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Topic: SKY TV
Posted By: Member728
Subject: SKY TV
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 18:32
Does anyone know if they are showing any Championship games this season ?

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Posted By: Albert Fishwick
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 18:42
They have announced that they are re-jigging their line-up so there will be dedicated channels for soccer (2), golf and cricket.  Everything else (including, presumably, both codes of rugby) will apparently be on something called Arena.  Whether this means they will have any space to fill, and therefore be tempted to show Championship rugby, I know not, but I wouldn't hold my breath.


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Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 19:09
Sky have lost the rights for both European competitions from 2018 onwards. So obviously a RE think on rugby.

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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 10:24
Also - I'm guessing the fact that there won't be any playoff games to show will make the Championship less tempting.


Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 11:07
So sad that there is not a rugby channel as there is in NZ, there are so many games that could be shown that are recorded each week. Production costs would be negligible as GKC games and Nat 1 games have to be recorded anyway.

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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 11:21
Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

So sad that there is not a rugby channel as there is in NZ, there are so many games that could be shown that are recorded each week. Production costs would be negligible as GKC games and Nat 1 games have to be recorded anyway.

Someone who has worked with broadcasters writes....

We've been through this before - there's an audience of literally about 6 people that would watch a one-camera, fixed position, no commentary stream of a run of the mill Championship game.

Streaming such would simultaneously trash Sky's brand in terms of production values, value-add, etc, and the response of the casual punter to coming across such a broadcast while idly flipping through the channels can only be imagined....

If clubs want to do it themselves then no one's stopping them, but IIRC from the last time this was discussed on here, *people who had actually done it* at both Mose and I think Jersey said that it's nowhere near as straightforward as people make it sound and technologically difficult to do regularly without salaried people who know what they're doing. 

So, there's the brand side - would Sky, BT, whoever want to do it? Is it in their interests?

There's the cost side - because it's *really* not as simple as saying "it's all being filmed anyway, let's just get it out there instead of sitting on it." Not as a watchable package to the standard the viewing public expects it isn't. So it's going to take manpower and money.

Then, and this is the real elephant in the room, there's the rugby side. We all love our clubs and spend our hard earned money going to watch them. But we're the minority (and we're already going to be there). Go back to the days of Rugby Special and they cherry picked the big matches to show. I'd argue there's little visual spectacle except for the already converted in watching two teams of unknowns playing in front of <2,000 people in an antiquated ground. 

Especially if, as is usually the case, the cameras are on the same side as the one stand and so the backdrop for the viewing public is about 3 hardy souls standing in the rain....

I'd imagine the RFU would step in at this point because showing such matches in tier 2 or 3 is not going to be good for the wider perception of the game in terms of health or popularity. Harsh, but I think probably true.


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Posted By: PlangentThrowback
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 11:47
What he said.


Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 12:00
billesleyexile I will bow to your knowledge, in the Antipodeans it seems to be more about showing the game as opposed to the broadcaster feeling they are giving an inferior product - but then again their premier packages are not quite the same as ours.

As you say maybe the RFU may make them available.

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Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 12:01
I'm thinking of ditching Sky atm, it's only the cricket that we watch, of which "Bumbles" commentary is worth the subscription alone. Hopefully BT can eventually gain the international games & it's job done. Just no real numbers for the championship to make it viable.

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Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 12:53
I can't help but feel that some sort of Championship highlights package (using a voice over rather than a commentator) should be feasible. The official GKIPA Champ twitter feed has a tries of the week video clip so logically only a small extension to what is already happening.

Small steps but without media coverage the league will always struggle.


Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 13:18
Originally posted by Trailfinder Trailfinder wrote:

I can't help but feel that some sort of Championship highlights package (using a voice over rather than a commentator) should be feasible. The official GKIPA Champ twitter feed has a tries of the week video clip so logically only a small extension to what is already happening.

Small steps but without media coverage the league will always struggle.

