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    Posted: 06 Oct 2020 at 08:51

Premier 15s to restart on Saturday with adapted laws and no testing



Is this good news for community rugby of the male variety? If the adaptations allow non professional players resume playing surely NCA clubs and below should consider this route.
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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Premier 15s to restart on Saturday with adapted laws and no testing



Is this good news for community rugby of the male variety? If the adaptations allow non professional players resume playing surely NCA clubs and below should consider this route.

Whilst this is good news that this area of the game is restarting. 
The honest question is how long do you think its going to be before one player tests positive and then the rest of that squad have to spend 14 days in Isolation?
Its not an issue if you are a full time pro, but from what I understand not all sides are full time. Many contain sports teachers in their ranks. 
Believe me I want Saturday rugby back as soon as, but I honestly think this is going to become a major issue inside 3 weeks of the restart!

Also have they thought how you travel to ares that are in lock down at present!


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I say, in the interests of gender equality, if its good enough for the women then it is good enough for the community men's game.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2020 at 19:27
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

I say, in the interests of gender equality, if its good enough for the women then it is good enough for the community men's game.


I quite agree - certainly if things go ok for the next few weeks there is no reason leagues shouldn't start in January.

Also, just read live indoor concerts with crowds to start in London - where's the logic?

EPL are up in arms, justifiably so.
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As posted elsewhere : After todays events at Sale.

Yet the RFU are restarting Womens rugby at the weekend, with .. No testing just a temp test and are you feeling ok today?

Can somebody tell me how long they think its going last before at least 50% of the sides are shut down.

Total madness !!!

Whoever has made that call wants to make themselves totally accountable for what happens!!
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To be fair the RFU is trying to balance players' physical health with their mental health and also the survival of the game. If we simply say don't play until we have a vaccine, how many players will we have left interested in playing the game? Most other sports are opening up and allowing participation and competition. At least by trialling amended rules in the Allianz Premiership we may find a route back to rugby for the larger community sector. The players I talk to are desperate to play, I know of only two who have had to self-isolate because a contact tested positive and there is a view among them that it's worth the risk. The bigger issue will be the spectators who tend to be in the at-risk age groups and so much more cautious about exposure. We need their attendance at matches and the pre- and post-match activities to generate the income needed to pay the players and support staff. Working out how to look after them is the bigger problem, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

To be fair the RFU is trying to balance players' physical health with their mental health and also the survival of the game. If we simply say don't play until we have a vaccine, how many players will we have left interested in playing the game? Most other sports are opening up and allowing participation and competition. At least by trialling amended rules in the Allianz Premiership we may find a route back to rugby for the larger community sector. The players I talk to are desperate to play, I know of only two who have had to self-isolate because a contact tested positive and there is a view among them that it's worth the risk. The bigger issue will be the spectators who tend to be in the at-risk age groups and so much more cautious about exposure. We need their attendance at matches and the pre- and post-match activities to generate the income needed to pay the players and support staff. Working out how to look after them is the bigger problem, IMHO.

Well said Halliford - this sort of realistic but can-do attitude is spot-on IMHO. Far better than people wailing about "total madness" and trying to legitimise their views with multiple exclamation marks, or the equally tiresome "meddle with the rules over my dead body" brigade...
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

To be fair the RFU is trying to balance players' physical health with their mental health and also the survival of the game. If we simply say don't play until we have a vaccine, how many players will we have left interested in playing the game? Most other sports are opening up and allowing participation and competition. At least by trialling amended rules in the Allianz Premiership we may find a route back to rugby for the larger community sector. The players I talk to are desperate to play, I know of only two who have had to self-isolate because a contact tested positive and there is a view among them that it's worth the risk. The bigger issue will be the spectators who tend to be in the at-risk age groups and so much more cautious about exposure. We need their attendance at matches and the pre- and post-match activities to generate the income needed to pay the players and support staff. Working out how to look after them is the bigger problem, IMHO.

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Well said Halliford - this sort of realistic but can-do attitude is spot-on IMHO. Far better than people wailing about "total madness" and trying to legitimise their views with multiple exclamation marks, or the equally tiresome "meddle with the rules over my dead body" brigade...


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Before the new campaign as even begun, the fixture between Bristol Bears Women and Wasps FC Ladies has been postponed after one Bristol player tested positive.

Islander please! 

Everybody wants this game back on and being played.
It will also give you something to write about as well over a weekend!

But please face facts it’s a massive problem and nobody has an answer to it.
I wish we did.

By not testing these ladies, this will become a big issue.
I think it will set the game below the Premier back, because everybody will become even more cautious.
Many that are not full time players are sports teachers.
Where are they going on a Monday morning? 

