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    Posted: 27 Nov 2018 at 21:35
As a long term season ticket holder I am interested to hear what people think of Albion's season so far. With two third place finishes in the last two seasons something has gone wrong this season. All is not lost, but we are only 3 points off the relegation zone. After a good pre-season and talk of promotion it's not gone to plan so far. Kieran Hallett gave a very honest assessment of the current situation after our home loss to Rosslyn Park at the weekend. We've lost our message board so here is the only place I can find to chat things through.
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I'm actually quite baffled at the performance so far of Albion this season, the move to 3 nights a week training hasn't helped or maybe it has..... (without it they could be even further down the league)

I feel that this season Nat 1 is probably the hardest league to get promoted from, the calibre of teams is IMO the strongest I've seen it with so many clubs that have level 2 infrastructure/pockets - OE's,Roth,Plymouth,Moseley,DMP,Chinnor!! - Possibly we could see a number of full/time outfits next season? - OE's are paying one player I know of £8,000 for the season (games dependant) and he's joined them from Nat 2.....

Rams have already warned their players of a big recruitment drive and the move to 3 nights a week training.

Could this be the end of semi-pro rugby in Nat 1??


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Nov 2018 at 22:36
£8,000 - does this represent a full-time wage? It's hardly going to pay the mortgage is it?
I know some players who were offered a similar amount to go full-time with a Championship Club but they preferred to look after their careers and stay semi-professional.
Some players are receiving more than that at Level 5.
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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

£8,000 - does this represent a full-time wage? It's hardly going to pay the mortgage is it?
I know some players who were offered a similar amount to go full-time with a Championship Club but they preferred to look after their careers and stay semi-professional.
Some players are receiving more than that at Level 5.
 

Sid James, sorry that's not what I meant. What I meant is the fact he is a fringe player and is on that. With the calibre of player they've signed i'm presuming they may have players already on £20k to £30k with a number working at Eltham College. Dom McGeekie from London Scottish an example working within the sports department at the college whilst playing for OE's. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Nov 2018 at 23:05
Surely a "fringe player" could also be full-time. Are you saying he is not full-time?
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At this moment, he's not full-time. The said player I don't believe has even featured in a competitive game.....


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I just don't think that Albion's recruitment was very good in the summer. A lot of youth that might develop into decent L3 players in a few seasons seem to have been put straight into the side putting too much pressure on the more experienced players.

I don't know what the system is for harnessing and developing young talent down at Brickfields but it appears to be heavily reliant on Chiefs' academy.

I'm guessing that the playing budget would be lower than most sides in the league now and that would obviously have an effect too.

I fear a season of (hopefully) hovering above the bottom 3. Looking at the fixture list December could be pivotal as to whether or not this will be achieved. The games in January, February and March might not yield many points.

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My team has struggled this season and you could say are similar to Plymouth. I think the teams promoted to the league have invariably been stronger than those relegated ,whether that is down to better financial backing or have good squads.I am sure there will be more twists as the season continues and surprises.
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On the OEs bit, on Twitter there is a link where they are offering up to £50k in partnership with St Mary’s Uni in West London to cover fees and accom etc. And an invitation to an open day.
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Will you be going to the open day Rabbie ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 It may satiate your thirst for knowledge of all things Old Elthamians.
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Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

On the OEs bit, on Twitter there is a link where they are offering up to £50k in partnership with St Mary’s Uni in West London to cover fees and accom etc. And an invitation to an open day.
 
I must say, off the field they're really pushing to establish themselves similar to Ealing as a club with the appropriate structures around itself to ensure a sustainable pathway for talent in the future. OE's with their U18s and this partnership with St Marys & Ealing with their U18s/U23s and the Brunel Partnership. 
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Originally posted by kingsheathlad kingsheathlad wrote:

My team has struggled this season and you could say are similar to Plymouth. I think the teams promoted to the league have invariably been stronger than those relegated ,whether that is down to better financial backing or have good squads.I am sure there will be more twists as the season continues and surprises.

Yes indeed, but I haven't got a clue what the problem is at Mose - the squad are too good for the league position, but they're not (or at least haven't been) playing like it.... Points against tells it's own story, but the number of games they've lost in the last 5 mins must be nearing double figures - slight exaggeration but not far off. Points for OTOH is up there with the better sides in the league.

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Sorry Ranger but will be giving the open day a miss struggle to meet some of the criteria as I’m to old to fat with my best playing days around 25 - 30 years behind me.
Don’t need to go anywhere as the OEs stories keep rolling in every time they talk to a player it’s common knowledge as funnily rugby is very incestuise and players cannot keep it to themselves then use it as bargaining chips when talking to others.
The story is they have already enquired about renting Rectory Field when work starts at College Meadow but that is way above my pay scale to discussi. I think cricket may not be to willing to sell as they are looking for more space for more teams
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Perhaps this tells a tale re. Albion, but posters seem to have taken this thread in a slightly selfish direction?😳
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Originally posted by kingsheathlad kingsheathlad wrote:

My team has struggled this season and you could say are similar to Plymouth. I think the teams promoted to the league have invariably been stronger than those relegated ,whether that is down to better financial backing or have good squads.I am sure there will be more twists as the season continues and surprises.


There have been a number of clubs with big budgets promoted from N2S in the past few seasons.

Better financial backing/good squads - I think the two go hand in hand.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Joy of (Level) 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Nov 2018 at 09:17
Apologies to posters for last evening's missive as it was rather impolite. I'm simply concerned about the way things are going down at Albion and the end of the unofficial forum, which was a decent source of opinion and information.
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Yes can’t believe Albion are at other half of table. Too many injuries, again players brought in from other clubs, played one or two games, and have know disappeared? What’s going on
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Baatalbion, what's your own take on the state of affairs at Brickfields?
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Retrieving last season's B Stortford v PARFC programme from the depths of the in-tray formed my personal perspective on our present predicament. Basically, we lost too many "heavyweights" (mostly brain/nouse/street smarts rather than pure brawn) from the playing squad over the summer. Whether the (mostly young - and probably inexpensive) replacements have the long-term mental and physical resilience is the $64k question.

That and a ton of injuries. Team sheet says Head Coach will run out at 10 tomorrow v Moseley. Kinda says it all...

Three years ago, we were the arch-exponents of 90 minute rugby at this level. (Beating Hartpury away the weekend before Xmas was particularly satisfying - the starting XV played the whole game, IIRC.) I would also say the fitness/quality quotient across the league is now markedly higher.

We've been close at times, but not for the full two halves, week on week. I would sincerely put down last week as the proverbial Bad Day at the Office (useful penalty kicked dead, near centre/FB collision under a high ball, to name but two). But there's no escaping that it's below par performance - and thinking.

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Must do better - or at least cut out the ropy bits, Albion.
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The Joy of (Level), my thoughts... Albion's pack have been seen to be going backwards at times this season (literally) which has been a problem, no dominance there as in previous seasons. Our injury list is significant with key players not available hence we have our coach playing at 10 today. Our back line is decent but little front-foot ball to play with. There's a lot of work for Herbie to do as our chief ball-carrier and others need to share the load. Herbie is a fantastic player for us but I'm not sure that he's a captain. He doesn't seem to talk to the ref enough or gather the troops in when things are going wrong. We need more vocal leaders on the field. All is not lost as the squad have the ability to turn things around. They just have to support each other and play with spirit and determination. We'll see!
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