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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wigwam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2019 at 13:05
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I think many supportersof clubs at level 2,3,and 4 enjoy the travelling and obviously have the choice not to travel.

The players accept it as part of playing at this level and the hope to move on up.

Butthere are a number of clubs especially at levels 5 and below who find the travel at their level onourous.
Especially Midlands clubs who find themselves at risk of being level transferred to the South West.

It is a long way to Cornwall, and the midlands clubs find this is something of a shock. Especially as it is often the newly promoted club that gets transferred.

We also have the problems in the North West at level 7 which led to a breakaway.

I am not sure there is  a single answer that pelases everyone.


Maybe change the number of leagues below level 4 but leave those above alone, it is a great competition, travelling is part of the charm.
 
 
My sentiments entirely !!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2019 at 11:07
A trip to Redruth in November is going to be a trek, do the rfu subsidize an overnight stay or two?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2019 at 12:05
Depending on milage - but subsidize is the word. In no way does the payment cover the cost.
The figures used to be on the NCA website, but I cannot find them.

IIRC above a certain distance there is an extra allowance of £30 x 22 towards hotel expences for team, subs and two travelling coaches. And then at the second threshold the same for a seond night,
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Griffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jun 2019 at 15:24
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

I have calculated the mileage and it is extremely close between Leicester Lions and Hinckley.

Hinckley just shade it being a total of 2.1 miles shorter distance.

Are the Level Transfer regulations the same in National 2 as all the other RFU leagues? 
I get that Hinckley are about 2 miles further but in that case Hinckley and Leicester Lions are regarded as being identical (Hinckley within 2%). It then goes on the mileage in the home league where the lowest mileage club stays in their home league. By this measure Leicester Lions have the lowest in their home league and should stay in their home league and Hinckley should be level transferred.

I could of course be talking nonsense.Smile


North clubs Mileage to =>South
Reduced by 2%
Regarded as Identical to the lowest.
Leicester Lions RFC4053.9
Hinckley RFC4055.13974.0YES
Stourbridge RFC4172.94089.4NO
Loughborough Students RFC4410.14321.9NO
Teams with Identical Lowest Total Mileage to South
Total Mileage in North
Team to be level transferred by criteria (i)

Teams with lowest Mileage in North stay in North.
Leicester Lions RFC3202.4
Hinckley RFC3212.5


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote French Connection Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jun 2019 at 21:43
None of the above really matters as the decision has been made by the RFU and it's done. Apparently if the mileage is within 2% the clubs are considered equal, and if that's the case then the club finishing higher in the previous season have the choice. Hinckley chose to stay in the North as would any other club in that position.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jun 2019 at 22:37
It has to be said, any team with aspirations to play in Nat 1 would have to get used to travelling the length and breadth of the country, so playing in South could be just the sort of test the Lions need to see where they are in the bigger picture. They had a shocking start to the season last term and really put together some great performances in the latter part of the season, keep on the latter road and who knows.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Griffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jun 2019 at 22:39
Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

None of the above really matters as the decision has been made by the RFU and it's done. Apparently if the mileage is within 2% the clubs are considered equal, and if that's the case then the club finishing higher in the previous season have the choice. Hinckley chose to stay in the North as would any other club in that position.  


AH!Ah! I've worked out why I'm wrong. The 2% rule must also apply to the Lowest Total Mileage in the home league as well and in that case Hinckley and Leicester Lions are Identical. If I'd read your post correctly that is what you meant. Then as you say it goes on the team which finished highest.

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Signings seem a bit quiet at the moment. Are most players staying put? Lots of twitter feeds announcing re-signings but not much new. Any incite from anyone?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2019 at 22:08
We have a few new additions at Hinckley but a lot of us still caught up in county rugby, so aim to have something out in the next few weeks once that is all tied up. Most of current squad have also re-signed, new coaching team as well in place lead by Scott Hamilton who as I think everyone knows by now has taken over as the Director of Rugby
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote French Connection Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 14:57
Wow - that sounds great for the club Stato.  I wonder who is in the new coaching team?  I'd heard that they had acquired some really top class individuals - do you have any info?
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A trip to Redruth in November is going to be a trek, do the rfu subsidize an overnight stay or two?

