a fantastic try in the first half too



Worthing showed great spirit today.
Well worth the draw againstTJ’s and could have nicked it at the end.
Two cracking try’s in the first half that were top quality scores. If Cipriani made the passes that Matt made to set up those scores it would be all over the back pages.
Well done to all involved.

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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2018 at 19:39
Especially good how the young pack turned it round after a difficult start, in the last 20 minutes they were well on top of the TJs 8, so much so that TJs chose a line out rather than a scrum for the last play of the game.

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Posted By: Jester10
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2018 at 20:45
It's starting to look like the bottom four as losing ground on the clubs above. Clifton getting 5 points today will give them a boost ahead of their match with Rams next weekend. 
The top three look like they'll compete for the title this season, albeit we're not 1/2 way through yet. Taunton being 16 points behind Rams must surely be too far adrift? 



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Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 16:58
Hi Jester ........I don't see the battle for the title as being between the top 3......Rams would need to find some pretty inventive ways of throwing games away ?   They just need to play some pragmatic rugby over the next 6 weeks or so......I suspect a big gap will develop back to second place quite soon.

The real battle will be for that playoff place and as I may have said before, I would not be surprised if whoever clinched it lost 8 or even 10 games on the way.

No disrespect intended to any side, but although Nat2S this year has again got great strength in depth, we are to my mind missing any obvious candidates for Nat1.  In fact, it is possible that second place this year might be a bit of a poisoned chalice  ?  That said, there is a fair chance that our second placed side will end up with an away playoff that they might lose ?  So could be a moot point.

I suspect that as things stand, the City Side might be the 'best of the rest',  but other teams might yet decide to spend a few bob on recruitment and make a late dash for the line ?

I would agree that it is already most likely that three of the existing bottom 4 will go down.  Can old Reds pull off the escape act again ?  They are better positioned than last year and might be my favourites to escape the drop.
 
Lastly.....I too watch the TJ's game, but thought the visitors had the better of possession and territory, so was pleased with a draw.  Also, the last play of the game was actually a Raiders lineout throw-in......horrendously not straight as it happens so a great chance to nick it was lost, not for the first time either.  Ouch 
An observation rather than a criticism, but although TJ's have done outstandingly well since their promotion to level 4 AND, have recruited well, they still struggle to convert possession and territory into tries.  They defend with great organisation but just 4 TBP's so far ......another poor return for an ambitious outfit ?   And fewer forwards tries scored than any other team in the league ?  A good side methinks but still a work in progress.   



Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 17:49
Originally posted by Darth Raider Darth Raider wrote:

Hi Jester ........I don't see the battle for the title as being between the top 3......Rams would need to find some pretty inventive ways of throwing games away ?   They just need to play some pragmatic rugby over the next 6 weeks or so......I suspect a big gap will develop back to second place quite soon.

The real battle will be for that playoff place and as I may have said before, I would not be surprised if whoever clinched it lost 8 or even 10 games on the way.

No disrespect intended to any side, but although Nat2S this year has again got great strength in depth, we are to my mind missing any obvious candidates for Nat1.  In fact, it is possible that second place this year might be a bit of a poisoned chalice  ?  That said, there is a fair chance that our second placed side will end up with an away playoff that they might lose ?  So could be a moot point.

I suspect that as things stand, the City Side might be the 'best of the rest',  but other teams might yet decide to spend a few bob on recruitment and make a late dash for the line ?

I would agree that it is already most likely that three of the existing bottom 4 will go down.  Can old Reds pull off the escape act again ?  They are better positioned than last year and might be my favourites to escape the drop.
 
Lastly.....I too watch the TJ's game, but thought the visitors had the better of possession and territory, so was pleased with a draw.  Also, the last play of the game was actually a Raiders lineout throw-in......horrendously not straight as it happens so a great chance to nick it was lost, not for the first time either.  Ouch 
An observation rather than a criticism, but although TJ's have done outstandingly well since their promotion to level 4 AND, have recruited well, they still struggle to convert possession and territory into tries.  They defend with great organisation but just 4 TBP's so far ......another poor return for an ambitious outfit ?   And fewer forwards tries scored than any other team in the league ?  A good side methinks but still a work in progress.   



Actually, the last play of the day was the one after Worthing's not straight line-out. TJs chose the line-out rather than the scrum and immediately put the ball out.

Have to agree TJs seem a solid outfit but most weeks have low scoring games, looking at a 4-8 final placing imo.


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Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 21:36
Ah-ha....quite right Steve.....I was standing behind the lineout and and contributing to an  exercise of pointless pedantry, you are correct, BUT,  TJ's did bravely go through several phases from their own lineout, looking for a breakout and a win, it was only when the ball was passed back to Robinson that he (sensibly I thought) elected to take the draw. 

You going down to Bristol next week ?  


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 22:20
Originally posted by Darth Raider Darth Raider wrote:

Ah-ha....quite right Steve.....I was standing behind the lineout and and contributing to an  exercise of pointless pedantry, you are correct, BUT,  TJ's did bravely go through several phases from their own lineout, looking for a breakout and a win, it was only when the ball was passed back to Robinson that he (sensibly I thought) elected to take the draw. 

