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    Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 08:58
Just turned this match off as it will no longer be a contest and NZ will win again easily.
Why? Yet another ridiculous red card decision.
French fullback has eyes only on a high ball and jumps to catch it. However NZ player jumps higher and falls over the French fullback landing on his shoulder/head.
The only reckless act was the NZ players lack of care for his own safety in such a circumstance. Outcome, French fullback is sent off.
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Not a cricket score, and France score last, and unfortunately miss out on two other tries ( right decisions ) but so close 26 - 13 to NZ, you would not have thought that with France playing almost 60 minutes with 14 men.....should have kept watching SJ.....rugby all day can't be bad which Northern Hemisphere, if any, will get a win? I'll put my neck out there and say England will win today
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 12:17
I did turn it back on at one point to check the score. This coincided with a NZ player being yellow carded and Justin Marshall bleating on about NZ having to play 10 mins a man down. Is having a man extra part of the NZ game plan?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 13:43
Sorry Sid by letter of the law it was a red card harsh but correct. French player had no possible way of competing for the ball. IMO what the TMO should have been looking at is why the player collided for mitigation. The blocking of runners happens every week at every level of Rugby and is akin to the pushing and shoving at Wendy ball during corners nothing is done about it. There were plenty of other instance during the game of players competing for highballs without incident. Social media has been pretty scathing this week about the lack of a red card from last week where the English novice ref (Luke Pearce) Failed to relook at the incident which would probably resulted in Red. As for Justin Marshall I interpreted his comments in a totally different way.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 23:23
Rabbie,
I know all about the letter of the law etc etc....
But, in my opinion, there was no malicious intent from the French fullback and he did not deserve to be sent off.
Interpretation and perception can be unique to the individual.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2018 at 00:42
Unfortunately, with the law and advice as currently written, the ref would be severely reprimanded if he did not give that red.

You, I and many referees hold the same view of the law as Mr Bumble's - though he was just as bad as his wife.
As he says "and the worst I wish the law is,that his eye may be opened by experience--by experience." but I doubt the law makers would let people jump at them.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2018 at 10:15
Originally posted by CalderVale CalderVale wrote:

Not a cricket score, and France score last, and unfortunately miss out on two other tries ( right decisions ) but so close 26 - 13 to NZ, you would not have thought that with France playing almost 60 minutes with 14 men.....should have kept watching SJ.....rugby all day can't be bad which Northern Hemisphere, if any, will get a win? I'll put my neck out there and say England will win today
 

I've just noted your prediction CV -and have been sharpening my axe!

Any thoughts on England's performance?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Puli. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2018 at 11:54
Thought both referees in the two NZ v France tests so far were below par, whereas I thought Paul Williams, from NZ, gave an excellent performance in the AUS v Ire game yesterday.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2018 at 13:44
With respect to the French Red card, I thought it was harsh when I saw it.

I have some sympathy that Barrett has a duty to his ow pin safety and the French player only couldn't catch the ball because Barrett jumped over top of him preventing him from doing so.

Also Barret's initial contact with the ground was his hand, then his shoulder and finally his head - interpretation, maybe but I would contend a yellow would be sufficient.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve@Mose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2018 at 21:42
Certainly no intent to injure the opposition, but Fall failed to attempt an effective challenge for the ball until too late and his leap was half-hearted compared to Barrett's commitment to winning the ball.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2018 at 22:40
I agree, the French fullback did not make as committed a jump as the NZ player but also, the French player did nothing malicous and showed no intent to injure the NZ player. So, did we have a red card due to being less committed? Should the NZ player not be banned for failing to consider his own personal safety? Should we let the H&S people continue to ruin a contact sport?
If this madness carries on, we will soon see players letting the ball bounce rather than risk being penalised.
Are they going to outlaw tackling next?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2018 at 08:15
Rescinded 

Which utterly overturns current guidance.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2018 at 08:49
The ridiculous thing about the current guidelines is that they're completely outcome-based.  It doesn't seem to matter that the 'tackler' is standing on the ground waiting for the ball, if the catcher is leaping through the air with no regard for his own safety, collides with him, and lands on his head, then it's a red card.  OK, I'm over-simplifying, but it's a bit like the council being prosecuted because a reckless driver crashed into one of their lampposts.

But in a way, Fall being cleared by the panel is only going to make it worse.  Should referees follow the very clear guidance - in which case Fall gets a red card - or does this set a precedent which overrules the law book?
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Ban this dangerous jumping(often with a foot or knee raised to injure anyone nearby), one foot should be on the ground, oh and ban lifting in the lineouts whilst you're at it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Puli. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2018 at 09:39
Interesting to read that they used the term "collision" with the NZ 13 rather than obstructed/pushed by NZ 13, as my learned friend Sid James said the French player had his eyes on the ball the whole time.
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Red card rescinded, so basically we had what could have been a good close competitive game ruined by the ref.

Same goes for high tackles, some refs go by letter of law others take the tackled player slipping or ducking down into consideration.

Why not go the whole hog and play tag rugby with no tackling, golden oldies scrums etc.

By the way, I totally agree with the no-lifting in the line-out - players are so high that it doesn't take much to topple them over, often when their own lifters lose control - we might be able to have competition in line-out if you were allowed a bit of contact.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2018 at 14:22
Agree with you Raider. It was accidental no intention to harm opposition. In the Australia v Ireland game
the Aussie lad was yellow carded and we ended up with a thrillling match
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jun 2018 at 09:24
At half time today France are down by 3 try's to two, due entirely to another remarkably poor decision from the referee.
I am at a loss as to how international officials can get it so wrong considering the assistance from the TMO. This is now three weeks on the trot against France.
France playing very well though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jun 2018 at 10:21
France blown away in the 2nd half by a very good NZ display.

Could international referee's please note that NZ are a very good side and really do not need your assistance.

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Referees, administrators, World Rugby and everyone else involved in running the game are completely in awe and reverence of NZ. It's absolutely ridiculous, and was in full view here in France at the U20 World Cup. I saw NZ twice and they got the rub of the green every time, although even with that they weren't good enough to finish better than 4th. It even extends to World Rugby allowing them to perform their ridiculous posturing dance before games and much, much worse, forcing opposition sides to watch it and "respect" it.  It's becoming embarrassing and should be done away with asap.
As said above, they are a very good side and rugby nation and do not need all the advantages given to them. 
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