Yes it will be, but Redruth do similar on many other weeks, 10 trips next season over 255 miles (one way that is).
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Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

Wow - that sounds great for the club Stato.  I wonder who is in the new coaching team?  I'd heard that they had acquired some really top class individuals - do you have any info?

apparently some bloke coming back who has been away for a while, got bored of Saturday's wandering around Ikea, or that's what my sources are telling me anyway
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Stato tell us more! Is this is a result of Brexit? Has the attraction of red wine and posh cheeses waned? We need to know.

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Originally posted by oldman oldman wrote:

Stato tell us more! Is this is a result of Brexit? Has the attraction of red wine and posh cheeses waned? We need to know.

The red wine, cheese and endless sunshine here make that a complete non starter I'm happy to say. Brexit makes it even more so.  Although though it's the only thing you ever talk about over there it's a total non event here and no one mentions it, and that's a great reason to stay.
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Originally posted by oldman oldman wrote:

Stato tell us more! Is this is a result of Brexit? Has the attraction of red wine and posh cheeses waned? We need to know.

A big money offer I believe was made to the former DoR including the offering of as much red wine as possible however I think RC Trignac is now fulling his rugby desires. 

Scott Hamilton took over from George Chuter as DoR at the end of the season as I believe is very well known now. Chris Campbell who was coach from 2012-2017 has returned to coach the 1st XV, whilst Ben Avent who started his coaching journey this season following his retirement is also assisting. 

Emyr Lewis continues his supporting role with the backs, whilst another former player Blaine Bonnin-Ward is also begin his coaching journey with the colts and 2nd XV, who will also have the support of Darren GrewHuckleberry. 

We should have got round to putting this on the website but was one of those which we didn't get done!
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The travel allowance for last year was as follows: This year it will be reduced by 30%
Mileage
travel Overnight 
150-  200

£330  £0
200-250

£413  £0
250-300

£495  £0
300-350

£578  £0
350-400

£660  £0
400-450

£880 £0
450-500

£990 £575
500-600

£1,100 £575
600-700

£1,155 £575
700-800

£1,210 £1150
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oldman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jun 2019 at 11:47
Stato, thanks for update. As a former player I still look for the old clubs results, although I left the area for university and never returned.
Any news on players, new or re-signed? I notice their was a strong Hinckley representation in the Leicestershire team that won At Twickenham yesterday. Looking forward to reading of another successful season and continued developments.
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Originally posted by oldman oldman wrote:


Any news on players, new or re-signed? I notice their was a strong Hinckley representation in the Leicestershire team that won At Twickenham yesterday. Looking forward to reading of another successful season and continued developments.

I'll be interested to see how Jimmy Neal gets on there. Has recently moved to Hinckley from Cov Academy, where he was probably never going to get a go at a higher level. Good lad, who came back to Cov after studying/playing BUCS at Hartpury.
Son of a rather abrasive back-rower (but lovely bloke) I used to work with at Jag too, so will be following his progress with interest for that reason too!


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Originally posted by oldman oldman wrote:

Stato, thanks for update. As a former player I still look for the old clubs results, although I left the area for university and never returned.
Any news on players, new or re-signed? I notice their was a strong Hinckley representation in the Leicestershire team that won At Twickenham yesterday. Looking forward to reading of another successful season and continued developments.

The vast majority of last year's squad have re-signed, the only ones I believe who have moved on are Gareth Turner and Mark Deaville who have moved to take on coaching posts at Coalville and Belgrave - although disappointed to lose them it is great they are both using their considerable experience within the game, and Jack Dickinson has moved to Cambridge. 

In terms of new signings, there are a number - Jimmy Neal as has been mentioned has joined having played a good bit of last year on loan @ South, I am just waiting for a final list off Scott and then we will put something out of the website, just a couple more hopefully to get over the line whose signatures should be on paperwork this week. 

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