You going down to Bristol next week ?  


No, unfortunately can't make next week - not the easiest place to get to on public transport.

Will be at both home games before Christmas, will try to catch up with you then

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Posted By: Spitfire
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2018 at 22:19
All is quiet on the Worthing frontShocked


Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2018 at 11:45
Well hello Spitfire........it seems a long time since we heard from you !  Your lads are having a fine time of it of late Tongue

I can't speak for the rest of the Raiders contingent on R-M of course, but any that were at the game yesterday are probably suffering from a collective malaise.....a deep seated depression.  I am Ouch

Old Reds were competitive, combative and played the horrible conditions and the slope on their ground very well.
I thought their fly half was excellent on the day, ran and passed well and kicked very well indeed.  He ran the game really.
I thought we were really poor. Tactically naive and indisciplined .  We got what we deserved out of the game methinks, which was nothing. Cry

must do better next week Wink 


Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2018 at 20:46
The halfway point reached then and our league seems to be arranging itself into some definite order.

Rams should be unstoppable at the top.

Guernsey, Wild Geese and B&S are looking in big trouble at the bottom.  It seems unlikely to me that any of these three have the playing strength to pull out of the relegation zone now,  despite there being half a season to run.  Escape, should it occur, might happen if one or more of the sides above them go into freefall.  

Just 8pts cover the 7 league positions from 7th-13th and I think that several of those clubs have big injury worries.......so who knows how that might yet develop ?
 
OA's are a bit detached.........too good to get dragged into the nonsense below them but for now, not able to get into that battle for second place. 

Perhaps the most interest might yet be generated in the fight for second place then, with the City Side in pole position (where I suspect they will stay),  but Hawks, Titans and TJ's are all in close attendance. 

I continue to look on with interest......the Raiders youngsters (augmented yesterday with our 43yr old prop, who I believe played all 80mins !!),  continue to battle on and gain very valuable level 4 experience.  




Posted By: The Hawks
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2018 at 22:02
Originally posted by Darth Raider Darth Raider wrote:

The halfway point reached then and our league seems to be arranging itself into some definite order.

Rams should be unstoppable at the top.

Guernsey, Wild Geese and B&S are looking in big trouble at the bottom.  It seems unlikely to me that any of these three have the playing strength to pull out of the relegation zone now,  despite there being half a season to run.  Escape, should it occur, might happen if one or more of the sides above them go into freefall.  

Just 8pts cover the 7 league positions from 7th-13th and I think that several of those clubs have big injury worries.......so who knows how that might yet develop ?
 
OA's are a bit detached.........too good to get dragged into the nonsense below them but for now, not able to get into that battle for second place. 

Perhaps the most interest might yet be generated in the fight for second place then, with the City Side in pole position (where I suspect they will stay),  but Hawks, Titans and TJ's are all in close attendance. 

I continue to look on with interest......the Raiders youngsters (augmented yesterday with our 43yr old prop, who I believe played all 80mins !!),  continue to battle on and gain very valuable level 4 experience.  




I made the trip up to ‘Wet Leas’ yesterday and watched a very entertaining match which OA’s dominated the first hal. The second half was a total different, with the driving rain in their faces, they just couldn’t cope with the onslaught by Henley scoring 26 unanswered points. On a sad note, OA’s scrum half suffered a serious injury, give credit due, the ref stopped the game immediately and sent the players off until he was taken to the medical room until the ambulance arrived, I hope he is ok now?

Second place is warming up nicely now. We have got Rams at home on January 5th but still got to go to Canterbury & TJ’s, so plenty of twists and turns to come!

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Posted By: Jez
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2018 at 16:26
I good summation I think Darth Raider.


Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2018 at 20:47
Thanks for that Jez......we get so few contributions.....more than a hundred views for every post ConfusedOuch

I see that the optimistic Mr Burden has ventured away from his new home  ?   Hey Nick......your team have a great record currently and I can see why you and any other Hawks fans might be excited.  Not unjustifiably I suppose, but having watched your lot at Wet Leas, I think you will still fall short through lack of attacking talent in the backs.  

Frankly, if you did go up this year ???  I suspect it might be at least a year too early.....followed by a big Nat1 beating and relegation Ouch  
  
That said....there are some teams involved in this battle for second place that MIGHT be able to spend big to stay up ?  Are Hawks one of them ?  Perhaps not.   TJ's and Titans ?/  Probably and good luck to them .......superior volunteers Wink






Posted By: Clive Norling
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2018 at 21:24
Darth,

we respect every team but fear no one.

It is interesting to hear the various voices both on here and at matches about "we've bought a team", funny they were NOT saying that 3 years ago almost to the week, in our first season, when OA's came to visit on January 2nd and beat us and we were in 15th place staring down the barrel of relegation ..... strange that, as over 75% of that team, are the players now top of the league.

Yes, we've added 2/3 quality players but we've got accustomed to the pace and physicality of the league, got significantly fitter and got tougher mentally and those 4 attributes, along with a sprinkling of quality players, is why we're top, not because we splash the cash .......