Maybe, but who's going to watch it? The aggregate figures of the people interested enough to have actually gone to the weekend's 6 matches isn't impressive... I get that there has to be an element of "build it and they will come" but broadcasting increasingly doesn't have the patience to do that (they want instant success) and I still think that when it comes down to it the Champ and N1 aren't really fit to be seen in terms of crowds or infrastructure. More media coverage *might* grow interest, but I suspect it's equally likely that it *might* just hammer a few more nails in - so be careful what you wish for!

There are things that can be done though - Mose have their own YouTube channel and upload their highlights after pretty well every match, home and away. 

In the 21st century *any* club not doing at least that is basically firing into their own feet on a weekly basis.* Instead of pushing for broadcasters to take seriously something that probably 10,000 people a weekend can be bothered to go and watch live, real progress could be made closer to home by lobbying your clubs to up their game on the things they *can* control...

*although given the blood-out-of-a-stone pathological secrecy of at least a couple of Champ/N1 clubs I could but won't name, I'm not holding my breath.


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Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2017 at 09:25
2 Ealing games live on Sky announced

http://www.ealingtrailfinders1stxv.com/news/2017-18-fixtures-update


Posted By: Bartman
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2017 at 16:38
Yep Sky are showing Championship rugby because the fixture dates are already being changed because of it

http://www.bristolrugby.co.uk/news/september-fixtures-selected-for-sky-sports-coverage/" rel="nofollow - http://www.bristolrugby.co.uk/news/september-fixtures-selected-for-sky-sports-coverage/


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Posted By: Surreyben
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 09:10
Really surprised Bristol v Hartpury has been chosen!


Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 13:14
Originally posted by Surreyben Surreyben wrote:

Really surprised Bristol v Hartpury has been chosen!
It's the obsession with the relegated Premiership club - SKY seems to think they're the only one worth bothering with.


Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 14:38
Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by Surreyben Surreyben wrote:

Really surprised Bristol v Hartpury has been chosen!
It's the obsession with the relegated Premiership club - SKY seems to think they're the only one worth bothering with.

That and a local derby - Bristol and Hartpury's fans coming together for an electric atmosphere.


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 15:51
I am sure that both will be electric - Hartpury's fans I mean.

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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 15:58
Cynics. Quite amusing though. 

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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 15:59
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I am sure that both will be electric - Hartpury's fans I mean.

I've met their fans(!) - and in all honesty they are lovely people. Absolutely no criticism whatsoever from me for the people who go and watch Hartpury. I will admit that my tongue was slightly in my cheek that there aren't more of them though!




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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 16:01
Are they married?

(You started it).

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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 16:03
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Cynics. Quite amusing though. 

In the nicest possible way, I'm not sorry to have lost Hartpury to better things (suspect the Champ clubs are in for a culture shock though). 


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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 16:05
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Are they married?

(You started it).

Funnily enough, most of them did seem to be the parents of players.


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Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 16:29
I'm looking forward to going to Hartpury. I love that beautifull part of the country and we've not had anyone in our league in that area for many years. Not bothered of the ground isn't top notch - I'm sure we've been to a lot worse in 50 years of following The Pirates around the country.


Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 16:44
Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

I'm looking forward to going to Hartpury. I love that beautifull part of the country and we've not had anyone in our league in that area for many years. Not bothered of the ground isn't top notch - I'm sure we've been to a lot worse in 50 years of following The Pirates around the country.

I get that - everyone should look forward to going to every new ground the first time. 


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 17:04
Many fans throughout the league are parents and nothing wrong with that.
There are more than two travelling fans and they were very pleasant.
I got the impression some of them were staff rather than parents.
What they do not have is cadre of former players.


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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2017 at 08:26
Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

I'm looking forward to going to Hartpury. I love that beautifull part of the country and we've not had anyone in our league in that area for many years. Not bothered of the ground isn't top notch - I'm sure we've been to a lot worse in 50 years of following The Pirates around the country.

I get that - everyone should look forward to going to every new ground the first time. 
I'm going to Hartpury's home match against Jersey on 9th September so any guidance on travel to and from the ground from Gloucester railway station would be appreciated as I have to catch a train back to Southampton that evening. Hartpury had a few Jersey lads in their squad last year and it will be great to see them in action again. Notes on good pie shops near Gloucester railway station also appreciated.

