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Poll on the RFU &Yorkshire Carnegie - Event Date: 29 Jul 2019 - 30 Aug 2019

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Poll Question: Do you agree with the RFU allowing YC to play in the Championship
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131 [87.92%]
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11 [7.38%]
1 [0.67%]
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    Posted: 29 Jul 2019 at 16:53
A poll on the RFU's actions re Yorkshire Carnegie. I think the question is a simple and fair one and the possible responses are also balanced. Let's see what the strength of feeling is

Edited by Big Eddie - 29 Jul 2019 at 17:04
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I am going to continue to post regarding this poll to ensure it doesn't slip down the rankings and fall into disrepute. There are a lot of reasons why I think that the RFU's decision to allow Yorkshire Carnegie to continue in the Championship is disgraceful. 

I am going to list 5 such reasons please feel free to add to my list or set out a different point of view

1. The management of YC has shown no rationale why YC should be given £500k+ of RFU funding
2. Richmond are far more deserving of RFU support
3. With the support of the RFU YC has already disrupted Hull Ionians and are likely to disrupt a lot more northern clubs
4. The RFU's support for YC is a huge slap in the face for all rugby clubs that manage within their means
5. The RFU is massively cutting funding to levels 3 downwards but is prepared to let YC Pi** £500k+ of RFU funding up the wall
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6. kieron moore and calum mckenzie are contracted already absoltue disgrayce same will hull onions 
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we would have loved 500k at titans!
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Originally posted by TigerTitan TigerTitan wrote:

we would have loved 500k at titans!


I am sure any club would have liked 500k
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Allowed to continue after running a £6million debt but satisfied with a CVA when other clubs have fallen for a lot less ££££££ . AngryAngryAngryCensoredCensoredCensored
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fenboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 2019 at 18:18
So the RFU are bailing out a side (I won't use the word 'Club') who are in total thralldon to a Rugby League side. Anybody on a single visit to Headingley could not fail to notice how little the Union side is thought of.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 2019 at 20:03
Originally posted by TigerTitan TigerTitan wrote:

6. kieron moore and calum mckenzie are contracted already absoltue disgrayce same will hull onions 


Twit. That could be a spelling mistake.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 2019 at 20:21
Playing Devils Advocate some what. 

Yorkshire Carneigie are only following in a long line of clubs who have had financial difficulties and who subsequent restructured themselves to continue - and for those at the 'Championship' level - continued to recieve the RFU income.

I don't remember such vitroil aimed at those clubs in the past. What makes YC different?

The vast majority of the debt is to their main shareholder and the players will recieve something from the move - Can other clubs who went down similar routes say them same? 

Are people seriously wanting a(nother) club to disappear? 
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for a start   what makes them think  they represent  yorkshire  when there are  better run  clubs  who all stay within their means   
   as it stands  there dosn,t seem to be any punishment   if  no relegation next year 
   the  real possibility  of carnegie  simply  taking  already signed players from other northern clubs  and disrupting  pre season  plans  
 the sheer arrogance  of a club who last season bought their way out of a serious relegation scrap  and  couldnt pay for it   now  trying to buy a squad  to stay in the championship  when to be fair they should be  placed in  yorkshire division 5   
    of course its going to  rile   a lot of people   as the rfu  seem to  want leeds to survive  and fork out  half a million quid  to a  club who dosn,t deserve it    just think what that could  buy for several smaller  community clubs   
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Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

for a start   what makes them think  they represent  yorkshire  when there are  better run  clubs  who all stay within their means   
   as it stands  there dosn,t seem to be any punishment   if  no relegation next year 
   the  real possibility  of carnegie  simply  taking  already signed players from other northern clubs  and disrupting  pre season  plans  
 the sheer arrogance  of a club who last season bought their way out of a serious relegation scrap  and  couldnt pay for it   now  trying to buy a squad  to stay in the championship  when to be fair they should be  placed in  yorkshire division 5   
    of course its going to  rile   a lot of people   as the rfu  seem to  want leeds to survive  and fork out  half a million quid  to a  club who dosn,t deserve it    just think what that could  buy for several smaller  community clubs   

But other clubs have done similar and didn't recieve the same flack.

Do we criticise BIRMINGHAM Moseley for their name?

YC won't be able to "simply take" other clubs signed players.  They has to be an agreement in place for contracted players to move.  

The "no relegation next year" is simply conjecture at this point. We could see an wholesale re-organisation of the leagues by then if/when the Premiership ringfences or a British League is introduced. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 2019 at 21:22
Originally posted by TigerTitan TigerTitan wrote:

we would have loved 500k at titans!

Correct me if I am wrong, after Rotherham's finance troubles and restructure, they still recieved the RFU money.  Did you criticise and complain then?
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Richard calm down.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote greenpower Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 2019 at 21:34
most  clubs that  did similar were punished by the way of a servere points  deduction  which   inevitably relegated them or were placed  at the bottom of the  league structures  apart from plymouth albion who.s points deduction was totally meaningless  
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Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

most  clubs that  did similar were punished by the way of a servere points  deduction  which   inevitably relegated them or were placed  at the bottom of the  league structures  apart from plymouth albion who.s points deduction was totally meaningless  

Richmond and London Scottish were placed at the bottom of the league structure but their situation was different - technically the two clubs had merged into London Irish and the two clubs were "new". London Welsh went bust and didn't reform - but played on through their amatuer arm. 

Plymouth Albioin entered Administration - YC haven't. 
 
I'm struggling with others who had points deductions imposed.  Help me out. 
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launceston were one     coventry   15 points 2009

why were halifax placed at the bottom leagus ?


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Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

launceston were one

why were halifax placed at the bottom leagus ?

Launceston, according to Wikipedia, entered Administration and recieved a 20 points deduction. 

Halifax, after the death of their benefactor, withdrew from the leagues themselves and restarted at the bottom. 

Are there others?


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Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

Richard calm down.

I am trying to understand why so much venom aimed at YC, when other clubs have had similar financial difficulties (which may have led to players not being paid or underpaid) and they didn't face such a wrath of fury. 


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its probaly a northern hatred as a club with the audacity  to take the  yorksire name  has f.....d up   and  seem proud to do it 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 2019 at 22:10
Haywards Heath also withdrew from the leagues and dropped down to the bottom when their financial backer pulled out, likewise East Grinstead when the backer pulled out and took everything he bought with him (including the doors). 

If you can't afford to play at that level, you should admit it and pull out and start again gracefully rather than clinging on to torture your most loyal of fans by having the team get smashed every week for the next year.
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