Still a long way to go but we're in a good position, Henley away on Jan 5th should be a cracking game, it's a game they can't afford to lose if they wish to remain in the hunt for automatic promotion, so for the neutrals, will be a great game, just don't think that there will be many of those in the crowd on the day! ...

Canterbury, Tonbridge & Taunton will still fancy their chances as well but as I said, we respect every team in the league but when we bring our "A" game, we are very good .... maybe not in a Barbarian style but more Leicester Tigers from 1995 - 2005 .....


Posted By: Old Hooker
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2018 at 10:45
Well said Clive. I have noticed your clubs steady improvement over the last couple of seasons. It is very satisfying to see clubs developing from within such as my club Worthing. due to injuries we have blooded a number of youngsters especially in the forwards and they are now coming of age. Great for them and the club. As you say you respect all teams, very wise in this very competitive leagueWink

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Posted By: Clive Norling
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2018 at 17:57
Old Hooker,

I should just clarify one of my statements ....

"splash the cash" .... we're not saying we don't pay our players, we do, however, the sums we pay are within the budget laid down, which, having spoken to a number of players from other clubs (in Nat 2 South) during the summer when we were looking to recruit, are not in the same league i.e. we don't pay retainers, it's a simple match appearance with win bonus on top ... and unlike probably a lot of clubs, we've already been given a clean bill of health by HMRC!

The simple matter is that our 20 players on match day, play as a TEAM, and you can't put a price on that commodity ... you can have 15 brilliant individual players but they won't beat very often the 15 slightly lesser skilled players, who play for each other ....

Our club policy is to develop our younger players and supplement with experience and quality along side them, and then top quality coaches ... in the last 3 years, our forward coach has been supplemented by a Canadian international with over 50 caps and been to 4 World Cups and then after him, a National coach from another country who had worked with the forwards for over 22 years, that sort of coaching is invaluable ....



Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2018 at 22:05
Good evening Clive......been a while since your last contribution ?   
Am not sure quite what to think ?  Clearly. there is an issue with the green eyed monsters on our forum,  who believe that success in any individual club is down to them having the most money,

There is truth in this, but we should all appreciate that sometimes, this financial differential, is perpetuated by the volunteers at all of our clubs.  It is a fact of life that these volunteers vary in terms of both quality and number.

My personal opinion,  accumulated over the last 15yrs or so, is that the clubs that have the most efficient sponsorship regimes will have a distinct advantage and as you say, be able to supplement their squads with the 3 or 4 extra players that they need to move up a level.  

It would appear that Rams ....as with others like Chinnor and many before them, have reached that level. I am no more than envious. 

Good luck in Nat1 next year...........Mike 


Posted By: The Hawks
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 17:41
Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Darth,

we respect every team but fear no one.

It is interesting to hear the various voices both on here and at matches about "we've bought a team", funny they were NOT saying that 3 years ago almost to the week, in our first season, when OA's came to visit on January 2nd and beat us and we were in 15th place staring down the barrel of relegation ..... strange that, as over 75% of that team, are the players now top of the league.

Yes, we've added 2/3 quality players but we've got accustomed to the pace and physicality of the league, got significantly fitter and got tougher mentally and those 4 attributes, along with a sprinkling of quality players, is why we're top, not because we splash the cash .......

Still a long way to go but we're in a good position, Henley away on Jan 5th should be a cracking game, it's a game they can't afford to lose if they wish to remain in the hunt for automatic promotion, so for the neutrals, will be a great game, just don't think that there will be many of those in the crowd on the day! ...

Canterbury, Tonbridge & Taunton will still fancy their chances as well but as I said, we respect every team in the league but when we bring our "A" game, we are very good .... maybe not in a Barbarian style but more Leicester Tigers from 1995 - 2005 .....


So Clive, why do you think that the numbers will be low on January 5th? Or are you making yor excuses already?!! ( tongue in cheek!). I thought a local derby and what is at stake makes for a cracking game of rugby, if the rain holds out, but we proved against OA’s last weekend we can come from behind and win comfortably. Also, you haven’t won at Henley, you must be favourites, but I think it could be a one point game!
I am making the long trip from Cornwall, so hopefully you can make the short trip to Henley?!
Nick

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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 18:07
Originally posted by The Hawks The Hawks wrote:

Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Darth,

we respect every team but fear no one.

It is interesting to hear the various voices both on here and at matches about "we've bought a team", funny they were NOT saying that 3 years ago almost to the week, in our first season, when OA's came to visit on January 2nd and beat us and we were in 15th place staring down the barrel of relegation ..... strange that, as over 75% of that team, are the players now top of the league.

Yes, we've added 2/3 quality players but we've got accustomed to the pace and physicality of the league, got significantly fitter and got tougher mentally and those 4 attributes, along with a sprinkling of quality players, is why we're top, not because we splash the cash .......

Still a long way to go but we're in a good position, Henley away on Jan 5th should be a cracking game, it's a game they can't afford to lose if they wish to remain in the hunt for automatic promotion, so for the neutrals, will be a great game, just don't think that there will be many of those in the crowd on the day! ...

Canterbury, Tonbridge & Taunton will still fancy their chances as well but as I said, we respect every team in the league but when we bring our "A" game, we are very good .... maybe not in a Barbarian style but more Leicester Tigers from 1995 - 2005 .....