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Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2017 at 08:56
Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

I'm looking forward to going to Hartpury. I love that beautifull part of the country and we've not had anyone in our league in that area for many years. Not bothered of the ground isn't top notch - I'm sure we've been to a lot worse in 50 years of following The Pirates around the country.


I get that - everyone should look forward to going to every new ground the first time. 


I'm going to Hartpury's home match against Jersey on 9th September so any guidance on travel to and from the ground from Gloucester railway station would be appreciated as I have to catch a train back to Southampton that evening. Hartpury had a few Jersey lads in their squad last year and it will be great to see them in action again.
Notes on good pie shops near Gloucester railway station also appreciated.


I went to our game there by car last year so can't give you tips on public transport but it is quite rural so you might be better off to get a taxi from station.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2017 at 09:01
The college website recommends the 351 bus or a taxi

http://swanbrook.co.uk/gloucestershire-services/1296287



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Posted By: Barney Rubble
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2017 at 11:33
Hi Corp...

Not the easiest ground to get to if you are not in a car.  A taxi from Gloucester station is probably your best bet - it's around a 10-minute drive.  There are buses from a company called Swanbrook, but they are pretty few and far between on a Saturday.

There's a good pub in Hartpury village - The Royal Exchange - which does excellent food but is about 10-15 minutes walk from the campus.  The ground itself is extremely pleasant and you'll receive a warm welcome.  If you are not booked in for lunch, however, the food option at the ground comes from behind the bar (very limited) or from Lloyd's trusty burger van.  I'm sure there will be other options close to the station at Gloucester.

We obviously don't get the crowds that many Champ teams will be getting as we've only been in existence, as a club, for 13 seasons.  Many, perhaps most, of our former players are still playing rugby somewhere, so don't often get a chance to turn up for matches either - this will change over the years ahead.  Helpfully, the fixture schedulers try to ensure that we and Gloucester play at home on the same days throughout the season...

We are very excited about the coming season and looking forward to Jersey being our first ever Championship visitors on 9th September...



Posted By: Member728
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2017 at 11:36
corporal carrot
Would not recommend the bus they are only every 2 hours going there
the problem is the last buses are 16.25 17.53 18.30
also it a bit of a trek to get to the stop as it quite a way from the campus
 


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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2017 at 18:41
Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

I'm looking forward to going to Hartpury. I love that beautifull part of the country and we've not had anyone in our league in that area for many years. Not bothered of the ground isn't top notch - I'm sure we've been to a lot worse in 50 years of following The Pirates around the country.


I get that - everyone should look forward to going to every new ground the first time. 


I'm going to Hartpury's home match against Jersey on 9th September so any guidance on travel to and from the ground from Gloucester railway station would be appreciated as I have to catch a train back to Southampton that evening. Hartpury had a few Jersey lads in their squad last year and it will be great to see them in action again.
Notes on good pie shops near Gloucester railway station also appreciated.


Train to Gloucester then a long taxi fare (approx £25 each way) - you could investigate the bus routes (bus station is close to railway station)

Hartpury really is in the middle of nowhere hence lack of fans.

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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2017 at 21:53
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

 

Train to Gloucester then a long taxi fare (approx £25 each way) - you could investigate the bus routes (bus station is close to railway station)

Hartpury really is in the middle of nowhere hence lack of fans.

bit puzzled by all the comments about Hartpury's location/access. G-maps tells me it's 5.2 miles from Gloucester Station, and estimates a 14-minute journey time. Personally I wouldn't describe that as a 'long' taxi ride or 'the middle of nowhere'… 

As before, I'm really looking forward to experiencing a new ground! Smile


Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2017 at 21:58
From previous experience taxi is best. More than one person makes it cheap. It's getting to Gloucester that can be a bind from where I am.


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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2017 at 07:58
Well I will travel on the supporters coach to Hartpury so shouldn't have any issues - looking forward to visiting a new ground.