I rest my case 


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Coronavirus: Rapid bedside test shows promise in hospitals

The rapid tests were publicised a few weeks ago - and aiming for 20 minute turnaround. 
They 'could' be a game changer.............and seem to be getting there with trials with 2 hour results looking promising. 
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Bill this is potential good news but only if the cost is right. Currently Premiership test costs nearly £90 per person per week-not too many clubs below Premiership can contemplate funding that and I cannot see the RFU being able to afford to help.
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Bill, promising news for who? Are we confusing having a test that tells someone they have Covid with taking a vaccine to stop you from contracting it?

A negative Test that takes a week or 5 minutes is out of date as soon as you interact with someone else. Look at the Universities! Lets say 1% (25) of the 25000 students who turned up at Newcastle Uni less than  month ago may have had Covid/symptoms, they partied/played sport/interacted with each other all following SD guidelines and boom they now have over 1200 cases including a dozen staff.

I fear the Premier 15s is a Test to see what would happen if the game was allowed to return without a vaccine. Hardly a good start one game down before a ball is punted down field. First case of cross infection then game over. 99% of the players in the Premier 15s have other jobs, like Medics, Physios, Teachers and so on. Sorry for the downer but no vaccine = no game!


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Given that finding a vaccine that works for another coronavirus - HIV - has been going on for 35 years without success, how long should we wait for a vaccine? We have to learn to live with Covid-19, as we have with other viruses. starting to play may hep us all learn about transmission and immunity.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Given that finding a vaccine that works for another coronavirus - HIV - has been going on for 35 years without success, how long should we wait for a vaccine? We have to learn to live with Covid-19, as we have with other viruses. starting to play may hep us all learn about transmission and immunity.


Interesting point, as the vast majority of younger people who get covid-19 have either no symptoms or very slight perhaps you are correct - let people play (some may chose not t, but that is down to them.

Also allow crowds in - older people such as myself would make our own minds up whether we attend or not.

Basically, let people make their own choices rather than be dictated to!
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Given that finding a vaccine that works for another coronavirus - HIV - has been going on for 35 years without success, how long should we wait for a vaccine? We have to learn to live with Covid-19, as we have with other viruses. starting to play may hep us all learn about transmission and immunity.


Interesting point, as the vast majority of younger people who get covid-19 have either no symptoms or very slight perhaps you are correct - let people play (some may chose not t, but that is down to them.

Also allow crowds in - older people such as myself would make our own minds up whether we attend or not.

Basically, let people make their own choices rather than be dictated to!

I think you’ll find lots of young people are being hospitalised right now.
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Young people also live with older ones usually and they look after their parents who are in their seventies that is how it spreads to the high risk groups.
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I think you’ll find lots of young people are being hospitalised right now.
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And this is one of the biggest issues of this pandemic.
Please look at the great stats that are coming out of NHS England before making comments like the above.

Yes we have a problem but it is only effecting a very small amount of young people, with those effected usually with underlying conditions.

The stats don't lie, this is a virus that is effecting the 60+ age bracket.

Happy to be corrected if you can direct me to the stats that contradict my statement. 



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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Given that finding a vaccine that works for another coronavirus - HIV - has been going on for 35 years without success, how long should we wait for a vaccine? We have to learn to live with Covid-19, as we have with other viruses. starting to play may hep us all learn about transmission and immunity.


Interesting point, as the vast majority of younger people who get covid-19 have either no symptoms or very slight perhaps you are correct - let people play (some may chose not t, but that is down to them.

Also allow crowds in - older people such as myself would make our own minds up whether we attend or not.

Basically, let people make their own choices rather than be dictated to!

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Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

I think you’ll find lots of young people are being hospitalised right now.

And this is one of the biggest issues of this pandemic.
Please look at the great stats that are coming out of NHS England before making comments like the above.

Yes we have a problem but it is only effecting a very small amount of young people, with those effected usually with underlying conditions.

The stats don't lie, this is a virus that is effecting the 60+ age bracket.

Happy to be corrected if you can direct me to the stats that contradict my statement. 

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They simply don’t know the effects of this disease yet.

And all those young people will keep it rolling around to effect the older people who might die of it.

Oh and all those people with underlying conditions they don’t yet know about.

But just crack on so a few lads can earn their rugby money hey?
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Nothing to do with money at all....not sure where you got that from.

But carry on? Yes for me with all of the restrictions in place that can be until the vaccine opens up the elderly. 

The 21st September press conference chart showing a possible scenario of United Kingdom COVID-19 positives doubling every 7 days under a no intervention situation.

12,872 positives reported today (11 Oct), 68% lower than the 40.8k scenario daily total that was expected. This is most probably due to the local lock down measures in place.

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