So Clive, why do you think that the numbers will be low on January 5th? Or are you making yor excuses already?!! ( tongue in cheek!). I thought a local derby and what is at stake makes for a cracking game of rugby, if the rain holds out, but we proved against OA’s last weekend we can come from behind and win comfortably. Also, you haven’t won at Henley, you must be favourites, but I think it could be a one point game!
I am making the long trip from Cornwall, so hopefully you can make the short trip to Henley?!
Nick


If you read Clive's post properly you will see he says he doesn't expect many neutral supporters in attendance - makes no mention of the crowd size expectancy whatsoever.

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Posted By: The Hawks
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 18:23
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by The Hawks The Hawks wrote:

Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Darth,

we respect every team but fear no one.

It is interesting to hear the various voices both on here and at matches about "we've bought a team", funny they were NOT saying that 3 years ago almost to the week, in our first season, when OA's came to visit on January 2nd and beat us and we were in 15th place staring down the barrel of relegation ..... strange that, as over 75% of that team, are the players now top of the league.

Yes, we've added 2/3 quality players but we've got accustomed to the pace and physicality of the league, got significantly fitter and got tougher mentally and those 4 attributes, along with a sprinkling of quality players, is why we're top, not because we splash the cash .......

Still a long way to go but we're in a good position, Henley away on Jan 5th should be a cracking game, it's a game they can't afford to lose if they wish to remain in the hunt for automatic promotion, so for the neutrals, will be a great game, just don't think that there will be many of those in the crowd on the day! ...

Canterbury, Tonbridge & Taunton will still fancy their chances as well but as I said, we respect every team in the league but when we bring our "A" game, we are very good .... maybe not in a Barbarian style but more Leicester Tigers from 1995 - 2005 .....


So Clive, why do you think that the numbers will be low on January 5th? Or are you making yor excuses already?!! ( tongue in cheek!). I thought a local derby and what is at stake makes for a cracking game of rugby, if the rain holds out, but we proved against OA’s last weekend we can come from behind and win comfortably. Also, you haven’t won at Henley, you must be favourites, but I think it could be a one point game!
I am making the long trip from Cornwall, so hopefully you can make the short trip to Henley?!
Nick


If you read Clive's post properly you will see he says he doesn't expect many neutral supporters in attendance - makes no mention of the crowd size expectancy whatsoever.


Well spotted, so I take that back Clive what I said earlier about crowd size!

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Posted By: Clive Norling
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 19:23
The Hawks ...

your apology is accepted!

I think there will be a bumper crowd, not anywhere near the 4000 that watched Henley v Worthing in that winner takes all game a few years back but a big, vocal & boisterous crowd ....

As I said, Henley will need all the support they can muster, lose to RAMS and the best they can hope for is a playoff place and they have to visit Canterbury, who've already beaten them at Dry Leas, so the PRESSURE is well and truly on the Henley lads in a big way ...

For RAMS, well having lost influential Robbie Stapley in match 4 of the season, to then win the next 11 games on the trot, all with 5 point bonus wins, they are in the driving seat (at the moment) and the said Mr. Stapley should be back fit and raring to go against Henley, something ALL Henley players must be delighted to hear .....


Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 21:43
A few points.....

Raiders were beaten in that big game.....3600 crowd IIRC, by two outstanding late imports.....Will Robinson., now back down to level 4 with TJ's. and most dramatically, by Jonah Holmes.....Wasps winger now ?  

I've been up to Wet Leas this year and, just IMO,  Rams should win 5-0, but if they don't arrive with enough intensity, it might be just 4-1. 
Hawks have a good back row and a decent pack in general, their strength this past 2/3 seasons.  I suppose if Rams don't front up in what will be a very intense game, then they might get turned over.  I put Hawks much on a level and playing style to OA's.....who have beaten Rams.....so who knows ???

THe BIG game tomorrow (of course), is Raiders v Raiders, as Guernsey visit the Rugby Park for the first time.  I shall of course, be there.  Feeling optimistic for our young lads  TongueWink  


Posted By: The Hawks
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 21:44
Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

The Hawks ...

your apology is accepted!

I think there will be a bumper crowd, not anywhere near the 4000 that watched Henley v Worthing in that winner takes all game a few years back but a big, vocal & boisterous crowd ....

As I said, Henley will need all the support they can muster, lose to RAMS and the best they can hope for is a playoff place and they have to visit Canterbury, who've already beaten them at Dry Leas, so the PRESSURE is well and truly on the Henley lads in a big way ...

For RAMS, well having lost influential Robbie Stapley in match 4 of the season, to then win the next 11 games on the trot, all with 5 point bonus wins, they are in the driving seat (at the moment) and the said Mr. Stapley should be back fit and raring to go against Henley, something ALL Henley players must be delighted to hear .....


Clive,
Robbie is a good player, but when it comes to the game, we are well aware of his abilities, you struggled against Clifton the other week, so we are taking that athe Rams are vulnerable, so an upset is on the cards?!
I don’t know why you think we can get automatic promoation from, you are at the moment are 11 points ahead of us, unless you go on a awful losing streak, the best we can go is for 2nd place play off which is definitely achievable.
Have a nice Christmas. See you on the 5th Jan.