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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2017 at 08:06
Oh and then they can come an play on possibly the newest laid pitch in the championship

https://www.drfc.co.uk/news/article/dktv-pitch-renovation-weeks-two-week-five




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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 19:24
I have been to Hartpury several times from West London to see both Ealing Trailfinders and Loughborough students ( National League 1 side and their Wednesday BUCS team ) play. The bar / club house is towards one end of the seating/ stand. The covered seating is part of the entrance fee and no further charge to sit like some Championship grounds. The rest of the pitch is open to the elements.

There is a mobile burger, pie, sausage bar on the same side as the stand. We have stopped at a pub and had lunch very close to the ground.

The Gloucester rugby club training ground is adjacent and visible from the stand. There was a particularly good prop from Ealing who joined Hartpury and had a job at the college, Tim Brockett , originally from Dings Crusaders. 



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Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2017 at 11:38
On a nice day, it's fun to be there.I found everyone very pleasant.For some reason Mond do better there than at home -one big win a few seasons ago  then a crucial promotion victory at the end of the season before last.


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Posted By: Bartman
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 16:14
http://www.bristolrugby.co.uk/news/festive-clash-selected-for-sky-sports-coverage/" rel="nofollow - http://www.bristolrugby.co.uk/news/festive-clash-selected-for-sky-sports-coverage/

Just when you thought you had a nice Saturday afternoon festive fixture, good old SKY go and f**k it up for you. Feel really sorry for Pirates supporters, can't see many now coming up on the Friday night before Christmas.
Is it really worth all the fuss having SKY show matches when this happens Angry


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Posted By: Donnyknightsfan
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 17:25
Originally posted by Bartman Bartman wrote:

http://www.bristolrugby.co.uk/news/festive-clash-selected-for-sky-sports-coverage/" rel="nofollow - http://www.bristolrugby.co.uk/news/festive-clash-selected-for-sky-sports-coverage/

Just when you thought you had a nice Saturday afternoon festive fixture, good old SKY go and f**k it up for you. Feel really sorry for Pirates supporters, can't see many now coming up on the Friday night before Christmas.
Is it really worth all the fuss having SKY show matches when this happens Angry


I don't want to sound rude and I am not criticising Bristol in any way so Bris fans don't be offended by this but I have to say the focus from Sky on Bristol is rather irritating for the fans of the other Championship Clubs. that's 4 games which have been announced by Sky now and 3 of them feature Bristol. does sky realise that there are 11 other teams in this league who deserve some air time. the focus on Bristol this season is really bugging me. I know Briz are the best team in this league but it would be nice if the TV exposure was shared about more equally.


Posted By: Donnyknightsfan
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 17:27
i'm surprised that Briz v Pirates has been selected. if Sky wanted to show a festive fixture they could do worse than visit Clifton Lane on 23rd December to screen Roth v Donny. Actually i'm curious why hasn't Sky televised from Clifton Lane more often? the only game I can remember being televised from there was Roth v Bris in 2014. if I remember correctly the other Roth home games that have been picked for TV have had to be played at Abbeydale.


Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 17:41
Sky are going to cover Briz (because its good for advertising revenue) & games in and around their studio in West London (because its cheap). I can't see them paying to send staff and equipment over the water to St Peter and as I have already booked and paid for flights to the Jersey away matches to get reasonable priced tickets I personally hope they don't cover any of Jersey's away games as Sky invariably want to change the date or kick off time and it would significantly increase the cost and result in me missing the game. I hope the announcement by Sky on the Pirates match is in good time so that away supporters haven't committed to expensive travel and accommodation costs. Sky should sort out their schedule before the end of July IMO.

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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 17:48
Problem his CC, Sky dont give a toss about genuine fans, home or away.


Posted By: Albert Fishwick
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 18:08
I think the cricket club object to heavy lorries ploughing up the outfield at Clifton Lane in a muddy winter, and Sky are probably no keener at the prospect of setting it all up with nothing that would offer a ready-made camera position.


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Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 18:17
Bris v Pirates (now changed to Dec 22nd)  on SKY. Actually I think the 22nd is better for anyone going from Cornwall. Getting back at midnight on the 23rd would have put some off. Now it's on telly, though, I guess many of us will stay home in the warm and watch it.