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Posted By: sweatysock
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2018 at 16:41
funny old game at Worthing with a grandstand finish giving them a 43-36 win with a last minute try - in fact they were well down with 10 minutes to go and managed 3 late tries to sneak the win

It was pretty hard on Guernsey who were the better team for most of the game. Surprised they are struggling this year if they play like that


Posted By: fatbear
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2018 at 19:53
[QUOTE=Darth Raider]A few points.....

Raiders were beaten in that big game.....3600 crowd IIRC, by two outstanding late imports.....Will Robinson., now back down to level 4 with TJ's. and most dramatically, by Jonah Holmes.....Wasps winger now ?  

I'm not sure the "late imports" description is entirely fair. Both played a couple of months earlier when Henley had a thumping win at Chinnor. Both were outstanding and Holmes scored 4 tries.


Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2018 at 20:27
Fatbear......we are not really disagreeing are we???  Just a matter of whether 'recent' means two weeks or two months. Fact is, those two players, and having the admirable financial wherewithal to acquire them when needed, DID decide who won our league that year.  No complaint....no problem

Just to add, I watched Guernsey today.  Their forwards are very well coached and for the greater part, they outplayed us for at least 65mins.  Their set piece was very good and their command of the restarts equally damaging.  

I felt sorry for their travelling fans as they lead 22-36 with very little time left, but the (real) Raiders bench made quite an impact and we managed to get on the front foot for 10mins or so and  turned it around with some quite (IMO) pretty backs tries.  

I don't think that the result was a fair reflection of the game as whole......but I can't be unhappy with the great result.....we kept trying to the end and after some amazing continuity....many minutes into extra time, that allowed us to get an (undeserved) winning try.  Well done lads  WinkBig smile  I confess I would have taken a late draw as a 'get out of jail' card  Ouch


Posted By: Surreyben
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 10:05
Barnes' form this season is a bit of a curates egg - five defeats in a row, followed by five straight wins, and now five losses in a row once more!

Looking back to 2015/16, when Barnes last avoided relegation from N2S, their form was very similar - five losses followed by four wins then five defeats in seven. Strange parallels.


Posted By: Jester10
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 11:22
Originally posted by Surreyben Surreyben wrote:

Barnes' form this season is a bit of a curates egg - five defeats in a row, followed by five straight wins, and now five losses in a row once more!

Looking back to 2015/16, when Barnes last avoided relegation from N2S, their form was very similar - five losses followed by four wins then five defeats in seven. Strange parallels.

Looking at the table it's hard to see Barnes being dragged into a relegation battle. The two poorest sides I've seen at OBR this season are Guernsey and LIWG, difficult to see them escaping, unless of course LIWG manage to find some academy players from somewhere Wink 

I think the bottom three are now there for the duration.  


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Posted By: GTH
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 15:49
Darth, I love reading your posts on here over the years, keeps us all up to date and on this great league. I really ought to stay as a reader not a poster! but I have to disagree with you on the big game at Dry Leas 5 years ago. I think it also raises some interesting issues still relevant today.

Arguing that Will and Jonah (who was outstanding for Leicester yesterday) decided who won the league that year or even that one single big game at Dry Leas is not really accurate, and does a bit of disservice to the other players on both teams. Nor is the follow on thinking that having the financial wherewithal to acquire them true either.

Jonah was in his second season as a D/R from Wasps that year and Will had played every game since Christmas, also as a D/R, as cover for James Comben. Of course you have to have the relationship with the Premiership academy in the first place, and those players can have a huge impact or not, as Worthing know very well. But they don’t normally cost very much from the actual budget as they are usually being paid by the parent club, and that’s true for both Will and Jonah.

If you look at the two forward packs (including bench) in that one game, and having watched a lot of Worthing games that season and all Hawks, I would strongly argue that if the same exact 2 teams had played each other 10 times, then Henley would have won all 10. Put Miles and McGowan back into Worthing’s team and it would have been a bit more even. Will and Jonah both played eye catchingly well that day but the game was won and lost up front. I would suggest that that our squad strength in the back third of the season to cover for absences after the registration window is why we won the league that year, we had players missing that day especially in the forwards, Alex Penney and Ryan Newman, but we didn’t miss them nearly as much as Worthing missed their absentees. This is a budget issue as well as a planning issue, but not with the 2 d/r’s, it’s also a major factor every year for the teams at the top.

Henley’s best performance that season btw, was not beating Worthing at Dry Leas, but beating Hartbury away a month earlier, although the best performance of any team that year was Worthing turning round and beating Stourbridge in the play off. Great feat of coaching and leadership from your boys.

Back up to today, I saw some the best/ most skillfull rugby I’ve seen at Dry Leas for a long time from the current Worthing boys - very young - earlier this year. Bodes very well for your future I think.

Still a great league this. All the best. GTH.

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Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 21:14
Hi GTH.......it''s a shame that you and others don't contribute more ?  
I concede all your points on the game in question, you are, for the greater part, better informed than me.  Though I would point out that we were missing many more from our pack than just Miles and McGowan, though there is not a side at (at least) level 3 that would not miss that pair.
I was at the Stourbridge game and it was amazing, though to be fair, they were the better team on the day, just outbattled very near the end.  

I think you might be right in your 10/10 opinion on the sides that actually played on that (fateful) day.....but it is worth keeping in mind that I think a pretty fair representation of both team's first XV fronted up at the Rugby Park earlier, in terms of the forwards, and we won 49-5  TongueWink
To be fair, this was almost completely down to the buffoonery (IMO) of the Hawks tactics.....they were clearly instructed to NEVER kick the ball, and did not, no matter what happened.  It was quite bizarre.
I think you had ten consecutive  TBP's up until that point......so I can understand persisting with it for a good while ? 

That said, I'm pretty sure that messrs Robinson and Holmes were NOT on show, though maybe Robbie Stapley was ?

WE won at Hartpury too, albeit by one point......good side.  

FWIW,  I don't think you will go up this year......I think your backs are still too weak in both attack and more so, in defence.  Recruitment there and you might make it next year ?

Thanks for the words on our youngsters.......we have a lot of them and many of them have been forced into the first XV due to our injury problems.......i must wonder if anybody has ever fielded a pack with an average age of 21 ?  This is a double edged sword......weakened now, but we have a huge number of boys with extensive exposure to level 4 rugby now,...so as you say, it bodes well for the future and squad depth.Big smile

It was good to hear from you.......don't be a stranger Big smile




Posted By: GTH
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 15:31
Looks like the battle for the play off spot this year is going to be the closest for a long while. Who do you think are favourites?

A lot will depend on injuries and squad depth (as always), but looking at what everyone has left I would say that Canterbury are the fav’s because of the number of home games against the top 5 sides, plus they’ve already played TJ’s home and away and don’t face Rams until the last match, who by then will probably be promoted already. TJ’s are definitely still in it, but if they don’t win against us (Hawks) a week on Sat could be struggling. Taunton are obvs a very good team who can beat anyone on their day but having to play all the top 3 away makes it very difficult for them, if they do get a result down in Kent though, it’s going to be all back on. If I was going to give the 4 main teams involved a % chance of finishing 2nd (head not heart!) I would probaly go:

Cants 45%
Hawks 35%
TJ’s 15%
Taunton 5%
Bolter from outside 0%

What do you boys think?

GTH

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Posted By: The Hawks
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 16:06
Originally posted by GTH GTH wrote:

Looks like the battle for the play off spot this year is going to be the closest for a long while. Who do you think are favourites?

A lot will depend on injuries and squad depth (as always), but looking at what everyone has left I would say that Canterbury are the fav’s because of the number of home games against the top 5 sides, plus they’ve already played TJ’s home and away and don’t face Rams until the last match, who by then will probably be promoted already. TJ’s are definitely still in it, but if they don’t win against us (Hawks) a week on Sat could be struggling. Taunton are obvs a very good team who can beat anyone on their day but having to play all the top 3 away makes it very difficult for them, if they do get a result down in Kent though, it’s going to be all back on. If I was going to give the 4 main teams involved a % chance of finishing 2nd (head not heart!) I would probaly go:

Cants 45%
Hawks 35%
TJ’s 15%
Taunton 5%
Bolter from outside 0%

What do you boys think?

GTH


GTH,

I think you have got it spot on, we have still got to play Canterbury & TJ’s away never an easy place to get results.
This week though we have a little encounter with the Rams crossing the boarder into Oxfordshire, bearing in mind the Rams have never won at Dry Leas, should be a cracking match!!, so fingers & toes crossed to a fantastic win😀😀

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Posted By: Clueless like most
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 16:31
I think I might be right in saying that TJs have beaten all above them besides the Rams and Henley and Taunton have never beaten TJs home or away. Can anyone confirm? Tjs will need to start scoring some bonus points but it all looks very close this year. It will take a few weeks yet to sort out. I think Henley will have a tough few weeks.


Posted By: RedPete
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 22:54
Originally posted by Clueless like most Clueless like most wrote:

I think I might be right in saying that TJs have beaten all above them besides the Rams and Henley and Taunton have never beaten TJs home or away. Can anyone confirm? Tjs will need to start scoring some bonus points but it all looks very close this year. It will take a few weeks yet to sort out. I think Henley will have a tough few weeks.
 
Taunton have not beaten TJs in the three meetings in N2S so far (2 away, 1 home). I don't believe they have played each other previously.


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Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 23:45
It looks like one of TJ's, Hawks, Canterbury or perhaps Titans will snatch the playoff place this year.  
 
All will probably remain strong at home.......away form may well decide it.
Hawks are actually the strongest away side in the league so far,  but I believe, have alot of tough away fixtures to come.
Personally, I don't think any of the four are quite good enough for level 3 yet......no criticism intended, just the nature of Nat2S this year, where we have a huge bunch of sides separated only (IMO) by form and injury levels. 
If I had to pick one......I would go for the City Side, though they are a backs side and even Merton Lane at this time of year is not conducive to their preferred playing style. The weather may play a part and Hawks in particular might enjoy plenty of mud. 