Posted By: Xavi Bullo
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 05:39
Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Bris v Pirates (now changed to Dec 22nd)  on SKY. Actually I think the 22nd is better for anyone going from Cornwall. Getting back at midnight on the 23rd would have put some off. Now it's on telly, though, I guess many of us will stay home in the warm and watch it.


Until Network Rail announces it's Christmas & New Year engineering work program   


Posted By: Donnyknightsfan
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 21:49
2 Donny games now confirmed for Sky Television:

Donny v Pirates - now Sunday 29th October 3pm
Donny v Leeds Carnegie - now Friday 29th December 7.45pm KO.

ironically they were the two fixtures that were televised at Castle Park last season (not including play-offs). hope to see plenty of Pirates and Carnegie fans at CP for those two fixtures. should be two cracking games IMO.


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 22:04
Carnegie v Knights are also on the RFU FB feed this weekend.


Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 08:54
Are Sky broadcasting the game at VW today. The RFU seem to suggest it;
http://www.championshiprugby.co.uk/#/round/4" rel="nofollow - http://www.championshiprugby.co.uk/#/round/4
but its not obvious from Sky.


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Posted By: chas
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 09:00
Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Are Sky broadcasting the game at VW today. The RFU seem to suggest it;
http://www.championshiprugby.co.uk/#/round/4" rel="nofollow - http://www.championshiprugby.co.uk/#/round/4
but its not obvious from Sky.

On Sky mix  Sky Channel 121


Posted By: High Heidjin
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 10:36
Originally posted by chas chas wrote:

Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Are Sky broadcasting the game at VW today. The RFU seem to suggest it;
http://www.championshiprugby.co.uk/#/round/4" rel="nofollow - http://www.championshiprugby.co.uk/#/round/4
but its not obvious from Sky.

On Sky mix  Sky Channel 121
It was also on Sky Sports Action HD Channel and was filmed by Sky. Sky Mix is a new free-to-air channel they are trying out. Loads of people had difficulty in finding the channel. Not good !


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Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 10:48
I watched the match but it wasn’t free.

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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 12:10
It was included in my Virgin Media package, which was great because the game being moved to Sunday caused a clash with the NFL game at Wembley, so I watched it on TiVo. The quality of the coverage was good, but they had a lot of technical difficulties. A surprise as they are only about 3 miles from the Sky offices.


Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2019 at 17:33
Irish v Reds game is confirmed on Sky on Sunday January 27th, with k-o 15 mins earlier than originally scheduled at 1.45pm. Just the 2nd time in 6.5 seasons that we'll have been on Sky, the other being the famous double-header weekend in Sept '13 when we played Plymouth at Sandy Pk.


Posted By: Standing On The 40
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2019 at 18:59
I note the Bedford v Coventry match on the 26th has now been removed from the sky listing.....


Posted By: spy28482
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 15:52
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Irish v Reds game is confirmed on Sky on Sunday January 27th, with k-o 15 mins earlier than originally scheduled at 1.45pm. Just the 2nd time in 6.5 seasons that we'll have been on Sky, the other being the famous double-header weekend in Sept '13 when we played Plymouth at Sandy Pk.

Brilliant! Hope to see a decent Jersey turn out. Thumbs Up

Yes I remember the Sandy Park game. There was a tip tackle on a Jersey player made by an Albion player which should have seen a red card. Maybe Dave Felton if I recall correctly? Wow that takes me back!


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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 20:27
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Irish v Reds game is confirmed on Sky on Sunday January 27th, with k-o 15 mins earlier than originally scheduled at 1.45pm. Just the 2nd time in 6.5 seasons that we'll have been on Sky, the other being the famous double-header weekend in Sept '13 when we played Plymouth at Sandy Pk.
It seems churlish to whinge about the lack of  sky time when they have finally decided to broadcast a Jersey match.  I'm going to Reading to see it anyway but will hope to see a replay of a Jersey win when I get home and perhaps a beer a two. I hope Sean opens the clubhouse at St Peter that day and it absolutely rocks. Treat me gently in Reading please.



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