I favour Canterbury,  rather because of the weaknesses of the others.......Hawks weakness in their backs.....TJ's inabilty to score 4 tries or more despite their excellent defensive capability,  and Titans also seem frail defensively.  Who knows ?

All of these sides may still have the wherewithal to recruit and change the whole pattern of how the season ends.  That MAY happen......if you have the funds.....this is a great season in which to get yourself a playoff position.   Not sure if that might be a home fixture yet or indeed, what the quality of the northern opposition might be this year .......but my impression is that they are in a similar situation to us......lots of good sides......anyone can beat anyone and it will be quite a scrap for the playoff place on Nat2N 

If Rams should falter at Dry Leas tomorrow.....as they did at OA's......then some may think the title is still up for grabs ?   I think not.   
What an incredibly unpredictable league we have again this year.  Will someone do an OLD REDS and claw their way away from relegation ?  It would be good to see but I think not.  TongueWink 


Posted By: Jester10
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 18:30
There were three sides that Rams had never beaten away at the start of the season. Taunton, Redruth and Henley. 

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Posted By: The Hawks
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 19:39
Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:

There were three sides that Rams had never beaten away at the start of the season. Taunton, Redruth and Henley. 


Congratulations Rams on your achievement. We were 12-7 up with 4 mins to go when we ran out of our 22 towards the 10 yard line when you tackled our player, you knocked it on, we were all waiting for the ref to blow up for a scrum and he didn’t and you scored! I feel we could have won that match and you used your get out of jail card! You had us in the scrum, but our backs played well and our defence, very good atmosphere today like a good old cup game! Good luck in Nat 1 next year, I feel Cantabury will get the 2nd spot, for us we gave a goof platform to build on next season.

Nick
GTH

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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 19:43
Originally posted by The Hawks The Hawks wrote:

Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:

There were three sides that Rams had never beaten away at the start of the season. Taunton, Redruth and Henley. 


Congratulations Rams on your achievement. We were 12-7 up with 4 mins to go when we ran out of our 22 towards the 10 yard line when you tackled our player, you knocked it on, we were all waiting for the ref to blow up for a scrum and he didn’t and you scored! I feel we could have won that match and you used your get out of jail card! You had us in the scrum, but our backs played well and our defence, very good atmosphere today like a good old cup game! Good luck in Nat 1 next year, I feel Cantabury will get the 2nd spot, for us we gave a goof platform to build on next season.

Nick
GTH


I take it Henley have never benefitted from a missed knock-on judging by your protestations?

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Posted By: The Hawks
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 20:00
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by The Hawks The Hawks wrote:

Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:

There were three sides that Rams had never beaten away at the start of the season. Taunton, Redruth and Henley. 


Congratulations Rams on your achievement. We were 12-7 up with 4 mins to go when we ran out of our 22 towards the 10 yard line when you tackled our player, you knocked it on, we were all waiting for the ref to blow up for a scrum and he didn’t and you scored! I feel we could have won that match and you used your get out of jail card! You had us in the scrum, but our backs played well and our defence, very good atmosphere today like a good old cup game! Good luck in Nat 1 next year, I feel Cantabury will get the 2nd spot, for us we gave a goof platform to build on next season.

Nick
GTH


I take it Henley have never benefitted from a missed knock-on judging by your protestations?


This is going to be my last statement on this. Our player was tackled by a Rans player who knocked it forward in the tackle, which was picked up and scored in the corner. Let’s move on now and look forward to next weeks game at TJ’s.

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Posted By: Darth Raider
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 21:50
Sheesh......I think I might give up this prediction game !  I am rubbish Tongue

As succinctly as I can....

Well done Hawks.....great try.
TJ's managed a TBP.....yay  !!! but concede 6 tries to the Wild Geese while they were at it and lost Ouch  What happened there then ? Confused
Raiders managed their first ever win at the Recreation Ground, where the Choppers are starting to look much less impregnable in recent times.....just my opinion, but they just don't have the pack any more....though a few decent backs.  Tongue
Barnes are back then ?  I think someone at the club needs to explain to us clueless posters what is going on ?  Can we now expect them to win their next 4/5 games ?  An outstanding and wholly unexpected win though Clap   Big smile
I had thought that the Reds forwards might upset the City Side at Merton Lane......but the title challengers forwards were clearly up for the battle and (I suspect) that their excellent back line were responsible for this surprisingly big win.  
I thought Clifton might cause Titans some big problems in an high scoring encounter.....that they appeared to do, but lost by 7 tries to 6.........fantastic game for the neutral.  
Guernsey fell by the wayside in the 'must win' game against BSE, but B & S did not......beating Dings.

But can any of the bottom 3 pull clear ?  Seems unlikely to me.  

Rams stretching away now as expected.


Posted By: honestinjun
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 22:06
Darth, it beats me why Barnes are so consistently inconsistent! The truth is on the pitch it is down to the players...in the recent run of five losses, preceeding today’s excellent bloody minded win, we certainly felt we could have won against the Reds, the Bees and even Henley last week, whilst performing well below par against the City side and Clifton. We need to significantly reduce our error count for starters...if we can do that then when we get possession we can hurt teams, as we did OA’s today with only 30/40% possession. We now have Bury at home next week and a trip to Guernsey to follow so who knows what will happen, at least if we don’t know what Barnes are going to do from week to week then the rest of you have no chance of predicting it either, ahhh the beauty of supporting your team with blind faith, I love it!

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Posted By: Clive Norling
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 10:14
[/QUOTE]

This is going to be my last statement on this. Our player was tackled by a Rans player who knocked it forward in the tackle, which was picked up and scored in the corner. Let’s move on now and look forward to next weeks game at TJ’s.[/QUOTE]

Nick, I reviewed the match at 02.00 this morning (no, I don't have a life!), Nick Wood the referee, who had a very good game I thought, ruled that the RAMS player knocked the the Hawks players arms backwards in the tackle, the pictures appear to confirm that, and on that basis, referee's who are good, DO NOT make marginal calls .... Hawks fans will think it's a knock on, RAMS fans will think arms knocked back in the tackle, which just looking at it again, it does seem more probable ...

Henley played fantastically well, particularly in the lineout and pushed us to the limit, personally, a draw was probably a fair result but those are so hard to get in rugby, maybe, just maybe our superior fitness told in those last 10 minutes ...

Rugby was the ultimate winner, with a massive crowd treated to a top quality game of Level 4 rugby ...

Ash Rowden


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 11:48
I see Stapley was back, albeit on the bench, was this a factor - he's a very good player at this level?

Watched an 'A' league game just before Christmas, which Nick Wood refereed. He had a good match, despite my team losing, very hot on the little pop passes being forward (which are usually missed). Also, being an ex prop he should have more idea than most about the dark arts of the scrum

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Posted By: Clive Norling
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 11:58
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

I see Stapley was back, albeit on the bench, was this a factor - he's a very good player at this level?

Watched an 'A' league game just before Christmas, which Nick Wood refereed. He had a good match, despite my team losing, very hot on the little pop passes being forward (which are usually missed). Also, being an ex prop he should have more idea than most about the dark arts of the scrum


Robbie is no where near full fitness to play 80 minutes, we decided he would be better OFF the bench than starting, in case we needed a bit of impetus, we are VERY MUCH A TEAM effort but I would be lying if I said that he doesn't add something to our already very good forwards unit .... because of his fantastic strength, he attracts defenders when he has the ball, thereby creating space for his team mates ...

His smile after the game though was the biggest I've seen from him this season and I told him that!

Nick Wood is a VERY GOOD referee at THIS LEVEL and we were NOT UNHAPPY to see the RFU had appointed him to the game ....


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 14:33
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by The Hawks The Hawks wrote:

Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:

There were three sides that Rams had never beaten away at the start of the season. Taunton, Redruth and Henley. 


Congratulations Rams on your achievement. We were 12-7 up with 4 mins to go when we ran out of our 22 towards the 10 yard line when you tackled our player, you knocked it on, we were all waiting for the ref to blow up for a scrum and he didn’t and you scored! I feel we could have won that match and you used your get out of jail card! You had us in the scrum, but our backs played well and our defence, very good atmosphere today like a good old cup game! Good luck in Nat 1 next year, I feel Cantabury will get the 2nd spot, for us we gave a goof platform to build on next season.

Nick
GTH


I take it Henley have never benefitted from a missed knock-on judging by your protestations?

Protestations? Reads like someone explaining what they saw and felt whilst congratulating their opponents.


Posted By: The Hawks
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 08:03
Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:



This is going to be my last statement on this. Our player was tackled by a Rans player who knocked it forward in the tackle, which was picked up and scored in the corner. Let’s move on now and look forward to next weeks game at TJ’s.[/QUOTE]

Nick, I reviewed the match at 02.00 this morning (no, I don't have a life!), Nick Wood the referee, who had a very good game I thought, ruled that the RAMS player knocked the the Hawks players arms backwards in the tackle, the pictures appear to confirm that, and on that basis, referee's who are good, DO NOT make marginal calls .... Hawks fans will think it's a knock on, RAMS fans will think arms knocked back in the tackle, which just looking at it again, it does seem more probable ...

Henley played fantastically well, particularly in the lineout and pushed us to the limit, personally, a draw was probably a fair result but those are so hard to get in rugby, maybe, just maybe our superior fitness told in those last 10 minutes ...

Rugby was the ultimate winner, with a massive crowd treated to a top quality game of Level 4 rugby ...

Ash Rowden[/QUOTE]

Clive/Ash

Thank you very much for your comments, it’s nice having the joys of watching the video, which I don’t have access to, but again on the split decision the ref had, to us it looked like a knock on by your player, joys of level 4 with no TMO!
I echo your comments, it was a fantastic game of rugby, Henley threw the kitchen sink at you, especially our backs, who made numerous breaks through your defence, but some excellent tackles when the line was inches away, that’s why you are top of the league!, you dominated the scrum, which surprised me and like you say we dominated the line out. Nice to see the crowd was just under 1200, according to our Facebook page, which gave a real cup atmosphere.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

Nick.

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